Mass Shooting

[rmgill]

If the Right keeps pointing to the Dayton shooter's leftist politics enough, I find it entirely likely that left-wing issues will become competitive as validation- and attention-providing mechanisms for prospective shooters. Just think of the novelity factor the first one with an unambigiously leftist manifesto would achieve - he would become an instant celebrity with the Right for breaking the "mass shooter = right-winger" paradigm, for starters. They would never let it drop from memory, which would again inspire countless copycats.

 

I'm pretty sure that the left keeps trying to hang EVERY shooter around the necks of the right like an albatross. This was the case going back to the Giffords shooting and the hysteria from the DNC about bullseye marks on maps when one could find the same thing on THEIR website at the exact same time.

[seahawk]

Hope Trump speaks out against antifa terrorism today and put them on the list of terror organisations.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Time Square.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig3uKb_Ks_0

[NickM]

Hope Trump speaks out against antifa terrorism today and put them on the list of terror organisations.

 

Behold a new trailer that was apparently advertised on ESPN from the fools who brought us The Purge:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lqCjai8LDo

 

https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/hunt-deplorables-blum-trump/

Edited August 8, 2019 by NickM

[Stargrunt6]

It's all a call to action.

 

https://youtu.be/TOfPwH_WcUc

[Jeff]

 

Hope Trump speaks out against antifa terrorism today and put them on the list of terror organisations.

 

Behold a new trailer that was apparently advertised on ESPN from the fools who brought us The Purge:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lqCjai8LDo

 

https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/hunt-deplorables-blum-trump/

 

 

Sure, here are my guns, my final means to protect myself. I trust you'll like me and leave me alone once I'm defenseless.

[Paul G.]

 

 

If the Right keeps pointing to the Dayton shooter's leftist politics enough, I find it entirely likely that left-wing issues will become competitive as validation- and attention-providing mechanisms for prospective shooters. Just think of the novelity factor the first one with an unambigiously leftist manifesto would achieve - he would become an instant celebrity with the Right for breaking the "mass shooter = right-winger" paradigm, for starters. They would never let it drop from memory, which would again inspire countless copycats.

 

I'm pretty sure that the left keeps trying to hang EVERY shooter around the necks of the right like an albatross. This was the case going back to the Giffords shooting and the hysteria from the DNC about bullseye marks on maps when one could find the same thing on THEIR website at the exact same time.

So do you think it was the shooters support for Elizabeth Warren' healthcare policies or his apparent hatred for women that fueled his violent actions?

[Mr King]

 

Hope Trump speaks out against antifa terrorism today and put them on the list of terror organisations.

 

Behold a new trailer that was apparently advertised on ESPN from the fools who brought us The Purge:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lqCjai8LDo

 

https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/hunt-deplorables-blum-trump/

 

 

Muh violent right wing rhetoric

 

This is the left every time news of a shooting breaks

 

[glenn239]

Why did you make me have to see that?

[Stargrunt6]

Classy af

 

https://i.redd.it/dz2nub7zt4f31.jpg

[shep854]

At least 4 killed w/ machete in Cali

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/news/story/stabbed-death-wounded-southern-california-man-crime-spree-64846366

Edited August 8, 2019 by shep854

[Stuart Galbraith]

Obviously an Englishman.

[DB]

The left is roasting him hard right now for, you know, using facts:

 

Neil deGrasse Tyson

@neiltyson

In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings.

 

On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose

 

500 to Medical errors

300 to the Flu

250 to Suicide

200 to Car Accidents

40 to Homicide via Handgun

 

Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.

11:58 AM · Aug 4, 2019·TweetDeck

https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status...297468928?s=20

 

Seriously, he's getting raked over the coals for this.

 

It's been deleted now.

There is a problem with this type of comparison - it's essentially a version of "whattaboutism". There is nothing to say that you should only pick one of these problems to look at at a time. They're all unacceptable, and society has the means to attempt to address all of them independently.

Overall, (2017 data) there would seem to have been approximately 7000 gun murders(*) in the US. This means that the Dayton and El Paso murders represent about the average murder rate for the 48 hours in question. This is not to minimise them, you understand, simply to note that statistically, they're almost lost in the noise.

 

(*) Don't mistake "murder" for "homicide" - the homicide number for 2017 was more than 17,000, but the FBI statistics include shootings that we don't generally consider to be murder - accidental shootings, justified shooting by LEOs, self defence, etc.

[rmgill]

DB, is it whattaboutism? Or is it a sanity check of what is relevant with regards to scale?

