Ivanhoe Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 7 hours ago, DB said: Attributed, I believe, to Disraeli. But, you know, it might be Mark Twain, whose fans have claimed every bon mot that wasn't already given to Einstein. How do you know the answer isn't "both?" After all, have you ever seen Disraeli and Twain at the same place at the same time?
DB Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 "All of the above" if the internet is to be believed. I almost care enough to ask for the truth from ChatGPT. How partisan do you believe https://gunviolencearchive.org to be? I suspect that conflating Defensive Gun Use statistics with the total number of homicides implies a certain bias.
Sardaukar Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 1 hour ago, DB said: "All of the above" if the internet is to be believed. I almost care enough to ask for the truth from ChatGPT. How partisan do you believe https://gunviolencearchive.org to be? I suspect that conflating Defensive Gun Use statistics with the total number of homicides implies a certain bias. It is always biased opinion. Anti-gun people will attribute *every* death by firearm as it fits their agenda. Pro-gun people do opposite. It is very difficult to be neutral in this issue, since it is even more polarized than politics (especially in USA).
DB Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 I wasn't expecting neutrality, just pondering how far in the relevant direction they might be leaning.
rmgill Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 2 hours ago, DB said: How partisan do you believe https://gunviolencearchive.org to be? I suspect that conflating Defensive Gun Use statistics with the total number of homicides implies a certain bias. More astutely, it only includes actual defensive gun uses where the firearm is fired and a police report is made. It doesn't include the instances where a person draws, or wards off a criminal and never has to shoot. That number is expected to be more accurately around 2.5 million per year. The problem I have with the left's treatment of JUST gun violence is that they patently ignore the other violence types and presume that they are a different sort of animal than any sort of gun violence. AND that defensive gun use is gun violence which they ALSO want to eradicate. But they don't want to eradicate stabbings, rapes, robberies, assaults and any other sort of homicide with other weapons. Just the ones with guns. Police shootings are included as well I suspect. On top of that you have the deliberate decriminalization of many types of crimes, like thefts, break ins, small assaults and the like and thats at the same time that you have the same crowd saying that crime is down. I'm sure measured crime is down. Easy to say when the police are discouraged from keeping accurate statistics. And sure, that happens in the GOP run south. But it's due to folks like Eldrin Bell who is NOT a GOP stalwart by any measure.
DB Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 There is no irony at all when the local marijuana retailer has an issue with local criminality. It's funny when even this industry, massive piercings and all, goes legit and falls to "the man".
rmgill Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 Oh and let's be clear. They don't really want to end gun violence. The want to ban firearms. DiFi said as much over years ago.
EchoFiveMike Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 They want to ban Actual Americans from having firearms. It comes down to this: If you remember nothing else about what I’m about to consider here, remember this: the one and only reason politicians, bureaucrats, and policemen want to take your weapons away from you is so that they can do things to you that they couldn’t do if you still had your weapons."— L. Neil Smith Until you can understand that, and all the implications thereof, there's no point in discussion. S/F...Ken M
Ivanhoe Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 16 hours ago, rmgill said: Oh and let's be clear. They don't really want to end gun violence. The want to ban firearms. DiFi said as much over years ago. Correction; they want to ban legally owned firearms by law-abiding citizens. For reasons just quoted by E5M.
sunday Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 19 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said: Correction; they want to ban legally owned firearms by law-abiding citizens. For reasons just quoted by E5M. Like in Venezuela.
