Sri Lanka Bombings

[DougRichards]

I know people who only go to Church on Easter and Christmas.

 

At least they go, there is an attachment

Edited April 24, 2019 by DougRichards

[JasonJ]

 

I know people who only go to Church on Easter and Christmas.

 

At least they go, there is an attachment

 

 

It is still possible that some non-Christians that are relatives or friends went on that day. Or its possible that there are a few people that are exploring Christianity so not necessarily Christians but thinking about it. I've been agnostic/athiests/whatchamacallit for pretty much my whole life but still have been to a church several times without on the basis of exploring or whatever.

[sunday]

 

To a goodly portion of the world, simply being 'White/Western/European' still gets you lumped in as a 'Christian'.

 

Not so along, the Western World was still known by its original name, Christianity.

 

 

Christendom, sorry.

[Stuart Galbraith]

I wonder did the impetus and technical knowhow come from a caliphate returnee - if so Europe will soon have similar

 

I dont know, but one of the bombers allegedly attended education in the UK. Completed it in Australia apparently.

[Markus Becker]

DLF Radio lead with Colombo. In fairly great detail. All the IDed perps were middle class and well educated, one even went to college in the UK and USA.

 

Noticeably absent were words like: Christians and Islam. Instead they referred to the Islamic State by it acronym as the "terror terror militia IS".

 

Indeed quite the contrast to Christchurch.

[WRW]

all the bombers that I have seen videos of seem to be using the same back pack - cannot be too many suppliers of the brand _ I wonder how may were bought in one batch?

 

8 accounted for I am assuming

[BansheeOne]

Do you ever get tired of being an obedient German? Tell me besides for the tone, language, and specificity, what else is different between Hillary's two tweets.

 

The fact that she is a member of one of the attacked groups, and therefore doesn't need to express solidarity with it, and doesn't need to take responsibility for distancing herself from extremists within the other?

 

BTW, the editor's headlines to both tweets betray their own bias - the Christchurch attacker is just a generic "sociopath", while the Sri Lanka bombers are "Muslim extremists". Both descriptions are factual correct, they just don't serve to highlight a perceived bias in Clinton's words, which are also. I certainly never get tired of forming my opinion without such helpful editorial pointers.

 

Why not "tourists and Christians"? 'Easter Worshipers' is fewer characters than 'Christians'?

 

You mean none of the tourists struck outside the churches were Christians? I'm sure that would offend somebody measuring words with the same fine calipers, too. In fact I can easily imagine some people accusing Obama and Clinton (and I agree both are just glorified pundits at this point BTW) of belittling the magnitude of the attacks by failing to point out the victims were hit not just for being Christians, but while worshipping for Christianity's holiest of holidays.

 

Now if they had used the term "Easter bunny worshippers", I could see the point.

 

 

After Christchurch there was a rampant move to clamp down on all manner of things. What's the response here? Was the NZ response silly?

 

In fact Sri Lanka blocked social networks after the attacks in the name of preventing the spread of hate speech and fake news, to mixed reactions in the West. I've seen a "Spiegel" editor for net affairs criticize it, as she has the current move of the EU to have providers delete what is deemed terror propaganda by security services within an hour after notification by same (not to be confused with the drama about the recent copyright reform). In a display of actual double standards, the same author was distinctly subdued with criticism of NZ prime minister Jacinda Ardern proposing something very similar after the Christchurch attacks just today.

 

Ms. Ardern has of course been a textbook example of such double standards by certain media, whose authors fell all over a colleague who dared asking her whether she planned to have children while in office at her inaugural press conference, then celebrated it as some kind of achievement when she did. I don't think anybody denies that this kind of ideological bias exists.

 

For general reference: Three days after the Sri Lanka bombings, they have now generally vanished from the front pages of German media. I currently lack the time to run a deep search for comparison with coverage on Christchurch.

[Mr King]

 

Do you ever get tired of being an obedient German? Tell me besides for the tone, language, and specificity, what else is different between Hillary's two tweets.

 

The fact that she is a member of one of the attacked groups, and therefore doesn't need to express solidarity with it, and doesn't need to take responsibility for distancing herself from extremists within the other?

 

BTW, the editor's headlines to both tweets betray their own bias - the Christchurch attacker is just a generic "sociopath", while the Sri Lanka bombers are "Muslim extremists". Both descriptions are factual correct, they just don't serve to highlight a perceived bias in Clinton's words, which are also. I certainly never get tired of forming my opinion without such helpful editorial pointers.

 

 

 

 

Yes, when people think of Hillary Clinton, they think "Easter Worshiper". Well now they do at least.

