Mass Shooting

[sunday]

4 hours ago, Stargrunt6 said:

You think the shooter is a christian?  You don't think she at all renounced her faith?

 

On related news, Adolf Hitler atrocities attributed to the Roman Catholic Church, as he received Baptism and Confirmation. We should consider irrelevant that Adolf's father was a freethinker.

In the same way, Goebbels and Dzerzhinski were also Catholics, Himmler was a Protestant, Lenin and Stalin were Orthodox Christians...

Of course, that is not applicable to human beings like Trotsky, Epstein or Weinstein, as there would be lots of, well-founded, accusations of Anti-Semitism.

Edited April 20, 2023 by sunday

[BansheeOne]

5 hours ago, Stargrunt6 said:

Err, there's "christian" and there's christian. And no, I'm not pulling a one true scotsman.

You have one type that is devout. Lives their life Genesis to Exodus.  Missing church is like going a week without food for them.  Prays every day, private Bible study every day as well.

Then you have CEO christians: Christmas and Easter Only.  They went through the motions because their parents made them. Otherwise in private lives,  christianity is as real as Santa Claus.

In the army of the Lord, they don't wear a uniform,  don't know their breech from muzzle, never go to drill, never picked up a field manual, may have never even sworn an oath to defend their country.

When Jesus says "you must be born again," he's referring to the 2nd group.

The first group, I can tell them about some big decision in my life and say "I'll see what God wants me to do about it (work, life decisions, etc), and they wouldn't even flinch. They'd likely offer to pray for me.

The second group would look at me like I was on bath salts, then go back to bragging about their sexual conquests, both before and after they were married,  while having their 4th or 5th drink.

Tl;dr: many who call themselves christians have disembodied ideas.

Come down to New Orleans and you'll meet the 2nd types by the bushel.  

Certainly all true. But what then is the "actual" Christian "community" which needs "solidarity" like it's some single-percentage demographic rather than the majority of the population? The ones who go to church every sunday? Just the ones who pray at home, too? Only the ones who consider themselves personally "saved" and think everyone else is going to hell?

Are those included who actually accept LGBTQWhathaveyous as members of their congregation who are a natural part of God's creation the way they are, rather than "sinners"? What about those gays, trans folks etc. who actually think of themselves as Christians? Are they part of the "perpetrator" or "victim" group? Do the victims in this case actually make the cut to be considered "true" Christians, or were they at best twice-a-year churchgoers, too?

As I have pointed out before, what I'm really getting at is all this dividing into neat little, and apparently mutually exclusive, groups for political convenience. Oh, this shooter was trans. Oh, this one mentioned the environment in his manifesto, so he was a Greenie. Oh, this one registered as a Democrat 15 years ago, the damn commie. Oh, this one was black, they kill each other all the time anyway. And gun homicides only really happen in big cities, so nothing to do with the real America. IOW, not our problem; everyone carry on.

[DKTanker]

8 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

Sunday Christians. One day a week they follow the program, the rest of the week they act like they play for the other team without remorse. 

As for educational institutions, how many students/graduates of the University of Notre Dame have ever gone to Mass?

Moreover, the Irish are not above recruiting Black Muslims for their football and basketball teams.

[Stargrunt6]

10 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

Sunday Christians. One day a week they follow the program, the rest of the week they act like they play for the other team without remorse. 

I call them "ARASC Christians," "As Real As Santa Claus."

10 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

As for educational institutions, how many students/graduates of the University of Notre Dame have ever gone to Mass?

 

Makes ya wonder.

 

There was that agreement among catholic unis to ignore the Vatican.

[Ivanhoe]

[Stargrunt6]

10 hours ago, sunday said:

On related news, Adolf Hitler atrocities attributed to the Roman Catholic Church, as he received Baptism and Confirmation. We should consider irrelevant that Adolf's father was a freethinker.

In the same way, Goebbels and Dzerzhinski were also Catholics, Himmler was a Protestant, Lenin and Stalin were Orthodox Christians...

Of course, that is not applicable to human beings like Trotsky, Epstein or Weinstein, as there would be lots of, well-founded, accusations of Anti-Semitism.

And how about those crusades?  Yet Huguenots didn't and go and Orthodox fought with the Arabs or stayed home.  But we can blame Christianity somehow I'm sure.

[DB]

Psychotic with gun.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/shooting-gastonia-singletary-basketball-garden-b2323066.html

This on the face of it seems just a bit too "Wesley Crusher, die, die, die" even for North Carolina.

[Murph]

Perhaps Christianity could take a lesson from Islam, and go back to its roots, and also threaten to go chop chop on those who insult Christianity?  Perhaps Organized Christianity is dead?

[rmgill]

3 hours ago, DB said:

Psychotic with gun.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/shooting-gastonia-singletary-basketball-garden-b2323066.html

This on the face of it seems just a bit too "Wesley Crusher, die, die, die" even for North Carolina.

Notice how race is not mentioned at all? Unlike the other shootings currently in the major news. 

[R011]

1 hour ago, Murph said:

Perhaps Christianity could take a lesson from Islam, and go back to its roots, and also threaten to go chop chop on those who insult Christianity?  Perhaps Organized Christianity is dead?