BansheeOne Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 Unusual in its normalcy: No psycho seeking to go out in a blaze of infamy after killing as many innocents as possible, just a drunk with a gun. Quote US: Texas man kills neighbors in overnight rampage 2 hours ago A man armed with an AR-style rifle began shooting his neighbors after complaints that he was firing rounds in his front yard. Local police said the suspect had been drinking before the rampage, which left five dead. A Texas man killed five of his neighbors after they asked him to stop firing rounds in his yard because they were trying to sleep. The shooting in the town of Cleveland, about 45 miles (72 kilometers) north of Houston was reported late on Friday evening. San Jacinto County Sheriff, Greg Capers, said Saturday that the shooter used an AR-style rifle. Police were still looking for the 39-year-old suspect. Confrontation escalated Neighbors apparently asked the suspect just before midnight to stop firing rounds. "He had been drinking and he said, 'I'll do what I want to in my front yard,'" Capers said. The gumen allegedly then began shooting his neighbors, killing an 8-year-old and four others, inside their house. Capers said there were 10 people in the house and that no one else was injured. He said two of the victims were found on top of two surviving children. "The Honduran ladies that were laying over these children were doing it in such an effort as to protect them," Capers added. "Everyone that was shot was shot from the neck up, almost execution- style," Capers said. He said police have previously been to the suspect's home. "Deputies have come over and spoke with him about him shooting his gun in the yard," Capers said. The San Jacinto County Sheriff's Office said in a social media post that the suspect was thought to have left the county. A judge had issued a warrant for the suspect's arrest and assigned a $5 million dollar bond, it said. [...] https://www.dw.com/en/us-texas-man-kills-neighbors-in-overnight-rampage/a-65471410
rmgill Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 Who is Francisco Oropeza? https://www.newsweek.com/who-francisco-oropeza-police-hunt-texas-mass-shooting-suspect-1797527
Skywalkre Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 On 4/26/2023 at 8:47 PM, Ivanhoe said: The article says as much - that the data supports some of the argument that Rs make. It does highlight that the myth that NYC is this haven of violence isn't accurate (30 years ago? sure... but not anymore). But the article talks about far more than gun violence. It also talks about suicide... and we know the stats for that which means while the 'GOP farmers and their gun play' isn't accurate when it comes to homicides... the notion that white men in the south and flyover country are putting a gun in their mouth and pulling the trigger far more than anywhere else is absolutely accurate. This notion of reasonable gun control measures isn't just about violent crime (just as violent crime isn't all gangbangers in the hood shooting each other... that's actually a minority of it). Suicide by gun kills more than violent crime by gun... but we don't really talk about that.
BansheeOne Posted May 1, 2023 Posted May 1, 2023 Another apparent noise-related neighborhood quarrel, reportedly over some pidgeon breeders complaining about a barking dog and stuff. Quote Portugal pigeon dispute leaves four dead 19 hours ago A disagreement between four racing pigeon breeders turned deadly when one killed the others with a shotgun. A man shot three people dead before taking his own life during a quarrel among racing pigeon breeders in southern Portugal. Police said the shooting happened in the Bairro Azul neighborhood of Setubal, about 45 kilometers (28 miles) south of Lisbon. Andreia Goncalves, a police commissioner in Setubal, described the shooting as "an isolated incident" related to an unresolved issue between the men. She said the shooter used a shotgun. Portugal's RTP television station reported the fight was related to pigeon breeding, and the newspaper Publico wrote the men also disagreed over illegal vegetable gardens in the area. Portugal has restrictive gun laws, but firearms are legal for hunting. Around 80 murders have been committed in Portugal every year since 2015, according to police statistics. A fifth are committed with firearms. https://www.dw.com/en/portugal-pigeon-dispute-leaves-four-dead/a-65476645
Sardaukar Posted May 1, 2023 Posted May 1, 2023 And again: https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/05/9-shot-2-others-hurt-in-shooting-at-south-carolina-park/ 9 shot, 2 others hurt in shooting at South Carolina park This shit is frankly bit depressing.
Murph Posted May 1, 2023 Posted May 1, 2023 On 4/28/2023 at 9:14 AM, rmgill said: They asked for it, they earned it, they deserve it. No sympathy for libtard commies. I hope every single business closes in Portland.
Murph Posted May 1, 2023 Posted May 1, 2023 50 minutes ago, Sardaukar said: And again: https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/05/9-shot-2-others-hurt-in-shooting-at-south-carolina-park/ 9 shot, 2 others hurt in shooting at South Carolina park This shit is frankly bit depressing. But you will never hear much about it since it does not fit "The Narrative".
Murph Posted May 1, 2023 Posted May 1, 2023 On 4/29/2023 at 12:41 PM, BansheeOne said: Unusual in its normalcy: No psycho seeking to go out in a blaze of infamy after killing as many innocents as possible, just a drunk with a gun. https://www.dw.com/en/us-texas-man-kills-neighbors-in-overnight-rampage/a-65471410 Again, it will vanish since the guy was a Mexican National who should never have had the gun, and his victims were fellow Hispanics. It does not fit "The Narrative". No MAGA here.
R011 Posted May 1, 2023 Posted May 1, 2023 18 hours ago, Skywalkre said: The article says as much - that the data supports some of the argument that Rs make. It does highlight that the myth that NYC is this haven of violence isn't accurate (30 years ago? sure... but not anymore). Not for a big American city, but still much higher than any other first world city. The homicide rate is four times that of London, for instance.
BansheeOne Posted May 1, 2023 Posted May 1, 2023 Damn right, London shows how safe a city can be if run by Republicans!
Murph Posted May 1, 2023 Posted May 1, 2023 17 of 20 of the most violent cities are run by Democrats in the US.
Der Zeitgeist Posted May 1, 2023 Posted May 1, 2023 2 hours ago, BansheeOne said: Damn right, London shows how safe a city can be if run by Republicans!
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