[Mr King]

Wait a minute, stats like that are tossed around by Europeans and Brits every time new "European" goes shooty stabby blowy uppy or rapey rapey in the pool touchy.

[Chris Werb]

DB, is it whattaboutism? Or is it a sanity check of what is relevant with regards to scale?

It's tricky to draw the line between the two. I remember drawing similar comparisons to heart disease, road accidents and even putting on trousers back in 1987-8 and 1996-7, but it came down to our being (correctly) perceived as a tiny minority of the population with very dangerous hobby equipment and a few loonies in our midst. We had long since reached the point where there was no positive societal role perceived for military firearms in civilian hands, despite a Prime Minister in the same century saying he would laud the say when the was a rifle in every cottage in England. As gun owners in the States you still can demonstrate positive societal roles for firearms, both current and potential, and, largely for that reason. I don't see your firearms laws getting any more restrictive, on average, anytime soon.

[BansheeOne]

Wait a minute, stats like that are tossed around by Europeans and Brits every time new "European" goes shooty stabby blowy uppy or rapey rapey in the pool touchy.

Yes! While the Right on these occasions is like

 

 

So it all evens out in the big scheme of things.

Edited August 8, 2019 by BansheeOne

[Mr King]

Nah, this is the emotive attitude of the right when you have an outbreak of peace

 

 

[Ivanhoe]

At least 4 killed w/ machete in Cali

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/news/story/stabbed-death-wounded-southern-california-man-crime-spree-64846366

 

The story there is still wildly incomplete. KTLA news is now saying the perp is a Hispanic male.

 

In the US, machete use in violent crime tends to be of the Caribbean ilk.

 

https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/nation/suspect-in-california-stabbing-rampage-is-gang-member-with-criminal/article_02521f4a-effe-5fce-b056-6005792f413d.html

 

LOS ANGELES — Authorities said the 33-year-old man accused of stabbing four people to death in a rampage across two Orange County cities is a known gang member with a criminal record dating back to 2004.

 

But detectives said they still are not sure why Zachary Castaneda allegedly went on the attack, saying that the violence appears to be random and that he didn’t know those he targeted.

 

https://time.com/5647435/stabbing-spree-in-southern-california-leaves-4-dead-and-2-hurt-heres-what-we-know-so-far/

 

Authorities said on Thursday afternoon that there is no indication this was a hate crime.

[Mr King]

[BansheeOne]

Nah, this is the emotive attitude of the right when you have an outbreak of peace

 

Now don't be daft, that's clearly Obama.

 

In the end, Europe is in no more danger from some sexually frustrated Muslims with daddy issues developing Sudden Jihad Syndrome than the US is from some sexually frustrated Xchanners with daddy issues developing Sudden Supremacy Syndrome - despite the particular media impact and the furious masturbation of the Left and Right respectively. Which is not going to help addressing the causes, either.

[sunday]

 

Nah, this is the emotive attitude of the right when you have an outbreak of peace

 

Now don't be daft, that's clearly Obama.

 

In the end, Europe is in no more danger from some sexually frustrated Muslims with daddy issues developing Sudden Jihad Syndrome than the US is from some sexually frustrated Xchanners with daddy issues developing Sudden Supremacy Syndrome - despite the particular media impact and the furious masturbation of the Left and Right respectively. Which is not going to help addressing the causes, either.

 

Disagree. Those USA nutcases do not reproduce. Islamists living in Europe, on the other hand...

[BansheeOne]

Islamists blowing themselves up don't reproduce any more than Incels going down in a blaze of infamy.

 

The whole "Muslims are outbreeding us" thing is completely overblown anyway. If that was true, Germany should have been majority Turkish years ago, yet the Turkish community is actually shrinking from the same effects as German majority society - less and less kids. More recent immigrant groups will go the same way.

 

The only fact-based examples of religious groups growing to a disproportionate share and impact on the secular state are small countries with just a couple million people like Israel. Big democratic societies like the US and EU can and have handled a couple percent higher delinquency by small political minorities if they don't allow themselves to be either ignorant or whipped into a frenzy about it. As it is, I neither see Europe turning into a caliphate nor America into a fascist-racist-mysogonist-etc. dictatorship.

[Rick]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/04/30/that-time-the-cdc-asked-about-defensive-gun-uses/#71e6a262299

From the above site: "...A 2013 study ordered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and conducted by The National Academies’Institute of Medicine and National Research Council reported that, “Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence”:Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008."

[Ivanhoe]

https://fee.org/articles/mass-shootings-arent-becoming-more-common-and-evidence-contradicts-stereotypes-about-the-shooters/