Dawes Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I'm sure China is not all that agreeable, though: https://www.dsca.mil/sites/default/files/mas/tecro_19-50.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I hope it goes through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 German MSM report the sale has been approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Its not over til the birds arrive. China has a lot to negotiate with and the administration is getting cold feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Don't go wobbly, Donald... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Spoiler alert: he'll go wobbly. God's gift to evangelicals is the king of backtracking; by the time the election comes around all China sanctions will be dropped and the F-16 deal will be cancelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 The F-16s will be deliverd. The M1s too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 The F-16s will be deliverd. The M1s too. I hope so, but I'll believe it when I see them there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I feel pretty confident so don't have to hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) Don't go wobbly, Donald...OTOH, he might sell them F-35 if the PRC misbehaves towards Hongkong. Edited August 21, 2019 by Markus Becker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Don't go wobbly, Donald...OTOH, he might sell them F-35 if the PRC misbehaves towards Hongkong. It could also be a comfort to other Pacific Rim nations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Cheapo version of F-16 is hardly so hot ship these days that it would actually change balance of military power. Chinese might pretend some outrage but that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Those aren't cheapo versions. Cheapo version of F-16 is hardly so hot ship these days that it would actually change balance of military power. Chinese might pretend some outrage but that's it.Not cheapo versions. Block 70/72 - newest version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Block 70 is cheapo version compared to Block 60. The modernization is relatively modest: many of the capabilities are designed so they can be upgraded to older aircraft, which Taiwan is actually doing.Of course it's still a big update compared to Ching-Kuo or F-5. Any ways, previous F-16 sale fell through so this too is far from certain. Though the need for more modern aircraft has become much more acute meanwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr King Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Don't go wobbly, Donald...OTOH, he might sell them F-35 if the PRC misbehaves towards Hongkong. As much as I like the idea of arming the Taiwanese with the latest and greatest, it doesn't take much imagination to see the Chicoms "persuading" a Taiwanese pilot to defect to Mother China with a brand new and shiny F-35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvinb1nav Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Don't go wobbly, Donald...OTOH, he might sell them F-35 if the PRC misbehaves towards Hongkong. As much as I like the idea of arming the Taiwanese with the latest and greatest, it doesn't take much imagination to see the Chicoms "persuading" a Taiwanese pilot to defect to Mother China with a brand new and shiny F-35. Yea, you can pretty much count on anything we sell them being compromised by the PRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Don't go wobbly, Donald...OTOH, he might sell them F-35 if the PRC misbehaves towards Hongkong. As much as I like the idea of arming the Taiwanese with the latest and greatest, it doesn't take much imagination to see the Chicoms "persuading" a Taiwanese pilot to defect to Mother China with a brand new and shiny F-35. Yea, you can pretty much count on anything we sell them being compromised by the PRC. I didn't want to come out and say it. I thought everyone would call it TDS. Edited August 22, 2019 by Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 Lockheed Martin advertises the Block 70 as having a structural life 50% greater than previous variants. Not sure if that includes Block 60 or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr King Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I didn't want to come out and say it. I thought everyone would call it TDS. I don't know why anyone would be operating under the impression you suffer from TDS. Spoiler alert: he'll go wobbly. God's gift to evangelicals is the king of backtracking; by the time the election comes around all China sanctions will be dropped and the F-16 deal will be cancelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 The ROCAF/Taiwanese export version should be retrofitted with the special "Norden" air-to-ground targeting system, impervious to modern jamming in various ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) If youre m wrong, its TDS. If Im right, what will you call it? Edited August 22, 2019 by Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr King Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 If youre m wrong, its TDS. If Im right, what will you call it? Dude did you even read what you posted? I don't care that you irrationally dislike Trump, I am the same way with Obama. Just own up to it. God's gift to evangelicals is the king of backtracking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) If youre m wrong, its TDS. If Im right, what will you call it? Dude did you even read what you posted? I don't care that you irrationally dislike Trump, I am the same way with Obama. Just own up to it. God's gift to evangelicals is the king of backtracking You do not need "trump derangement syndrome" to dislike Trump. BTT The F-16CD block 70 would certainly add some big capabilities to the republican chinese air force. And be more sustainable than the F-5. which can be considered vintage or classic by now. Though in the grander scheme of things the PLAAF will still just overwhelm them if they wanted to. And probably destroy most planes on the ground anyway. Edited August 22, 2019 by Panzermann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Don't go wobbly, Donald... Recent history shows that if someone's going to go wobbly, it's Taiwanese themselves. But I have hopes this time they'll mean it. Lockheed Martin advertises the Block 70 as having a structural life 50% greater than previous variants. Not sure if that includes Block 60 or not. As many warplanes have ended up staying in service far beyond their originally designed lifespan (F-15C was designed for 4000 hours IIRC, now they're pushing 10000) it has become fashionable for manufacturers to present much extended service lives, Boeing is now offering 20k hours for latest F-15 variants. Whether it actually proves useful with new technological paradigms coming up, remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Not so sure about the PRC being able to destroy most or all ROCAF fighter aircraft on the ground. In all fighter airbases on the East coast, the aircraft are stored in artificial mountain caves, while all airbases on the West coast possess extensive HAS systems. No fighter plane is left standing in the open. https://www.scramble.nl/orbats/taiwan/airforce Of course, all run- and taxiways are exposed and getting the planes in the air after a cruise and ballistic missile barrage may pose quite a challenge. Naturally this all depends on the extent of the damage, additional attack waves, UXO and the capability of the rapid runway repair crews on these bases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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