Last Season Of Pubes And Dragons (Aka Game Of Thrones)

[rmgill]

Arya teleporting? Of course she put on a white walker face, and slipped by.

 

I put that down to her growing up in the castle and knowing a number of ways into the gods wood over the walls, through windows, and over roofs where she needed to get to. She knew the plan was to get the Night King into the Gods Wood.

[rmgill]

[Yama]

 

Everything I've read makes me glad I decided against paying for HBO's streaming service just to watch this final season.

Visually it's very good, and the bewbs are back this season, but the characters are becoming increasingly annoying and the plot is kinda shallow. It's probably best to just disengage your brain and enjoy all the pretty CGI.

 

On average it has been better than S6 or S7, but compression is again hurting it bigtime. Hooks and storylines are resolved too quick and in underwhelming fashion. I don't understand why they are rushing the last 2 seasons so much after wasting tons of time with boring crap like Sand Snakes. All this would have been better just couple of more episodes to stretch things out. Like now, Jaime met Daenerys. Something which has been intriguing since very beginning, and now they just resolved it with bit of talking. Ditto with Jaime and Bran.

Sure thing this fight should have been 2 episodes. They could have ended it in a cliffhanger to a scene where Jon is running to meet Night King only to meet his fresh army. It would have been great. Then do rest of the battle complete with mini-boss battles etc in next episode.

Yeah the battle plan was straight from Hollywood school of military idiocy. OTOH it's not like Night King's tactics made much sense either, if you think about it.

 

I really expected more characters to die here. There is 3 episodes left and nearly all personal storylines have been resolved, what are they saving there characters for anymore? Big disappointment was, WHERE WERE MINI-BOSS BATTLES??? They have designed each White Walker as an individual, and estabilished them as deadly fighters. They made a point how the elite fighters had Valyrian blades. I was really expecting to see one or more of the big name fighters to have a go at them - Grey Worm, Jaime, Berick or Hound. It would have been great. You could even afford hero to die (I mean, Grey Worm already got his 'fateful dreaming' moment with Missandei). But instead the heroes just whacked away faceless zombies in equally faceless fashion. It was so BORING.

Ending was of course straight from Tolkien. It was ripoff from Pelennor Field. If you remember, Tolkien teased bigtime with a battle between Witch King and Gandalf. Instead, decisive blow was when a hobbit stabbed Witch King from behind. It was so great because no one was counting it to happen. Sauron sure as hell was not. It was same thing here. Everyone was pretty much ignoring Arya as a factor. But really, if your game plan is to assassinate enemy leader, perhaps you could use, oh I don't know, an ASSASSIN? What a crazy idea!

Edited May 5, 2019 by Yama

[rmgill]

Anyone think that perhaps Dany needs to have an observer when she flies?

[Soren Ras]

At this point it seems like Benioff and Weiss are getting all their tactical plotting from an eight-year old high on sugar. "Wouldn't it be cool if...!!!!11!!"

 

 

How the fcuk do you use a fleet of sailing ships to ambush a flying dragon?
And Nazi Germany called - the FLAK people want to know how you achieve three hits with three missiles using only mark I eyeball from a moving platform.

If they had managed to kill a dragon by using the scorpions on the battlements in front of King's Landing during the brief exchange of surrender demands, that could at least have been made to work more plausibly. (You add a bit of dialogue about the devices having been pre-ranged and possibly Qyburn cautioning that they would need a bit of luck on their side as well as a bit of foolhardiness and overconfidence on Daenerys' side to place her dragons in range, at which point Cersei decides to roll the dice and get lucky. That way the reply from Cersei could have a single massive volley from all scorpions against one stationary, sitting dragon that happened to be in range. It would have been reasonable for one of them to hit the head with a lucky shot.

(If they had camouflaged the scorpions so they were not immediately obvious, even better). That way, that scene would have been improved emotionally as well.

 

 

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Soren

[sunday]

Anyone think that perhaps Dany needs to have an observer when she flies?

 

Show writers do need some observers to check the script. 4-year olds will do.

[rmgill]

*sigh*

 

the series needs a better military consultant.

Edited May 6, 2019 by rmgill

[DougRichards]

*sigh*

 

the series needs a better military consultant.

I have not watched an episode, but the moment that I saw a still of the lead characters going into battle without helmets, I though: "what the hell."

 

In one of the conquisador's battles with the Aztecs, the only Spanish casualty was a guy who stupidly did not wear his helmet. He was hit by a rock. It isn't rock-et science, in pre gunpowder warfare where any projectile can hurt you, wear a frigging helmet!

