sunday Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/23/enezuela-trump-president-juan-guaido-maduro-recognition-news-latest USA recognizes Guaidó as President, rioting in streets, the EU dallies...
Dark_Falcon Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/23/enezuela-trump-president-juan-guaido-maduro-recognition-news-latest USA recognizes Guaidó as President, rioting in streets, the EU dallies... The EU has now followed suit behind the US and Canada: I hope that all of Europe will unite in support of democratic forces in #Venezuela. Unlike Maduro, the parliamentary assembly, including Juan Guaido have a democratic mandate from Venezuelan citizens.
Josh Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 Maduro is on my dead pool this year. Partially out of hope, partially out of profit.But end of the day, you can't have ten percent of your population leave (likely a lot of the most capable) and your economy have a million percent inflation and expect the people to be happy. And by and large a good percentage of the country wasn't happy even back when money was good.
Simon Tan Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 I really look forward to the NATO expeditionary platoon at FOB Jupiter in Colombia.
NickM Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 I really look forward to the NATO expeditionary platoon at FOB Jupiter in Colombia. Well we DO need a new influx of attractive war brides, no?
Mr King Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 Speaking of Venezuela, I have noticed our resident Venezuelan has been MIA, I hope he is okay.
sunday Posted January 24, 2019 Author Posted January 24, 2019 Speaking of Venezuela, I have noticed our resident Venezuelan has been MIA, I hope he is okay. Indeed, indeed.
Simon Tan Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 It is strange that the warhawks have not already formed a Free Forces of Venezuela. Trained and supported by USian volunteers and private entities.
Adam Peter Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 Maybe a side effect of the government shutdown.
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 It is strange that the warhawks have not already formed a Free Forces of Venezuela. Trained and supported by USian volunteers and private entities. Kitsap County Militia?
glenn239 Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 It is strange that the warhawks have not already formed a Free Forces of Venezuela. Trained and supported by USian volunteers and private entities. You mean the Tweet brigade, or real fighting? One sounds dangerous.
Josh Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 The US is refusing to remove its diplomats after being ordered to leave in 72 hours by Maduro. The US says that Maduro is no longer the legal president so he can be ignored. While that seems to be an internally consistent argument given that they recognized Guaido as interim president, it is a bit of a gamble with US personnel in play.I got a feeling that either Guaido won't be breathing in two weeks or else Maduro will be sipping Cuba Libres.
glenn239 Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 If the US diplomats won't leave then Trump is hoping for a hostage style situation - probably less painful for the Venezuelans to ignore the US diplomats unless there is a bloodless opportunity to put them on a plane.
BansheeOne Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 Unsurprising domestic political reactions in Germany. Government, Greens and Liberals are calling for free and fair elections. The Left Party is largely supporting Maduro, either out of good old international socialist solidarity, or even better older anti-Americanism - though the "enemy of my enemy" logic looks a little strained considering one of those decrying the "imperialist coup" is MP Sevim Dagdelen, also an always-vocal critic of Recep T. Erdogan who has of course come out for his "brother" Maduro. I've looked, but not found a peep from the AfD, probably due to different takes of their pro-Trump and pro-Putin camps. I'm ildly wondering what Russia or China could do beyond words to prop up Maduro á la Assad, in a purely technical way; politically, there are obviously any number of reasons against it. But even disregarding that, Venezuela is not even Syria-close for either of them, and in the US backyard.
RETAC21 Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 Nothing to be gained supporting Maduro, because he hangs on what the Army decides to do. He will be exiled or not, as the top heads of the armed services have been bought years ago, so this will be down to Captains and Majors. But if he's kicked out, there's not going to be a split country wishing he was back.
Burncycle360 Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 Russia sayshttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-warns-u-s-against-military-intervention-venezuela-n962091 Ryabkov did not mention Maduro by name, but made clear Moscow backed his government."Venezuela is friendly to us and is our strategic partner," he said. "We have supported them and will support them."Kinda how the US felt about Ukraine...
Josh Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 Nothing to be gained supporting Maduro, because he hangs on what the Army decides to do. He will be exiled or not, as the top heads of the armed services have been bought years ago, so this will be down to Captains and Majors. But if he's kicked out, there's not going to be a split country wishing he was back. Russian and China are heavily leveraged into the Vez economy. The Chinese practically own what's left of their oil production at this point. Allowing Maduro to fall to an alternative government opens the door to the country reneging on all payment since the Maduro government is being interpreted as illegitimate in the West (rather rightly so). So for purely economic reasons, China and Russia will be Maduro fans to the end. They probably also enjoy anything that annoys the west, but it isn't the driving force. It does appear that Johny Big Balls Bolton is intentionally trying to bait Maduro into doing something stupid with the move to keep US diplomats in place. There's zero support for any US military involvement otherwise. Basically a Bengazi x10 move. If the US wanted to put pressure on the regime the easy way its to sanction its oil industry and watch it grind to a halt when it loses access to US refineries and US light sweep blending crude, though obviously that would piss off big oil which is a big no-no.
Simon Tan Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 Looks like another half assed move to make Maduro quit. There is nothing in hand to support this externally and it is not possible internally alone. The locker is empty as far as the Americas go. Squandered in far away campaigns.
Roman Alymov Posted January 25, 2019 Posted January 25, 2019 Strange to see usual Eastern Europe US cheer team of Poland&Co not rushing to support antiMaduro....
Simon Tan Posted January 25, 2019 Posted January 25, 2019 You fight the wars you have to. Not the ones your bosses want. I wonder how much of this is to spite Orangeman. The Venezuelans are irrelevant. Ants in a struggle of behemoths. Venezuela is like KsA but with hotter wimminz.
BansheeOne Posted January 25, 2019 Posted January 25, 2019 Strange to see usual Eastern Europe US cheer team of Poland&Co not rushing to support antiMaduro.... The Polish government is probably quiet because EU president Donald Tusk has spoken out most clearly in support of Guaidó within the Union, and PiS head Jaroslaw Kaczyński wouldn't agree with his old nemesis even if the latter condemned both Hitler and Stalin for invading Poland in 1939.
sunday Posted January 25, 2019 Author Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) Former Spanish PM, Aznar, stated that in South America related issues, the EU usually takes advice from Spain. Well, the current Spanish government is supported by a radical left party that is very Maduro-friendly, so it has not recognized the new Venezuelan president. Edited January 25, 2019 by sunday
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