Inhapi Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I think the Tank museum used theirs (Might even be the same one) as a donations box. I thought that was pretty clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 LOL to both uses. But I still want one with a modern remote control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Jones Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I firmly believe that the Goliath caused more casualties as a go cart than it did as a weapon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhK8L0PgPdA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Is that a self propelled, remote controlled strongbox? Anyway, without the Goliath we wouldn't be able to play "find the Goliath" when visiting a military museum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inhapi Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 I think the Tank museum used theirs (Might even be the same one) as a donations box. I thought that was pretty clever. The thinking is going in the same but reverse direction, these soldiers are having pay-day, maybe it was the same Goliath that turned to the other side of the give and take divide ? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 While the Goliath wasn't terribly successful, I am wondering about the need to mock a forerunner of today's robotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTK Ciar Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Wikipedia mentions that the electric motors used by the Goliath were expensive (3000 Reichsmarks).It makes me grateful to live in an age where I can yank a much better one out of a $40 shopvac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Make a nice coffee table if you put a glass top on it. Then if you wanted to sit in a different chair, you could drive your coffee over to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 While the Goliath wasn't terribly successful, I am wondering about the need to mock a forerunner of today's robotics. I think it is the name Goliath combined with its diminutive size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin-Phillips Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Wikipedia mentions that the electric motors used by the Goliath were expensive (3000 Reichsmarks). It makes me grateful to live in an age where I can yank a much better one out of a $40 shopvac. A BBC documentary (I watched it on youtube a while back) said the original version was battery powered, with later versions having a motorbike engine. This raised the weight of the Goliath but as a benefit of the upgrade, it could also carry a heavier charge. I'd be interested to know if there was more than one version of these "vehicles"? I do believe IWM Duxford had one in their collection when I visited a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Wikipedia mentions that the electric motors used by the Goliath were expensive (3000 Reichsmarks). It makes me grateful to live in an age where I can yank a much better one out of a $40 shopvac. A BBC documentary (I watched it on youtube a while back) said the original version was battery powered, with later versions having a motorbike engine. This raised the weight of the Goliath but as a benefit of the upgrade, it could also carry a heavier charge. I'd be interested to know if there was more than one version of these "vehicles"? I do believe IWM Duxford had one in their collection when I visited a few years back. It would be striking for IWM Duxford to not have a Goliath, according to Harold Jones statistics of Goliaths in military museums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 There was a bigger version. https://i.imgur.com/NpqHEPK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/BZP62yB.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 There was a bigger version. https://i.imgur.com/NpqHEPK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/BZP62yB.jpg Remarkable museum, that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptLuke Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) I ran into a surprisingly in depth discussion of these vehicles in Sturmgeschütz: Panzer, Panzerjäger, Waffen-SS and Luftwaffe Units 1943–45 by Thomas Anderson, since Stugs were used as the control vehicles; it's mostly about the "improved" BIV (as shown in Markus's pics), but I'd imagine all the comments apply to the Goliath as well and the "Landungsträger (demolition charge carrier)" did sound like a waste of time and effort. Here are some pull quotes:Technical failures with the radio-control equipment was a constant problem, and heavy mud restricted the type’s mobility. The deployment at Kursk was to show the limitations of the B IV. The terrain, rutted by heavy artillery bombardment and intersected by trench systems, prevented the vehicles getting to their targets.The Borgward B IV Landungsträger was designed as a purely offensive weapon and was almost impossible to use for a defensive operation. despite having a very limited field of application still had to be transported to a target, squandering precious fuel and personnel resources.Even the theoretical performance had serious limitations (from Tank Warfare on the Eastern Front 1943-1945: Red Steamroller by Robert Forczyk):The Germans estimated that at least four BIVs were needed to clear a 100-metre deep lane through a minefield and that this would take two hours to complete. However, a critical flaw was that the Panzerkompanie (Fkl) had no means of marking cleared lanesBy the time of Kursk, the Soviets learned that a minefield covered by fire from concealed anti-tank guns was the best answer to the Tiger or Panther, yet the Germans never really improved their mine-clearing skills. Edited July 4, 2019 by CaptLuke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougRichards Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Wikipedia mentions that the electric motors used by the Goliath were expensive (3000 Reichsmarks). It makes me grateful to live in an age where I can yank a much better one out of a $40 shopvac. A BBC documentary (I watched it on youtube a while back) said the original version was battery powered, with later versions having a motorbike engine. This raised the weight of the Goliath but as a benefit of the upgrade, it could also carry a heavier charge. I'd be interested to know if there was more than one version of these "vehicles"? I do believe IWM Duxford had one in their collection when I visited a few years back. It would be striking for IWM Duxford to not have a Goliath, according to Harold Jones statistics of Goliaths in military museums. "Panzer DNA" lists the total price of a Goliath as being that 3,000 DM or about half the cost of a 2cm Flak 38 or four times an 8cm mortar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Did they ever use Goliath in an Urban setting? I would have thought the shorter range and firmer ground might have made it more viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Warsaw 1944? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Did they use them there? Ive never read of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Werb Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Did they use them there? Ive never read of it. According to von dem Bach himself the number of guns used in the bombardment was as follows:220 guns of various calibres1 heavy mortar Thor 610mm50 Goliath self-propelled mines1 company of Nebelwerfer 42/431 battery of Wurfgranate of various calibres (ranging from 150mm to 320mm)4 Junkers Ju 87 Stuka dive-bombers operating from the Okęcie airport[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_the_Warsaw_Uprising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Did they use them there? Ive never read of it.I didn't know. I thought that be the kind of combat where they'd be of use. von dem Bach? I had though he wad in charge of suppressing the Jewish 43 uprising, not the Polish 44. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 All hail the mighty Goliath! https://youtu.be/pmEO1pxAsZU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 I knew I hadnt imagine it was a donation tin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Best comment: Spac3Fr0gSuperheavy Tank: MausSmall Tracked Bomb: Goliath#GermanLogic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Best comment: Spac3Fr0g Superheavy Tank: MausSmall Tracked Bomb: Goliath#GermanLogic To confuse enemy intelligence services. A cunning plan that cannot fail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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