 

Which leads to something else? Perhaps Tony Stark (yes, Ferrous Man) man have descended from the Starks in this series. It would be a nice tie-in,

Edited May 6, 2019 by DougRichards

[Harold Jones]

Mostly they leave the helmets off so we can so who is who. Also, complaining that hitting a flying DRAGON from a boat is somehow unrealistic seems to be a bit of a reach.

[MiloMorai]

Did you know there was Starbucks coffee back then? https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/game-of-thrones-starbucks-cup_n_5ccfeb7fe4b04e275d4ca2da

[Soren Ras]

Mostly they leave the helmets off so we can so who is who. Also, complaining that hitting a flying DRAGON from a boat is somehow unrealistic seems to be a bit of a reach.

Internal consistency is a basic requirement for the willing suspension of disbelief, especially in fantasy fiction.

 

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Soren

[Soren Ras]

Did you know there was Starbucks coffee back then? https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/game-of-thrones-starbucks-cup_n_5ccfeb7fe4b04e275d4ca2da

Heh

 

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Soren

[Burncycle360]

 

Plot armor is no match for scripted demise, poor guy is probably typecast now and can't explore the extent of his acting range...

I don't suppose they laid some dragon eggs someplace for potential future spinoffs...

 

[Harold Jones]

 

Mostly they leave the helmets off so we can so who is who. Also, complaining that hitting a flying DRAGON from a boat is somehow unrealistic seems to be a bit of a reach.

Internal consistency is a basic requirement for the willing suspension of disbelief, especially in fantasy fiction.

 

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Soren

 

Fair point.

[Ivanhoe]

There is a question that's been bothering me for several seasons now. It was proven that Valerian steel could kill white walkers. And Valeria was the home of the Targareans, implying dragons were involved; using dragon's breath in the smelting or alloying process, I assume.

 

So with Dani having two workable dragons at the beginning of the end phase, why didn't someone figure out how to make more Valerian steel with the two pyreptiles? Steel has to be better in pitched battles than obsidian.

[Skywalkre]

All three of the GoT subreddits are basically reading like r/freefolk today.

[TonyE]

There is a question that's been bothering me for several seasons now. It was proven that Valerian steel could kill white walkers. And Valeria was the home of the Targareans, implying dragons were involved; using dragon's breath in the smelting or alloying process, I assume.

 

So with Dani having two workable dragons at the beginning of the end phase, why didn't someone figure out how to make more Valerian steel with the two pyreptiles? Steel has to be better in pitched battles than obsidian.

 

Basically it is intended to be a sort of lost knowledge which nobody knows or remembers how to do anymore, the few existing valyrian steel blades are the cherished relics of that long lost art.

[sunday]

All three of the GoT subreddits are basically reading like r/freefolk today.

 

[rmgill]

Given that they can take the steel and split a single great sword up into two smaller bastard swords, it would indicate that it's not the forging process, but the metallurgy itself. Not too hard a stretch to say that perhaps some chromium or nickel content were the logical reason why the steel is so much more resilient. Look at basic iron and iron steel vs meteoric iron which can have a composition with nickel and cobalt as part of the content. But the Valyrian Steel secret sauce could also be "magic" used to make the steel itself.

[Mr King]

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[Ivanhoe]

[TonyE]

While the net is frothing and full of anger over episode 3, Matt Easton of Scholagladiatoria plays the devils advocate and reviews the battle from a different perspective than everyone else:

[Adam_S]

Pop quiz. You are the commander of Kingslanding. You have a large army and sufficient big crossbow things to provide considerable anti-dragon firepower. The leader of the enemy forces is standing in front of your fortress with maybe 100 men tops. Do you:

 

A: Sally forth from the fortress and try to kill her and her dragons

 

B: Wait for her army to show up and massacre all of you

[rmgill]

Yeah that was paper thin. Would have made more sense for a plot line like this:

 

 

Dany and the force arrive near DragonStone in the night.

 

There's a naval engagement, some key people are captured, and much of Euron's fleet is destroyed, but some get away with the key captive.

 

Dany and the force land, send emissaries to the Red Keep under a flag of truce. At THAT meeting, one of the dragons is killed in a fit of treachery by Cersei along with the key advisor who was captured earlier.

[Ivanhoe]

Pop quiz. You are the commander of Kingslanding. You have a large army and sufficient big crossbow things to provide considerable anti-dragon firepower. The leader of the enemy forces is standing in front of your fortress with maybe 100 men tops. Do you:

 

A: Sally forth from the fortress and try to kill her and her dragons

 

B: Wait for her army to show up and massacre all of you

 

C: Murder someone of zero military and political value, then shelter in place waiting for lots of angry opponents to show up.