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The cost benefit of making something that's illegal has a factor of what the risk is and what the benefit is. If there's a reasonable reward for it, people conduct all manner of illegal actions.

They are entrepreneurs taking a business opportunity.

 

 


 

Keep in mind that guns for criminals only need to last for 5 shots or so. Most of them aren't going to the range weekly, and as soon as its been used in a homicide or ADW, it goes in the river or landfill.

In Europe there are cases of pistols being used in murders over years, decades even. The pistols are sold on on the black market after one hit. So one pistol can be part of a several unrelated crimes across Europe.

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In the UK criminals pool guns and one pistol can be used in many crimes by many criminals. We are talking organised crime, usually around drug trafficking or dealing. We don't really have generic gang bangers here as a concept. Gang members are aware gun usage will bring a lot of unwanted attention from the authorities and just getting caught with one means a mandatory five year stay at her Majesty's pleasure.

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We've attempted to have similar legislation here. Those charges are usually the first dropped when there are multiple charges and judges won't give sentences that steep for mere possession.

 

Apparently the preferred solution is to confiscate private property from law abiding citizens.

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We've attempted to have similar legislation here. Those charges are usually the first dropped when there are multiple charges and judges won't give sentences that steep for mere possession.

 

Apparently the preferred solution is to confiscate private property from law abiding citizens.

Same here south of the Tim Horton Line. You can look at the recent case of a career criminal in Philadelphia (or other examples) where the subject has many charges for firearms possession which were not followed up on. These should be handled federally because we have a federal law (congress HAS to do something!) But no, they can't charge and convict the guy and put him away for 5 or 10 years (possession, parole violation, etc). Somehow I'm responsible for this state of affairs by way of having firearms that haven't been fired in years in my gun safe (let alone even being pointed at people).

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It's all who-whom.

 

The carnage in Chicago is almost entirely from two demographics, with one being heavily dominant. And the only non-recidivist offenders are sub-14 YO.

 

Qui Bono? Answer that, and you discover why things happen.

 

The proper tools for taking back a society like we have occurring is not some service rifle or pistol, it's a suppressed single shot. Those can be made on a bench lathe, using springs from all manner of other applications. S/F....Ken M

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We've attempted to have similar legislation here. Those charges are usually the first dropped when there are multiple charges and judges won't give sentences that steep for mere possession.

 

Apparently the preferred solution is to confiscate private property from law abiding citizens.

Same here south of the Tim Horton Line. You can look at the recent case of a career criminal in Philadelphia (or other examples) where the subject has many charges for firearms possession which were not followed up on. These should be handled federally because we have a federal law (congress HAS to do something!) But no, they can't charge and convict the guy and put him away for 5 or 10 years (possession, parole violation, etc). Somehow I'm responsible for this state of affairs by way of having firearms that haven't been fired in years in my gun safe (let alone even being pointed at people).

 

 

Yes, there have been cases in the UK (I'd have to look them up) where I'm sure the "mandatory" five years wasn't applied for some dubious mitigating circumstance. I think it mostly is though.

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No guns but citizens coming to the assistance of an officer and no confusion about good and bad guys.

 

Good Samaritans help California cop subdue homeless suspect who tried to take deputy's weapon
Travis Fedschun By Travis Fedschun | Fox News

 

Three men are being hailed as heroes after they stepped up to help a California police officer who came under attack while trying to arrest a suspect during the weekend.

 

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said the incident happened Sunday in Whittier around 3 p.m., when the 23-year-old officer was responding to a call of a homeless man creating a disturbance at a convenience store.

 

In surveillance video, the deputy can be seen moving in to arrest the man, who is acting erratically, when he starts throwing punches and the deputy loses his balance, falling to the ground.

 

In the seconds that followed, the homeless man attempted to grab the deputy's gun from the holster.

 

The deputy yelled and that caught the attention of Brian Whitney, who told FOX 11 he reacted immediately.

 

"I heard the officer yell 'Get your hand off my gun,' and as soon as I seen that I went down and ripped the homeless guy's hands of the officer's gun," Whitney said Tuesday.

