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IDF recently unveiled the Namer ARV it intends to bring to service. Production will run until 2022, and will deliver to all active armored brigades (total of 3 plus one instructional).

 

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As with any thing Merkava, it is backwards. ^_^

 

 

 

Good they now have an ARV with a crane, but the placement on top of the hull kills the view for the driver and TC. Bergepanzer 2 and 3 have the crane fit flush so the TC has a good view all around. So does the russian BREM-1 and others. I guess they did not want to change too much from the base Namer?

 

 

And well a production run of four vehicles is not much. I assume they are to be assigend to brigade level recovery unit?

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As with any thing Merkava, it is backwards. ^_^

 

 

 

Good they now have an ARV with a crane, but the placement on top of the hull kills the view for the driver and TC. Bergepanzer 2 and 3 have the crane fit flush so the TC has a good view all around. So does the russian BREM-1 and others. I guess they did not want to change too much from the base Namer?

 

 

And well a production run of four vehicles is not much. I assume they are to be assigend to brigade level recovery unit?

Not four vehicles, but four brigades. One the training brigade the other three active service, regular brigades. The number of vehicles per brigade will be more than one

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Not four vehicles, but four brigades. One the training brigade the other three active service, regular brigades. The number of vehicles per brigade will be more than one

 

 

Ah misread that. :blush:

 

So anyone got a number?

 

to all active armored brigades (total of 3 plus one instructional).

So, 4 per brigade = 12 + 4 = 16.

 

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As with any thing Merkava, it is backwards. ^_^

 

 

 

Good they now have an ARV with a crane, but the placement on top of the hull kills the view for the driver and TC. Bergepanzer 2 and 3 have the crane fit flush so the TC has a good view all around. So does the russian BREM-1 and others. I guess they did not want to change too much from the base Namer?

 

 

And well a production run of four vehicles is not much. I assume they are to be assigend to brigade level recovery unit?

It's not exactly sitting on the hull, but "floating" above it, so the driver and commander still have a good view.

 

In the driver's case, it's directly above him, so it doesnt block his view at all.

 

The commander's view can be somewhat blocked if the vehicle is on some side slope.

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IDF signed a contract worth $125 million to buy new howitzers from Elbit.

 

http://ir.elbitsystems.com/node/16041/pdf

 

HAIFA, Israel, March 27, 2019 -- Elbit Systems Ltd. announced today that it was awarded an approximately $125 million (NIS 460 million) contract from the Israeli Ministry of Defense ("IMOD") to supply fully automatic self-propelled howitzer gun systems to the Israeli Defense Forces ("IDF"). The contract, which also includes the supply of training simulators, will be performed over a 12-year period.

The IMOD and Elbit Systems intend that further part of the automatic howitzer gun systems program, under an additional contract to the Company in an amount that is expected to be material, will be performed by various U.S. companies including Elbit Systems of America, LLC, subject to completion of the receipt of applicable governmental approvals for the U.S. content.

The new automatic howitzer gun system is based on know-how and experience the Company accumulated over decades of supplying artillery systems to numerous armed forces. The new howitzer gun system is capable of automatic loading and laying. According to the applicable mission, the new gun system automatically selects the required projectile, propellant and fuze, loads them and lays the gun to optimally engage targets. The new howitzer gun system will enhance the effectiveness of the artillery formation of the IDF while reducing the number soldiers in each platform and significantly reduce life-cycle costs.

Bezhalel (Butzi) Machlis, President and CEO of Elbit Systems, commented: "We are proud to take part in building the future artillery formation of the IDF. This contract award is a vote of confidence in Israeli defense technology and an acknowledgment of the international leadership of Elbit Systems in the area of artillery systems. We believe that effective integration of precision, rapidity and autonomy together with a built-in connectivity to the communication and command & control systems will become the required standard. We are witnessing a growing need for advanced and reliable artillery systems that enable powerful and efficient operation in all combat configurations."

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Like DONAR.

Sort of. But Donar is a German weapons system and thus would probably be politically problematic.

 

I can already imagine it being used to bomb some Syrian warehouse or a Hamas outpost, and half the German media would go "reeeeeeeee!" at us, as if they've never seen war. Even though they're in NATO smh.

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Yes but conceptually similar. Basically fully automated ammunition handling and laying with very limited manual back up capability.

Yep. I dont know how Donar gives the option of manual backup, since I've never seen it loading. But it's not going to be Archer-tier lack of manual backup.

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Some news:


  1. 188th brigade has been selected to receive the new Merkava 4 Barack MBTs, starting 2021.
  2. The 401st brigade is currently receiving new Merkava 4M tanks with an unspecified improved FCS.
  3. The 847th brigade completed the transition of one battalion and is in the process of transitioning the remaining 2 battalions to the Merkava 4 (without Trophy).
  4. The 434th brigade has received new BMS for all its tanks.
  5. Development of the Merkava 4 Barack is said to be in full swing.
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I guess the old Merks are being reroled.

No guessing needed. The IDF produces ~30 tanks per year. Exactly enough for a battalion plus spares and experimentation.

 

Ever since it filled up all armored units with the required tanks and set the needed amount of brigades, it has been decommissioning tanks at a rate of 30 tanks per year as well.

