rmgill Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 There's no way the US is getting involved at this stage. It is very doubtful the US will get militarily involved at any stage, but then again it is hard to predict the president's impulsiveness and naivety.Given the unhinged nature of the communists (and their hangers on), it's more a point to how they could react and what they could lash out at in order to try to foment a larger war. Remember when Iraq fired SCUD's at Israel who wasn't even involved in the gulf war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 There's no way the US is getting involved at this stage. It is very doubtful the US will get militarily involved at any stage, but then again it is hard to predict the president's impulsiveness and naivety.Given the unhinged nature of the communists (and their hangers on), it's more a point to how they could react and what they could lash out at in order to try to foment a larger war. Remember when Iraq fired SCUD's at Israel who wasn't even involved in the gulf war? What are they going to do, torch their own oil fields? Attack Colombia and give them a pretext for invasion? Even assuming there was a practical target, what's left of the Venezuelan military right now couldn't organize a two car funeral. They will be lucky put to down the rather limited mutinies that have already taken place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) What are they going to do, torch their own oil fields? Attack Colombia and give them a pretext for invasion? Who knows. It's not unknown for outgoing dictators to effect a scorched earth policy to fuck everyone they can. It's not like we haven't seen that before. Even assuming there was a practical target, what's left of the Venezuelan military right now couldn't organize a two car funeral. They will be lucky put to down the rather limited mutinies that have already taken place. You could have said that about the Iraqi Military, but they managed quite a bit of mayhem. Let's remember Josh, in your effort to cast shade on a US president doing what many US presidents have done in response to unrest in a region, you're wittingly or unwittingly giving credibility and defense to a government that's gone out of its way to murder and starve it's citizens in order to stay in power. Edited April 30, 2019 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) It is very doubtful the US will get militarily involved at any stage, but then again it is hard to predict the president's impulsiveness and naivety. Trump asking Bolton and Pompeo "You guys told me this would be done in a month. What the hell is taking you so long?" while eating lunch on Monday is probably as good or better an explanation for today's events at La Carlota airbase as any. If the impulsiveness level of the current president is any indicator, then God help the Bolivarians, as the equivalent of 5th Mountain Division may already be on its way to Maleme La Carlota. Edited April 30, 2019 by Nobu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 What are they going to do, torch their own oil fields? Attack Colombia and give them a pretext for invasion?Who knows. It's not unknown for outgoing dictators to effect a scorched earth policy to fuck everyone they can. It's not like we haven't seen that before. Even assuming there was a practical target, what's left of the Venezuelan military right now couldn't organize a two car funeral. They will be lucky put to down the rather limited mutinies that have already taken place.You could have said that about the Iraqi Military, but they managed quite a bit of mayhem. Let's remember Josh, in your effort to cast shade on a US president doing what many US presidents have done in response to unrest in a region, you're wittingly or unwittingly giving credibility and defense to a government that's gone out of its way to murder and starve it's citizens in order to stay in power. I can hate Maduro and want him dead (I have in fact put money on the fact) and also think that the US getting militarily involved is an incredibly bad idea. If Trump stays clear, good for him; I think any rational leader would. But I'm not about to try to predict his choices - he not only has routinely defied expectations, he also has suddenly reversed himself on several major policy issues. If you want to call that 'shade', go right ahead. But regardless of what Maduro does, it is a waste of US soldiers to try to change the outcome. The security apparatus that holds the dictator in power is already fragmenting. The US getting involved merely backs up the claim that this is somehow all our fault while likely not reducing the bloodshed one iota. Bombing or boots on the ground isn't going to solve this more quickly. So unless you think the second Iraq war was a particular good use of coin and blood, I'd recommend we sit this one out. Maduro won't be able to sustain himself indefinitely, whether he falls this week or next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 If something happens and Americans are killed by it and the president didn't have a rapid reaction force on standby folks on the left would also scream bloody murder. Given the unrest, having an arrow in the bow makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim the Tank Nut Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 well, I'd sit it out too and would be trying my very best to get any Americans away from Venezuela.At least there is one thing that I can agree with Josh on here at Tanknet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) If something happens and Americans are killed by it and the president didn't have a rapid reaction force on standby folks on the left would also scream bloody murder. Given the unrest, having an arrow in the bow makes sense. I'm fine with forces being based in Colombia if Bogota is willing to accomodate them. The way things are going now I wouldn't be opposed to an LHP being sent to the Carib if one were due to rotate out soon. But I can't think of any circumstances where I'd actually want to commit those forces - it would probably have to be as relief aid after the country already shook out who was in power, and obviously only if Guaido won. As for Americans getting hurt abroad, I believe it was the GOP that screamed bloody murder about that, not the left. In any case even the state department pulled out. Anyone still in country is incredibly dumb - a single US dollar would buy you a couple days food right now on the black market. Any gringo still in country is just asking to get kidnapped. Edited April 30, 2019 by Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Forgive me for not getting excited about two Leftists duking it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Forgive me for not getting excited about two Leftists duking it out.Ive no doubt you would equate Lech Walesa with Stalin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikel2 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Leopoldo Lopez and several supreme court justices have taken refuge at the Chilean embassy. Things are not looking good for the rebels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 