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None of the authors are politicians.

It does not matter - since they are creating ambient media buzz (controlled by Western ruling elite), and media buzz is what is influencing grass-root people.

You do not understand the USA at all.

It is quite stupid from me to claim i understand USA better than locals (even despite of USians perception of USA is quite different depending on their political position, as we see in other threads). All i can do is to tell how it is looking like from Russia.

 

How much control does Russian media elite have over Russian grass roots?

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How much control does Russian media elite have over Russian grass roots?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Russians are in general skeptical, cynical and expect nothing good from officials and all sorts of people of higher standing. This habit is rooted in centuries (as Russian history is history of rebellion), and invention of media only added to that - as media are owned by rich and wealthy, adding class hate to the mix. It is hard to me to measure control, so i can't answer you question with figures - but i think we can use surveys like this as guide (of course keeping in mind they are hardly reliable, unfortunatelly)

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You claimed Western ruling elite controls grass roots by media buzz. That would be difficult because media is the USA has never been so spread out and ignored. There is so much noise that majority of the population has decided to just ignore media that is controlled by elites. Big media has almost gone bankrupt because population has gone to small media. The internet has broken whatever influence big media ever had.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/22/distrust-social-media-traditional-journalism-fake-news

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You claimed Western ruling elite controls grass roots by media buzz. That would be difficult because media is the USA has never been so spread out and ignored. There is so much noise that majority of the population has decided to just ignore media that is controlled by elites. Big media has almost gone bankrupt because population has gone to small media. The internet has broken whatever influence big media ever had.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/22/distrust-social-media-traditional-journalism-fake-news

That would be a huge miss characterization, IMO. What happened is the media fractured into numerous online and on air pieces, and people in general choose the ones that most identify with their pre-existing belief systems (both on the left and the right). Cable news is hardly dead, especially for the older generations, most particularly Fox News. But people didn't stop watching 'news', they just got more choices in outlets and delivery systems. They generally went with the ones that most catered to their views or preferences.

 

It probably does mean that there really isn't an over arching message or direction for US media, outside the common denominator of making money, which usually goes hand in hand with creating sensationalist headlines for both directions of the US political spectrum. You can generally add the word "Tump" to any headline and get twice as many clicks, left or right, because most every one has an intense opinion about him either way.

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A huge miss characterization? NYT is losing tens of millions of dollars every year. It's not very much better for the rest of the big city daylies. SF Chron has lost half of its pages and all of the syndicated columns. Cable news has been sliding for over a decade.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/03/why-cable-news-shedding-viewers/348811/

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The Chronicle has been going downhill for years, sadly.

 

In its defense, however, it is going down fighting, as it has credibly maintained its writing standard during its slow slide.

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He means George Bush.He claimed victory in the cold war in the 1993 Presidential election, which really upset the Russians. Largely because it was true. Nobody likes to learn they lost a war after all.

In 1993, Russians were fighting Civil War and surviving on ruins, too busy to notice Western politicians rhetoric . When daily survival is your concern, political affairs are not among your interests. The first time wide masses started to rethink situation in "Seems like Soviet propaganda was not lying to us about global imperialism" was in late 1990th, during Yugoslavia bombings. Even our office team (McCann-Erickson Moscow), mostly fresh graduates from best universities, with fluent English, majority with experience of living abroad, with top-tier salaries incomparable to ones of average Russian etc, was sort of at the edge of riot - enough to our US bosses, wise people i must say, creating special meeting to calm situation down.

 

 

We moved on, Russia didnt, and thats the tragedy.

Where you moved to?

 

The sunny uplands of peace Churchill always promised. You want to come up here some time, you can see a long way. Instead of re-fighting a lost war again and again and again....

