Mass Shooting

[rmgill]

8 hours ago, Josh said:

We do the same thing with cars. Most states will not allow you to operate one without insurance that you will pay for any damage you do.

Not precisely the same thing. That's operation of a vehicle on a public road. So, ok, we get concealed carry insurance for liability to carry. Yet strangely, the Biden admin went AFTER groups like USCCA didn't they? Seems like you want a solution that you can then target for destruction? A might bit inconsistent no? 

Some things to think about. 
Does liability insurance cover deliberate illegal acts? 
You're talking about requiring carrying insurance for going about in society. Ok, seems a bit like things in MZW's Freehold. If we have that requirement nationally, can then we carry firearms nationally? Will we make things more consistent? So long as I have insurance, I should then be able to buy any firearm I want right? Ditch the NFA and the other limits? 

[Stuart Galbraith]

10 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Two more developments this evening.

• The gun was apparently a gift from the father to the son.
• The father has been arrested and charged with a host of charges (in large part because of the aforementioned point).

Its a charming family.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13819865/Troubling-history-Colt-Gray-Georgia-school-shooting-suspects-family.html

I wonder if they will charge the mother as well? One can make an argument that her absence as well as her substance abuse was contributory.

[rmgill]

8 hours ago, Josh said:

Also if your solution is to arm children at school, I’m all for that. Let’s start with inner city kids.

[rmgill]

3 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

 

I wonder if they will charge the mother as well? One can make an argument that her absence as well as her substance abuse was contributory.

Quite possibly there is a Fetal Alcohol Syndrome issue at work there. It's a large component in the inner city too. 

[Skywalkre]

2 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Its a charming family.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13819865/Troubling-history-Colt-Gray-Georgia-school-shooting-suspects-family.html

I wonder if they will charge the mother as well? One can make an argument that her absence as well as her substance abuse was contributory.

I don't see how they could.  From that article it sounds like she hasn't been in the home since Dec (and can't even contact the father without an intermediary).  The father is being charged because it sounds like there were lots of red flags and yet he still went out and bought his son the rifle used.  The other example of this, up in MI where both parents were charged, was a situation where both parents were in the home and seemed to blatantly not care about all the warnings (some directly from school officials IIRC) while doing the same as the father here and making firearms accessible to their son.  Being a parent is a major responsibility and all the parents noted here failed... the father here deserves everything coming his way.

Edited September 6, 2024 by Skywalkre

[rmgill]

On 9/6/2024 at 1:29 AM, Josh said:

We do the same thing with cars. Most states will not allow you to operate one without insurance that you will pay for any damage you do.

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Liberals, you should have gun insurance!
Also Liberals, You should NOT be allowed to have gun insurance. 

https://www.apnews.com/article/new-york-financial-services-shootings-7073b8dac3494669669224231febbd93

NRA pays $2.5M after NY probe into ‘dangerous’ insurance

 

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — The National Rifle Association is banned from marketing insurance in New York for five years and will pay $2.5 million to settle an investigation into “dangerous” policies promoted to gun owners as a way to cover costs in self-defense shootings, state financial regulators said Wednesday.

The New York State Department of Financial Services announced the consent order with the powerful gun advocacy group after a three-year investigation. State regulators said the NRA violated insurance laws and regulations by acting as an insurance producer without a license by taking part in efforts to solicit and market insurance products, including the NRA’s Carry Guard program.

Carry Guard insurance was launched in 2017 and was promoted to gun-owners as needed coverage to help cover civil and criminal legal costs in the case they shot someone in self-defense. Gun-control advocates called it “murder insurance” in the belief it would encourage gun owners to shoot rather than avoid confrontations.

“The NRA violated the New York insurance law by soliciting dangerous and impermissible insurance products, including those within its Carry Guard program that purported to insure intentional acts and criminal defense costs,” department superintendent Linda Lacewell said in a prepared statement. 

The NRA is banned from marketing insurance in New York or receiving compensation in connection with any newly issued New York insurance policies for five years, even if the NRA obtains a license, under the order.