 

Two other men got involved, including one who could be seen sliding the officer's weapon away from the homeless attacker. The group was eventually able to subdue the suspect until additional officers arrived and arrested the man, who was charged with assault.

 

Whitney said the officer personally thanked him afterward for helping out.

 

"I told him I wasn't even thinking," he told FOX11. "The only thing I was thinking about was your safety."

 

Authorities praised the actions of the three men, saying their efforts helped save the life of the officer.

 

“He was having a hard time with that guy, and without the help of the good Samaritans, I’m concerned about that,” Capt. Jim Tatreau, of the LACSD told CBS LA. “We’ve had some very good citizens here in La Mirada, Whittier, and Norwalk. And it just reinforces your belief in being all together.”

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/good-samaritans-california-deputy-homeless-arrest-gun

 

 

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When you regulate people rather than guns. Red Flags are going to be more common.

 

An ex-Marine said hed slaughter antifa. The FBI, using Oregons new red flag law, took his guns away https://t.co/AACZwuxmLKhttps://t.co/jQzr0dToOY

 

The task force also had the ex-Marine committed to a veterans hospital in Portland. He spent the next 20 days there.

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On the other hand...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/08/30/breaking-california-judge-overturns-gun-conviction-for-illegal-alien-in-kate-steinle-case-n2552455?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=08/31/2019&bcid=dae3728ce77132bc6f7e97e4d4477929&recip=26229299

 


California Court Overturns Gun Conviction Against Illegal Immigrant In Kate Steinle Case

 

' he unwittingly picked up the gun wrapped in a T-shirt and it fired accidentally.” '

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When you regulate people rather than guns. Red Flags are going to be more common.

 

An ex-Marine said hed slaughter antifa. The FBI, using Oregons new red flag law, took his guns away https://t.co/AACZwuxmLKhttps://t.co/jQzr0dToOY

 

 

The task force also had the ex-Marine committed to a veterans hospital in Portland. He spent the next 20 days there.

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/08/an-ex-marine-said-hed-slaughter-antifa-the-fbi-using-oregons-new-red-flag-law-took-his-guns-away.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Yes nothing inspires confidence and trust in your federal government like openly violating the 1,2,4,5,6 and 14th amendments. I do hope he takes his revenge through the tactical application of litigation lawyers and civil rights lawsuits.

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When you regulate people rather than guns. Red Flags are going to be more common.

 

An ex-Marine said hed slaughter antifa. The FBI, using Oregons new red flag law, took his guns away https://t.co/AACZwuxmLKhttps://t.co/jQzr0dToOY

 

The task force also had the ex-Marine committed to a veterans hospital in Portland. He spent the next 20 days there.

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/08/an-ex-marine-said-hed-slaughter-antifa-the-fbi-using-oregons-new-red-flag-law-took-his-guns-away.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Yes nothing inspires confidence and trust in your federal government like openly violating the 1,2,4,5,6 and 14th amendments. I do hope he takes his revenge through the tactical application of litigation lawyers and civil rights lawsuits.

 

Welcome to Obama-Deep State land, we have lost all our rights as free citizens. It is going to get worse.

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NBC is decribing the Odessa shooter as a white male in his mid-thirties. He had the rifle with him, loaded and accessible when he was pulled over by Texas DPS, so it appears he was going to do a mass murder regardless of the traffic stop.

 

They haven't named the shooter yet, which seems a bit weird. From his "gold Honda" they surely know who he is.

 

Death toll now at 7.

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Another no-gun attack with fatality, critical injuries:

https://www.westernjournal.com/afghan-asylum-seeker-arrested-deadly-knife-attack-france/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=western-journal

 

...the attacker targeted a 19-year-old man, who died at the scene, while nine others were also hurt, three very seriously.

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NBC is decribing the Odessa shooter as a white male in his mid-thirties. He had the rifle with him, loaded and accessible when he was pulled over by Texas DPS, so it appears he was going to do a mass murder regardless of the traffic stop.

 

They haven't named the shooter yet, which seems a bit weird. From his "gold Honda" they surely know who he is.

 

Death toll now at 7.

One of the dead was an old acquaintance of my wife's :-(

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