Roman Alymov Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 US&Co best practices spreading (as i predicted long ago), but probably it is the first time targets on nuclear power territory hit by another (and not exactly friendly) power"his was an intelligence-based counter terror strike and not a military action for sake of war. Have demolished entire terror setup in the suicide bombing training centre in Balakot, and over 300 terrorists were eliminated in the covert operation by Indian Air Force: ANI quoting sources" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47366718https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/live-updates-india-carries-out-air-strikes-on-terror-camps-in-pakistan/liveblog/68161990.cms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 India and Pakistan have been shooting at each other for a few weeks now AFAIK, in what has become their annual ritual of violence since 2013. Escalation to air force involvement was probably a given It is only a matter of time before the Pakistanis retaliate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Werb Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 US&Co best practices spreading (as i predicted long ago), but probably it is the first time targets on nuclear power territory hit by another (and not exactly friendly) power You're actually off by about 68 years, Roman. http://antiterror.one/en/article/how-united-states-bombed-ussr-october-8-1950 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 This raid was surprising only that it struck Pakistan proper, just outside Kashmir. They haven't done that since '71 AFAIK. The Pakistan reaction seems set up to be 'eh'. They declared no one was hurt right off the bat, which to me sounds like they want to bury it like it was an IAF raid on Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) You're actually off by about 68 years, Roman. http://antiterror.one/en/article/how-united-states-bombed-ussr-october-8-1950 It's not like the USSR never traded some heavy ordnance with a nuclear-armed neighbor over a stretch of disputed territory either. Edited February 26, 2019 by BansheeOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 US&Co best practices spreading (as i predicted long ago), but probably it is the first time targets on nuclear power territory hit by another (and not exactly friendly) power You're actually off by about 68 years, Roman. http://antiterror.one/en/article/how-united-states-bombed-ussr-october-8-1950 I noticed this at the bottom:"In December 1950, a MiG-15 pair in Primorye was shot down by a reconnaissance aircraft RB-29."A B-29 shot down two jets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 For the sake of a reduction in the dangers inherent to two nuclear powers killing each other's troops on a tit for tat basis this year since February 14, I hope there are some cooler heads somewhere on the subcontinent, as the limited coverage of India's recent airstrike has been triumphal and almost gloating in various ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) https://www.rt.com/news/452518-pakistan-jets-enter-kashmir/At least 3 Pakistani combat jets enter Indian side of Kashmir, intercepted – Indian official Edited February 27, 2019 by Roman Alymov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 There was actually a very good lecture I was listening to on youtube, it was either Brookings or Atlantic council, that gave a good description and reason why these incidents occur. They are for the most part theatre, put on to make the US intervene on one side or the other, or as an honest broker over some dispute. Now the US has to give it credit, done a pretty good job down the years mediating between the two sides whenever disputes like this occur. The problem now is of course, you have a US president apparently wholly disinterested in the Indian subcontinent, and far more interested high fiving it with his drinking buddy kim, and a Foreign Ministry still largely unmanned, and similarly fixated on North Korea. It doesn't take a genius to figure out this could all go very wrong very quickly. There is a price to be paid for the US withdrawing from the world, and they wont be the ones paying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Pakistan shoots down Indian jets, carries out airstrikes in Kashmir Pakistan shot down two Indian jets on Wednesday, a spokesman for the Pakistan armed forces said, a day after Indian warplanes struck inside Pakistan for the first time since a war in 1971, prompting leading powers to urge the nuclear armed rivals to show restraint.Tensions have been elevated since a suicide car bombing by Pakistan-based militants in Indian-controlled Kashmir killed at least 40 Indian paramilitary police on Feb. 14, but the risk of conflict rose dramatically on Tuesday when India launched an air strike on what it said was a militant training base.The attack targeted the Jaish-e-Mohammed militant, the group that claimed credit for the suicide attack. But while India said a large number of JeM fighters had been killed, Pakistani officials said the Indian airstrike was a failure and inflicted no casualties.Indian air force planes strayed into Pakistani airspace on Wednesday after Pakistan had carried out airstrikes in Indian-occupied Kashmir, said Major General Asif Ghafoor, a spokesman for the Pakistan armed forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) Yeah, confirmed on the BBC (please put the link up Gregory).https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47383634Pakistan says it has shot down two Indian Air Force jets in a major escalation of the Kashmir conflict.A spokesman said one plane had fallen inside Pakistani territory and two pilots had been arrested. There is no comment from India. Pakistan has denied reports one of its jets was shot down.Both India and Pakistan claim all of Kashmir, but control only parts of it.The nuclear powers have fought several wars since independence from Britain in 1947. All but one were over Kashmir.Follow updates as they happenThe aerial attacks across the Line of Control (LoC) dividing Indian and Pakistani territory are the first since a war in 1971.They follow a militant attack in Kashmir which killed 40 Indian troops - the deadliest to take