Christianity's roots were a pacifist new faith that preached submission to secular authority.  It wasn't until kings and emperors realized they could weaponize it in service to their own agrandizement that it became violent.

[R011]

3 hours ago, DB said:

Psychotic with gun.

Psychotic in illegal possession of a gun.

[Skywalkre]

1 hour ago, Murph said:

Perhaps Christianity could take a lesson from Islam, and go back to its roots, and also threaten to go chop chop on those who insult Christianity?  Perhaps Organized Christianity is dead?

Do you even put an oz of effort into thinking what you're typing before hitting submit? 

[sunday]

6 hours ago, Stargrunt6 said:

And how about those crusades?  Yet Huguenots didn't and go and Orthodox fought with the Arabs or stayed home.  But we can blame Christianity somehow I'm sure.

IV Crusade excepted, Crusades were a good thing. Self defense, and protection of pilgrims that went to the Holy Land, plus liberating from Islam other places like Spain.

[Ivanhoe]

“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult and left untried.”

G.K. Chesterton

 

 

 

 

[Murph]

16 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Do you even put an oz of effort into thinking what you're typing before hitting submit? 

Yeah

[Steven P Allen]

The Church is a hospital for sick souls, dying of sin until they are treated by the infusion of faith in the once-and-for-all sacrifice of Christ on the cross.  The Church is full of sinners, hypocrites, and every manner of fallen humanity, not because it makes them look good but because they recognize, however dimly (CEOs), that there, in Word and Sacrament, they meet The Way, The Truth, and The Life.  As Peter noted,  "To whom shall we go?  You have the Words of eternal life."

[Stargrunt6]

7 hours ago, Steven P Allen said:

The Church is a hospital for sick souls, dying of sin until they are treated by the infusion of faith in the once-and-for-all sacrifice of Christ on the cross.  The Church is full of sinners, hypocrites, and every manner of fallen humanity, not because it makes them look good but because they recognize, however dimly (CEOs), that there, in Word and Sacrament, they meet The Way, The Truth, and The Life.  As Peter noted,  "To whom shall we go?  You have the Words of eternal life."

Not merely a hospital. That's but one of it's functions.

It's also where we learn to be better Christians so that the Church may grow.

[rmgill]

On 4/20/2023 at 6:24 PM, Skywalkre said:

Do you even put an oz of effort into thinking what you're typing before hitting submit? 

Penn and Teller have specifically noted that they don't make fun of Islam for a reason. Bill Mahr has observed as much. Hitchens also observed as much. Are you as smart as Hitchens or Penn? 

[Stargrunt6]

On 4/20/2023 at 9:09 PM, Ivanhoe said:

“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult and left untried.”

G.K. Chesterton

 

 

 

 

Bravo.

I listened to a talk by a sociologist who studied why men don't go to church. Someone brought up the oft-mentioned statistic that over 50% of Christian marriages end in divorce.  I myself have heard this in church, Christian radio shows and books. 

He responded that he looked at the actual study and discovered flaws in their methods. The main one was they listed anyone who claimed a Christian denomination as a Christian.  The researchers did ask for details, and it ran anywhere from the CEO Christians that I mentioned (or less) to those who go to church every week, read their Bibles, pray, observe practices, etc.

Once you isolate the latter group, surprise, their divorce rates are much much lower. 

Here is the talk in question:

 

[Ivanhoe]

50 minutes ago, Stargrunt6 said:

Bravo.

I listened to a talk by a sociologist who studied why men don't go to church. Someone brought up the oft-mentioned statistic that over 50% of Christian marriages end in divorce.  I myself have heard this in church, Christian radio shows and books. 

He responded that he looked at the actual study and discovered flaws in their methods. The main one was they listed anyone who claimed a Christian denomination as a Christian.  The researchers did ask for details, and it ran anywhere from the CEO Christians that I mentioned (or less) to those who go to church every week, read their Bibles, pray, observe practices, etc.

Once you isolate the latter group, surprise, their divorce rates are much much lower. 

Watching it now. Amusing!

[Skywalkre]

On 4/21/2023 at 7:36 AM, Murph said:

Yeah

Right... which is why the guy who's attended church/mass for a good portion of his life is suggesting Christians "threaten to go chop chop on those who insult Christianity".  🙄

[Rick]

On 4/20/2023 at 11:13 AM, Ivanhoe said:

A large reason why men don't go to church.

[DB]

On 4/20/2023 at 11:05 PM, rmgill said:

Notice how race is not mentioned at all? Unlike the other shootings currently in the major news. 

His face is in the article. What more do you actually need?

[Murph]

6 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Right... which is why the guy who's attended church/mass for a good portion of his life is suggesting Christians "threaten to go chop chop on those who insult Christianity".  🙄

Well, if Christians acted more like Muslims, maybe lefties would be more respectful?  Just saying.  Also if Christians stopped being so woke lefty, then perhaps there would be more of them?

[rmgill]

8 hours ago, DB said:

His face is in the article. What more do you actually need?

Oh, what would I know about how this sort of thing is reported upon when there's ideological axes to grind? 

Where have I worked for the past 27 years?