According to US SecState Pompeo, this morning Maduro had a plane ready to flee to Cuba, but Russia ordered him to stay. https://twitter.com/i/status/1123344086159765510 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Forgive me for not getting excited about two Leftists duking it out.Ive no doubt you would equate Lech Walesa with Stalin. Guaido is not Lech Walesa and Maduro is not Stalin, please grow up and stop the sophistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) I think Pompeo understands what will happen if this Guaido business does not end as easily as it was pitched to an increasingly impatient Trump. You're fired. Edited May 1, 2019 by Nobu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Don't know the veracity, but I've read that this was supposed to happen later on but they got word that Maduro was coming for Guaido and so they pulled the trigger early and some of the military that was supposed join didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 Don't know the veracity, but I've read that this was supposed to happen later on but they got word that Maduro was coming for Guaido and so they pulled the trigger early and some of the military that was supposed join didn't. A Venezuelan journalist published that on Twitter. On related news, rumours of USS DD Eisenhower plus three US Ro-Ro logistics ships that could be underway to Venezuela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Don't know the veracity, but I've read that this was supposed to happen later on but they got word that Maduro was coming for Guaido and so they pulled the trigger early and some of the military that was supposed join didn't. A Venezuelan journalist published that on Twitter. On related news, rumours of USS DD Eisenhower plus three US Ro-Ro logistics ships that could be underway to Venezuela. Just what we need, another US intervention into a Somalia like shit hole. Nothing is going to change, the populace still wants a Mommy/Daddy government to provide for their every need and desire. At best they'll be trading in a soft core communist for a hard core socialist who will be inheriting a backed up shit hole with no answers. Moreover, the only way Guaido can prevail is if he has promised the army that they can continue their illicit drug trade. In other words, as far the USA is concerned, nothing will have changed with one exception, I presume the oil embargo the US currently has in place to prevent Venezuela from selling oil, will be lifted thus perhaps dropping pump prices in the United States. Hello, Mr. Orange. If nothing substantial will be changing why not just lift the sanctions now so that you can stop punishing the people of the United States for the actions of Leftists in Venezuela? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) Those ship movements are only unconfirmed rumors. Here is what looks like an informed twitter feed: https://twitter.com/Bilancieri Especially this thread. Also, Leopoldo López and family seems to have sought refuge in the Spanish embassy. Edited May 1, 2019 by sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1123333506346749952 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Forgive me for not getting excited about two Leftists duking it out.Ive no doubt you would equate Lech Walesa with Stalin. Guaido is not Lech Walesa and Maduro is not Stalin, please grow up and stop the sophistry.Please grow up if you find Maduro and Guaidó equivalencies. If you have a rational argument, make it and stop being an ignorant ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 The rebels may be leftists, but at least they are our leftists. At least until the first IMF loan repayment for the rebuilding of a nation unable to convert the largest proven oil reserves in the world into a functioning society comes due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Don't know the veracity, but I've read that this was supposed to happen later on but they got word that Maduro was coming for Guaido and so they pulled the trigger early and some of the military that was supposed join didn't. A Venezuelan journalist published that on Twitter. On related news, rumours of USS DD Eisenhower plus three US Ro-Ro logistics ships that could be underway to Venezuela. They usually stop off South American trouble spots on the way to somewhere else. During the 1980's they used to deploy of Nicaragua for a few days before going on with the rest of their cruise. I wouldn't read too much into it. Yet. And as far as Cuba, I think that is an entirely reasonable response from Trump. You see guys, I can praise him when it makes the right decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Don't know the veracity, but I've read that this was supposed to happen later on but they got word that Maduro was coming for Guaido and so they pulled the trigger early and some of the military that was supposed join didn't. A Venezuelan journalist published that on Twitter. On related news, rumours of USS DD Eisenhower plus three US Ro-Ro logistics ships that could be underway to Venezuela. They usually stop off South American trouble spots on the way to somewhere else. During the 1980's they used to deploy of Nicaragua for a few days before going on with the rest of their cruise. I wouldn't read too much into it. Yet. And as far as Cuba, I think that is an entirely reasonable response from Trump. You see guys, I can praise him when it makes the right decisions. They won't remember. I have given him much praise and defended him on several occasions, and very heavily regarding DPRK, but all is forgotten once you criticize him. Well either that, or I'm still an outsider newb and so they haven't read all my previous posts regarding Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 According to US SecState Pompeo, this morning Maduro had a plane ready to flee to Cuba, but Russia ordered him to stay. https://twitter.com/i/status/1123344086159765510In what way can Russia order something to President on another side of the globe, especially when his life is at stake? Why Russia, not China or Cuba? Meanwhile, it looks like this attempt failed (and was extremely limited in scale) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Don't know the veracity, but I've read that this was supposed to happen later on but they got word that Maduro was coming for Guaido and so they pulled the trigger early and some of the military that was supposed join didn't. A Venezuelan journalist published that on Twitter. On related news, rumours of USS DD Eisenhower plus three US Ro-Ro logistics ships that could be underway to Venezuela. They usually stop off South American trouble spots on the way to somewhere else. During the 1980's they used to deploy of Nicaragua for a few days before going on with the rest of their cruise. I wouldn't read too much into it. Yet. And as far as Cuba, I think that is an entirely reasonable response from Trump. You see guys, I can praise him when it makes the right decisions. Actually I support Trumps efforts to split off Cuba as well. Credit where credit is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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