“The DFS inquiry, which began with a roar, ends with a whimper,” William A. Brewer III, counsel to the NRA, said in an email. “The consent order contains no admissions by the NRA, and no NRA member money will fund this settlement.”

From 2000 to 2018, the NRA worked with the Lockton Affinity Series of Lockton Affinity, LLC to offer insurance products to NRA members, their families and affiliated businesses in New York. The NRA received “substantial” compensation, including royalties based on insurance premiums. That means the NRA acted as an insurance producer under New York law, requiring the organization to be licensed, according to the DFS.

More than 28,000 NRA-endorsed policies were placed in New York through Lockton over those 18 years. Between April and mid-November 2017, Carry Guard was marketed and sold throughout the United States, with about 680 policies issued to New York residents. Lockton was fined $7 million in 2018, according to the DFS.

Separately, New York’s Attorney General Letitia James in August sued the NRA, seeking to put the organization out of business over claims that top executives illegally diverted tens of millions of dollars for lavish personal trips, no-show contracts for associates and other questionable expenditures.

The NRA filed its own lawsuit against James, claiming her actions against the group were motivated by her hostility toward its political advocacy. Brewer said the NRA’s claims against James, fellow Democrat Gov. Andrew Cuomo and DFS will go forward.

 

[Steven P Allen]

On 9/5/2024 at 9:29 AM, Stuart Galbraith said:

keep weapons out the hands of children that might will likely use them for ill. And if parents arent sure about their kids, then dont let them near them.

Agreed, Stu, with minor adjustment--because might is just a little loosey-goosey.  You "might" use one for ill though I do not think it at all likely 😜

[NickM]

Shooting not getting so much attention in downtown Birmingham, Alabama.  Could it be gangsta doin' gangsta shit, so it don't feed the narrative?

[Murph]

Probably not if it is gangsta on gangsta, it does not fit the Narrative.

[Mr King]

1 hour ago, Murph said:

Probably not if it is gangsta on gangsta, it does not fit the Narrative.

It's such a bunch of bullshit. They try to steer the mass shooting narrative as being majority white problem by not including the black on black violence, excusing it as "gang violence".

Then they try to steer the need for gun control narrative by saying "so many children are being killed in gun violence" but what they don't say upfront is they are including 18 and 19 year olds killed in gang violence.

All to try to manipulate the narratives into saying we have a gun problem not a sub culture problem with the goal of disarming the population as a whole, except for the armed security of the rich and those passing those laws of course.

Edited September 22, 2024 by Mr King

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, Mr King said:

It's such a bunch of bullshit. They try to steer the mass shooting narrative as being majority white problem by not including the black on black violence, excusing it as "gang violence".

Then they try to steer the need for gun control narrative by saying "so many children are being killed in gun violence" but what they don't say upfront is they are including 18 and 19 year olds killed in gang violence.

 

The CDC Wisqars Age Brackets are:
0-4
5-9

10-14

15-19

20-24

25-29, etc

 

[Skywalkre]

20 hours ago, NickM said:

Shooting not getting so much attention in downtown Birmingham, Alabama.  Could it be gangsta doin' gangsta shit, so it don't feed the narrative?

All the major national news programs I checked had it as a leading story.  It was on the front page of reddit all day yesterday.  Now sure how much more coverage it should be getting?

It may have been less prevalent on social media but two reasons for that - no kids involved and it's a weekend during football season.  Regardless, social media is cancer and folks should just  be avoiding it altogether...

[Murph]

FARK YES!

 

 

[Ivanhoe]

There is a tragically hilarious video of an Israeli missile hitting a Hez house in Lebanon, and along with the primary explosion a rocket comes firing out of the house and it streaks right into, and destroys, an adjacent house.

 

[rmgill]

7 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

There is a tragically hilarious video of an Israeli missile hitting a Hez house in Lebanon, and along with the primary explosion a rocket comes firing out of the house and it streaks right into, and destroys, an adjacent house.

 

This one it? 
 

 

[Murph]

I think I found it:

 

 

[Ivanhoe]

None of the above, here ya go;

 

[Murph]

Beautiful:  Another "fireworks" factory, those are some big roman candles...