 

You're right the editors bias is glaring. The Christchurch terrorist was not a lone wolf sociopath. He was acting on the behalf of the terrorist hacker known as 4chan. Thank god his manifesto is not out there for us to glean information and motives from. And the Sri Lanka bombers were not Muslim extremists with ties to ISIS, and likely acting as an ISIS terror cell, they were just lone wolves who lost their way. The editors choice of words were obviously silent dog whistles of bias against Mrs Clinton and the bombers, thankfully they were whistles you could hear.

[Jeff]

DLF Radio lead with Colombo. In fairly great detail. All the IDed perps were middle class and well educated, one even went to college in the UK and USA.

 

Noticeably absent were words like: Christians and Islam. Instead they referred to the Islamic State by it acronym as the "terror terror militia IS".

 

Indeed quite the contrast to Christchurch.

 

The usual refrain is that Islamic terror is because the hopelessness and lack of education in the region breeds terrorists and yet again and again we find they tend to come from the educated middle and upper classes.

[rmgill]

You mean none of the tourists struck outside the churches were Christians? I'm sure that would offend somebody measuring words with the same fine calipers, too.

Were the locations known for being frequented by westerners? OR Christians?

 

We sent bombers from England to Libya because someone decided to set off a bomb in a location in Germany known to be frequented by Americans. That was a SINGLE location with a singular objective that was clear. How many locations and of what sorts were attacked in Sri Lanka?

 

From where I sit, the pattern appears to be mainly focused on Christians and their associates. Is that an incorrect appraisal of the objective of the Islamists?

 

In fact I can easily imagine some people accusing Obama and Clinton (and I agree both are just glorified pundits at this point BTW) of belittling the magnitude of the attacks by failing to point out the victims were hit not just for being Christians, but while worshipping for Christianity's holiest of holidays.

In isolation, sure, but after the DNC closed ranks in behind Rep Omar after her anti-semitic remarks and made it about "generalized hatred and racism" it's clear that they have a problem calling out certain groups. They fine calling out white supremacists specifically. But Radical Muslims...Nope. It's just generic terms more often than not.

 

Banshee, remember, where do I work? Who have I interacted with from time to time for 23 years?

 

 

In fact Sri Lanka blocked social networks after the attacks in the name of preventing the spread of hate speech and fake news, to mixed reactions in the West. I've seen a "Spiegel" editor for net affairs criticize it, as she has the current move of the EU to have providers delete what is deemed terror propaganda by security services within an hour after notification by same (not to be confused with the drama about the recent copyright reform). In a display of actual double standards, the same author was distinctly subdued with criticism of NZ prime minister Jacinda Ardern proposing something very similar after the Christchurch attacks just today.

Did they ban Islamists websites?

Edited April 25, 2019 by rmgill

[Chris Werb]

Given their governments treatment of the Tamil minority (herding civilians into artillery impact areas for example), I wouldn't want to be a Muslim in Sri Lanka right now.

[Markus Becker]

Given their governments treatment of the Tamil minority (herding civilians into artillery impact areas for example), I wouldn't want to be a Muslim in Sri Lanka right now.

It's indeed a bad time. According to the MSM there is backslash by Hindus and Christians against the Muslim community. And yes, this time they managed to name perps and vics correctly.

 

To their credit the Muslim community allegedly warned the authorities about the radical preacher whose group is responsible for the attacks.

Edited April 25, 2019 by Markus Becker

[Murph]

You never see Christians bombing mosques. So why is it the Press gives the Religion of Peace a constant pass on things.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

Given their governments treatment of the Tamil minority (herding civilians into artillery impact areas for example), I wouldn't want to be a Muslim in Sri Lanka right now.

It's indeed a bad time. According to the MSM there is backslash by Hindus and Christians against the Muslim community. And yes, this time they managed to name perps and vics correctly.

 

To their credit the Muslim community allegedly warned the authorities about the radical preacher whose group is responsible for the attacks.

 

 

Yes, ive heard that too. A point that seems to being ignored.

 

The failure here wasnt the Muslim community. It was the Sri Lankan authorities ignoring every warning that came their way.

[sunday]

 

 

Given their governments treatment of the Tamil minority (herding civilians into artillery impact areas for example), I wouldn't want to be a Muslim in Sri Lanka right now.

It's indeed a bad time. According to the MSM there is backslash by Hindus and Christians against the Muslim community. And yes, this time they managed to name perps and vics correctly.

 

To their credit the Muslim community allegedly warned the authorities about the radical preacher whose group is responsible for the attacks.

 

 

Yes, ive heard that too. A point that seems to being ignored.

 

The failure here wasnt the Muslim community. It was the Sri Lankan authorities ignoring every warning that came their way.