 

Every year, one active forces' battalion gets new tanks and transfers its old tanks to a reserve battalion, whose former tanks are put out of service or repurposed.

 

At this rate the IDF also manages to fully replace the oldest tanks when they're only a few years short of 40. That's the amount of time any MBT is expected to serve, with upgrades, after it's produced, and it gives some time to account for possible delays that would last several years.

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New video showing the Carmel vehicles:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Gz7NnB83k

 

Just a little background before we dive in:

MoD has allocated a 100 million NIS budget (or currently 28 million USD) to each of the three contestants, to create a cockpit for the crew of the next generation AFV, with all the required sensors attached in a feasibility test setup.

 

The program was scheduled to end by the 2nd half of this year, and the release of this video shows that the program is indeed concluded. All vehicles are named Carmel, after the program.

 

The next phase in the broader Kaliyah program is a study by the army, of all demonstrations, and conclude which cockpit design suits them best.

 

All 3 contestants, IAI, Rafael, and Elbit, have installed their add-on kits on government-furnished M113 vehicles, and demonstrated to the IDF in a series of tests, the capabilities of each vehicle.

 

Each cockpit design is to house 2 basic crewmembers that are a vehicle commander and driver, albeit the naming is still problematic because manual driving is only optional. A third crewmember can enter the vehicle, but he is not essential to its operation. The 3rd crewmember is a framework commander (anything from platoon up to battalion or higher), and his input is mostly the commanding of his framework via the communications, BMS, and sensory network on board the vehicle.

 

 

 

Each contestant gets approximately 1 minute in the video, and we can see in the following order; IAI, Rafael, and Elbit.

 

Each company offered a unique concept at the core of the demonstration.

 

IAI offers a combination of a semi-panoramic widescreen setup and personal screens.

 

Rafael offers a similar combination of semi-panoramic setup plus personal screens, but the attention is given more to interaction with the panoramic setup and less to the personal screens, but one which is highly interactive

 

Elbit offers a helmet-mounted solution, with assistive personal screens that are higher in numbers but more purpose-made. Additionally each crewman gets a quasi-panoramic widescreen setup on top of a helmet mounted vision system.

 

 

Each company has a key advantage here, albeit some are more advantegous than others.

 

IAI has by far the most experience in the field of autonomous systems and robotics. Elbit is also making autonomous drones but is still behind IAI.

 

Rafael has the BNET secured network to power all its communications plus the FireWeaver next gen BMS.

 

And Elbit, well it has put the most time in its system. It has been developing the Iron Vision for a long time and it's slated to enter service in 2021 on the Merkavas, and 2020-2021 on the Eitan and Namer.

Elbit also has the advantage of past work on active camouflage.

 

Both Rafael and Elbit are already producing turrets, although these are unlikely to be real advantages in this competition.

 

 

All offers must include long and short range multi-spectral vision, a fully autonomous driving capability, at least semi-autonomous firing capability, and serious sensor fusion tech to permit the operation of the vehicle by 2 men, regardless of the vehicle's class. Even an MBT. All designs are heavily AI-assisted.

 

Additional aspects of the program that are not really part of the Carmel are a hybrid/electric drive, active camouflage, and AI-driven sensors.

 

Elbit - internal:

 

https://www.israeldefense.co.il/sites/default/files/styles/full_article_image/public/_Uploads/dbsArticles/%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%91%D7%99%D7%98%20%D7%9E%D7%91%D7%A4%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%9D.jpg?itok=0lPIySuw

 

Elbit - external:

 

https://www.israeldefense.co.il/sites/default/files/images/%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%91%D7%99%D7%98%20%D7%9E%D7%91%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A5.jpg

 

Rafael - internal:

 

https://www.israeldefense.co.il/sites/default/files/images/%D7%A8%D7%A4%D7%90%D7%9C%20%D7%9E%D7%91%D7%A4%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%9D.jpg

 

Rafael - external:

 

https://www.israeldefense.co.il/sites/default/files/images/%D7%A8%D7%A4%D7%90%D7%9C%20%D7%9E%D7%91%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A5.jpg

 

IAI - internal:

 

https://www.israeldefense.co.il/sites/default/files/images/%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%90%20%D7%9E%D7%91%D7%A4%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%9D.jpg

 

IAI - external:

 

https://www.israeldefense.co.il/sites/default/files/images/%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%90%20%D7%9E%D7%91%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A5_2.jpg

 

More reading material:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/defense-ministry-unveils-3-prototypes-for-israels-tanks-of-the-future/

 

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5563588,00.html

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More on Rafael's solution. They emphasize ergonomics. They claim near-autonomy (versus IAI's optional full autonomy) albeit without explaining whether they mean a full one is optional, but explain that the crew's efficiency grows substantially because of their unique focus on ergonomics and UI on all platforms, plus unprecedented levels of sensor fusion.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OPn7hH7OpS4

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More on Elbit's solution. They emphasize a fully autonomous driving and a utilization of a helmet-based display over a screen-based one.

Unlike Rafael's concept of shared controls and interface, Elbit goes for independent controls and interface, both with helmets and with screens.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jC65XsVnDjM

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