 

 

[Murph]

Look at all of those secondary explosions!  Hope all the Hezbollah scum died hard and painfully.  No 72 virgins for you!

 

 

[Ivanhoe]

Not the best thread for this, but it is what it is;

https://x.com/Osint613/status/1897698498037879274

Active shooter at NAS Pensacola?

https://www.wkrg.com/northwest-florida/escambia-county/armed-disturbance-reported-at-corry-station-in-escambia-county-florida/

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There are “currently no signs of any victims and no signs of a shooter,” an ECSO spokesperson said. “There were two reports of three gunshots being heard, and we have no evidence of that.”

 

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Escambia County Sheriff Chip Simmons said they had swept the building and found no sign of an active shooter.

3 pops of unknown origin. Could have been an air compressor venting, a diesel truck doing its thing, who knows.

I lived near an air base with a trailer park within walking distance to the gate. The trailer park was next to some woods, and I guess the denizens would occasionally go into the woods at night and blast some beer cans. Those woods were along one of my exercise walk routes, and I was surprised to find .45 ACP cases one time. Most low-income folks go for .380 or 9x19 these days.

[NickM]

Shooting at an 'unauthorized car show' in New Mexico; it 'sounds like' Gangstas doing gangsta sh/t'.

[rmgill]

 

[Ivanhoe]

 

https://krdo.com/news/2025/03/19/watch-live-pueblo-officials-give-new-updates-for-shooting-that-injured-three-officers-2/
 

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PUEBLO, Colo. (KRDO) - Pueblo officials held a press conference, unveiling new details after a shooting Tuesday night injured three of their officers.

Pueblo Chief of Police Chris Noeller spoke to reporters as he brimmed with emotion and strong words, holding not only anger for the suspect but also for lawmakers.

Chief Noeller said the suspect who is accused of shooting three of his officers had a lengthy record, and should never have been on the street to begin with.

 

The shooter was eventually ex-parroted.

 

[NickM]

Just now, Ivanhoe said:

 

https://krdo.com/news/2025/03/19/watch-live-pueblo-officials-give-new-updates-for-shooting-that-injured-three-officers-2/
 

The shooter was eventually ex-parroted.

 

"Ex-Parroted". Took me a second to figure that out==but like I misheard 'Scarface' way back when, I presume that means they shot 'dat f/kkin' dog'.

Meanwhile, the comments section appears beset by trolls.

Edited March 23 by NickM

[Ivanhoe]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-state-university-shooting-suspect-who-phoenix-ikner
 

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The suspect who opened fire at Florida State University (FSU) in Tallahassee, Florida, on Thursday, killing two and injuring six others, was identified by law enforcement officials as the 20-year-old son of a sheriff’s deputy.

Leon County Sheriff Walter McNeil identified Phoenix Ikner as the shooter, saying, "It’s not a surprise to us that he had access to weapons."

His mother, Jessica Ikner, is a sheriff's deputy with the Leon County Sheriff's Office. She has been with the office for over 18 years and McNeil said she has done a "tremendous job" in her position. During the course of her career, authorities said she served as a school resource officer.

McNeil said Phoenix Ikner used his mother's handgun in the shooting at FSU. 

 

 

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/crime/fsu-shooting-suspect-identified-phoenix-ikner/77-e86cc677-9648-40db-9342-3cb2b640701a
 

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In January, he was quoted in an FSUNews.com article commenting on a rally on campus, which spoke out against President Donald Trump's policies and Israel's war in Gaza, among other things.

He told a reporter, “These people are usually pretty entertaining, usually not for good reasons... I think it’s a little too late, he’s [Trump] already going to be inaugurated on Jan. 20 and there’s not really much you can do unless you outright revolt, and I don’t think anyone wants that.” 

The article identifies Phoenix Ikner as a political science major.

 

 

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The shooting injured six people, who were taken to a local hospital with gunshot wounds, and killed two. Phoenix Ikner was also reportedly shot by police, and has non-life-threatening injuries. 

Police have confirmed the two victims were not FSU students.

 

The story as reported so far makes little sense.