 

 

 

You claimed Western ruling elite controls grass roots by media buzz. That would be difficult because media is the USA has never been so spread out and ignored. There is so much noise that majority of the population has decided to just ignore media that is controlled by elites. Big media has almost gone bankrupt because population has gone to small media. The internet has broken whatever influence big media ever had.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/22/distrust-social-media-traditional-journalism-fake-news

That would be a huge miss characterization, IMO. What happened is the media fractured into numerous online and on air pieces, and people in general choose the ones that most identify with their pre-existing belief systems (both on the left and the right). Cable news is hardly dead, especially for the older generations, most particularly Fox News. But people didn't stop watching 'news', they just got more choices in outlets and delivery systems. They generally went with the ones that most catered to their views or preferences.

 

It probably does mean that there really isn't an over arching message or direction for US media, outside the common denominator of making money, which usually goes hand in hand with creating sensationalist headlines for both directions of the US political spectrum. You can generally add the word "Tump" to any headline and get twice as many clicks, left or right, because most every one has an intense opinion about him either way.

 

There is no one owner of the US media, so there is a widespread number of views, although it is fair to say at the moment they have solidified into two basic perspectives, pro Trump, AntiTrump.

 

Russia used to have a very similar wide range of views, and they had a wide number of media barons. In Putin's early years, he either had the Oligarch owners hauled off on made up taxation charges (or sometimes finally noticed what had been in plain sight for years) and nationalized their media holdings. Or they pointed out to the other owners that a more pro Kremlin message might be healthier. Thats why you can go from Sputnik to RT to most other Russian media sources and see essentially the same story. There is no plurality in views, just a plurality in emphasis.

 

Its worth reflecting on the fate of Kukli, a very popular show in the style of Britains Spitting image, which so annoyed the Kremlin (more specifically Putin which it parodied), that they pressured the company to shut it down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppets_(TV_series)

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Looks like one of the planners who planned a coup against the drug smuggler president is in US prison now for smuggling drugs. Ahmed Chalabi, who is not.

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Date 25.10.2020

Venezuela: Opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez arrives in Spain

Leopoldo Lopez had been confined in Venezuela for more than six years. It isn't clear how he escaped from the Spanish ambassador's residence in capital city Caracas to join family in Madrid.

Venezuelan opposition politician Leopoldo Lopez arrived in Madrid on Sunday, Spain's foreign ministry said.

It was announced Saturday that Lopez left the Spanish ambassador's residence in Venezuela's capital city Caracas. He had been holed up in the residence for over a year, avoiding house arrest for his role in anti-government protests.

In a statement, the Spanish foreign ministry said Lopez's decision to leave the Spanish embassy in Venezuela was "personal and voluntary."

Lopez, who founded the social-democratic Popular Will Party, in a series of tweets earlier said he had left Venezuela but did not disclose his location.

"Venezuelans, this decision has not been easy, but rest assured that you can count on this servant to fight from anywhere," Lopez said. "We will not rest and we will continue working day and night to achieve the freedom that all Venezuelans deserve."

Lopez was jailed in 2014 for leading violent protests against embattled President Nicolas Maduro and was released to house arrest in 2017.

Lopez backed internationally-recognized interim President Juan Guaido,who assumed the presidency following Maduro's 2018 re-election campaign that was widely considered illegitimate.

In April 2019, Lopez backed Guaido's attempt at a military revolt against Maduro. After the uprising fizzled out, he sought shelter at the Spanish ambassador's residence.

Lopez's wife, Lilian Tintori, fled to Spain that May.

How did Lopez escape?

There are various reports from sources about how Lopez evaded a heavy security presence and fled Venezuela. Two people familiar with the matter said he traveled via Colombia.

In a message directed to Maduro on Twitter, Guaido said his political mentor had gotten out of Venezuela by "evading your repressive apparatus."

Maduro government condemns escape

"The head of the Spanish diplomatic mission in Venezuela served as the main organizer and confessed accomplice of the... escape from Venezuelan territory of the criminal Leopoldo Lopez," President Nicolas Maduro's government said in a statement.

Following Lopez's departure, intelligence agents arrested four Venezuelans who worked with Lopez in Caracas, including two of his bodyguards, according to Ana Leonor Acosta, a local lawyer who said she was contracted to defend the four individuals.

https://www.dw.com/en/venezuela-opposition-leader-leopoldo-lopez-arrives-in-spain/a-55394101

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