place during a three-decade insurgency against Indian rule in Kashmir. A Pakistan-based group said it carried out the attack.What's the latest?Pakistan's assertion that it had shot down two Indian aircraft came shortly after Islamabad said its warplanes had struck targets in Indian territory. Pakistan said it had "taken strikes at [a] non-military target, avoiding human loss and collateral damage".Indian authorities said the Pakistani jets had been pushed back. Maj Gen Asif GhafoorVerified account @OfficialDGISPR In response to PAF strikes this morning as released by MoFA, IAF crossed LOC. PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace. One of the aircraft fell inside AJ&K while other fell inside IOK. One Indian pilot arrested by troops on ground while two in the area. Edited February 27, 2019 by Stuart Galbraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Oh, and there is this, bits of which are in English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 When you hear at a press conference the Pakistani Journalists calling the Indian's 'Monkey's, you realize things are probably going to go bad very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) Oh, and there is this, bits of which are in English.I can't understand if he is repeating his words in English or just inserting bits of English into his explanations ? Video of Indian plane down, pilot dead among cheering crowd 18+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0DuGGWUNdk P.S. Probably not plane but helicopter2 pilots, one civilian killed in Mi-17 chopper crash in Jammu and Kashmir’s Budgamhttps://www.newsnation.in/india-news/2-pilots-one-civilian-killed-in-mi-17-chopper-crash-in-jammu-and-kashmirs-budgam-article-215353.html Edited February 27, 2019 by Roman Alymov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Roman Alymov Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2019/02/27/video-my-name-is-wing-commander-abhi-anand-says-arrested-indian-pilot/?fbclid=IwAR2fijx92APrFAibq6OWu9R5CylSMRe2nNcw4k7P7t36aENFeIYQWd-nPuEVIDEO: ‘My name is Wing Commander Abhi Anand,’ says arrested Indian pilot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) Pakistan forums with lots of Pakistanis and Indians. Needless to say, lots of, lets say, content, in there right now spanning multiple active threads. https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/2-iaf-pilots-feared-dead-as-mig-crashes-in-kashmirs-budgam.604285/ https://defence.pk/pdf/forums/indian-defence-forum.52/ https://defence.pk/pdf/forums/pakistan-air-force.12/ Edited February 27, 2019 by JasonJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 Russia rerouting or returning Asia-bound flights because of the conflict (Thailand is important tourist destination in this season for Russians)https://www.bfm.ru/news/408013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) India had launched a train trip package for Japanese and Australian tourism, but this might have an impact, we'll see. Stay tuned.https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/irctc-launches-australia-japan-tour-packages-from-chennai/articleshow/67990472.cms Edited February 27, 2019 by JasonJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 There was actually a very good lecture I was listening to on youtube, it was either Brookings or Atlantic council, that gave a good description and reason why these incidents occur. They are for the most part theatre, put on to make the US intervene on one side or the other, or as an honest broker over some dispute. Now the US has to give it credit, done a pretty good job down the years mediating between the two sides whenever disputes like this occur. The problem now is of course, you have a US president apparently wholly disinterested in the Indian subcontinent, and far more interested high fiving it with his drinking buddy kim, and a Foreign Ministry still largely unmanned, and similarly fixated on North Korea. It doesn't take a genius to figure out this could all go very wrong very quickly. There is a price to be paid for the US withdrawing from the world, and they wont be the ones paying it. Well the US has issued a statement and it generally backs India's strike inside Pakistan airspace because it was targeting a terrorist training camp. But the end message is as you described, US calling for both sides to cool down.https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/us-throws-weight-behind-india-asks-pakistan-to-avoid-military-action-root-out-terror-camps/articleshow/68178267.cms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougRichards Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 When you hear at a press conference the Pakistani Journalists calling the Indian's 'Monkey's, you realize things are probably going to go bad very quickly. Anyone from the subcontinent calling anyone else a monkey is usually the sign that something is about to go very pear shaped, just ask Australian cricketers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 When you hear at a press conference the Pakistani Journalists calling the Indian's 'Monkey's, you realize things are probably going to go bad very quickly. Anyone from the subcontinent calling anyone else a monkey is usually the sign that something is about to go very pear shaped, just ask Australian cricketers That first Pakistani thread Jason posted refers, im not sure how accurately, to this being the JF17 being used. Which is probably going to do wonders for sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 When you hear at a press conference the Pakistani Journalists calling the Indian's 'Monkey's, you realize things are probably going to go bad very quickly. Anyone from the subcontinent calling anyone else a monkey is usually the sign that something is about to go very pear shaped, just ask Australian cricketers That first Pakistani thread Jason posted refers, im not sure how accurately, to this being the JF17 being used. Which is probably going to do wonders for sales. NAZ-7 mentioned here - it is probably iIndian version of Soviet НАЗ (Носимый Аварийный Запас, portable emergency kit), so Indoan plane lost is probably Russian\Soviet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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