 

 

Stuart, I am sure it was not your intention, but similar wording and reasoning has been used here in Barcelona to deflect blame from ETA terrorists when the later declared that they had warned police to evacuate some department store they had put a bomb in, back in the 1980s. Probably the authorities' response was not perfect, but the ones putting the bomb were the terrorists, not the authorities.

 

I say again, I am very sure you are against terrorism, and I state that I do not want for anyone to harbor any thought that could point otherwise. As I am writing in a language that is not my mother tongue, let me explicit that there is not any attempt to sarcasm/irony whatsoever. This, the good name of a fellow forum member, is a very sensible matter, so my apologies for putting here this long explanation.

[Markus Becker]

You never see Christians bombing mosques. So why is it the Press gives the Religion of Peace a constant pass on things.

In light of recent events I say such attacks happen orders of magnitude less than the reverse.

 

 

The cops tried to arrest the gang leader, who is(or was) really rich. His wife detonated a suicide vest killing three cops, her three little kids and her unborn.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

 

Given their governments treatment of the Tamil minority (herding civilians into artillery impact areas for example), I wouldn't want to be a Muslim in Sri Lanka right now.

It's indeed a bad time. According to the MSM there is backslash by Hindus and Christians against the Muslim community. And yes, this time they managed to name perps and vics correctly.

 

To their credit the Muslim community allegedly warned the authorities about the radical preacher whose group is responsible for the attacks.

 

 

Yes, ive heard that too. A point that seems to being ignored.

 

The failure here wasnt the Muslim community. It was the Sri Lankan authorities ignoring every warning that came their way.

 

 

Stuart, I am sure it was not your intention, but similar wording and reasoning has been used here in Barcelona to deflect blame from ETA terrorists when the later declared that they had warned police to evacuate some department store they had put a bomb in, back in the 1980s. Probably the authorities' response was not perfect, but the ones putting the bomb were the terrorists, not the authorities.

 

I say again, I am very sure you are against terrorism, and I state that I do not want for anyone to harbor any thought that could point otherwise. As I am writing in a language that is not my mother tongue, let me explicit that there is not any attempt to sarcasm/irony whatsoever. This, the good name of a fellow forum member, is a very sensible matter, so my apologies for putting here this long explanation.

 

 

 

Im not blaming the authorities for the bombing. Im merely suggesting that that there appears to have been more than good enough evidence to have prevented it. Of course you are completely right, the primary responsibility lies with the terrorists, and it was artless phrasing on my part if I suggested otherwise, and I thank you for pointing it out.

[sunday]

Thank you for your gentlemanly politeness, Stuart.

[WRW]

From what I have been seeing on TV - the focus (blame) is now on the security lapse rather than the attack - it would not have happened if security was ok ergo security is at fault

 

does any one know how detailed the early warnings were

bad boys going to do bad things

specific bad boys doing specific bad things in specific places

 

from what I read/saw some of the perpetrators had a reputation for decapitating statues and hate speech - not direct attack

 

radicalisation withing a year or two seems to be the way of things but also I think an outside push and maybe even a bomb maker

[Stargrunt6]

 

 

 

Buddhism as another religion of peace?

Depending on region. Here in Russia, for centuries Kalmyks (nomads and Buddists) were keeping Chechens (Muslims highlanders with reputation of born fighters) in fear and in mountains, and even now Chechens are afraid do misbehave while in Kalmykia. Couple of years ago young Chechen mixfighter somehow mistreated Budda image in Kalmykia - as result he was forces to run for his life.

 

 

At least Christianity disowns and condemns those who claim to act in its name.

Were Crusades condemned?

Ask protestants and the orthodox.

[Jeff]

According to the sister of the two wealthy brothers who took part in the attack, they were fine until they went overseas to Australia and then came back rather unhinged Islamists.

 

Sri Lanka bomber ‘radicalised in Australia’, says sister

[Mr King]

Well good thing Australia banned 4chan.

[urbanoid]

Well good thing Australia banned 4chan.

 

[WRW]

 

You never see Christians bombing mosques. So why is it the Press gives the Religion of Peace a constant pass on things.

In light of recent events I say such attacks happen orders of magnitude less than the reverse.

 

 

The cops tried to arrest the gang leader, who is(or was) really rich. His wife detonated a suicide vest killing three cops, her three little kids and her unborn.

 

I unfortunately have come across this level of fanaticism and hatred up close - it takes getting used to - if that is at all possible. To counter it needs a lot of time patience and a good knowledge of the religion plus a willingness to accept somethings cannot be changed so there fore a supply of 9mm

[WRW]

cannot find the link but I saw that SL SF have been raiding and may have found the bomb making site. Some self inflicted casualties on opposition side

 

found it

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6964127/Explosion-Sri-Lanka-soldiers-engage-shoot-search-linked-Easter-Sunday.html

Edited April 26, 2019 by WRW