Leo Niehorster Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Coast artillery under the navy: Japan, France, Italy, Netherlands. Denmark, Norway, Finland, Bulgaria (although under Navy command), Greece, ...Coast artillery under the army: USA, Belgian, Spain, ...Coast artillery under both the army and the navy: Britian [1], Germany [2], USSR [3], ... [1] Army and British Marines (MNBDO)[2] Navy was mostly port/harbor defence. The army had a lot more of it, and they also did port/harbor defence.[3] Mostly navy. Some army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Thats a gonner then. Sad, it was a nice looking ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Werb Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Coast artillery under the navy: Japan, France, Italy, Netherlands. Denmark, Norway, Finland, Bulgaria (although under Navy command), Greece, ...Coast artillery under the army: USA, Belgian, Spain, ...Coast artillery under both the army and the navy: Britian [1], Germany [2], USSR [3], ... [1] Army and British Marines (MNBDO)[2] Navy was mostly port/harbor defence. The army had a lot more of it, and they also did port/harbor defence.[3] Mostly navy. Some army. All British Coast Artillery was Army post WW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Thats a gonner then. Sad, it was a nice looking ship. Why? Looks like the high tide flooded into the fjord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 She clearly flooded out. Imagine how much electrical wire, electronic equipment and components are going to have to be replaced. Then bear in mind she is going to be suffering from corrosion by the time they get her out. When you tot up how much it will cost to fit her back out, they may as well write it off. There was that Type 42 we had that ended up on rocks off Australia, and they refitted here. The obvious difference was she didnt actually sink, and it was politically necessary to demonstrate it wasnt a loss by putting it back in service. I dont believe the same circumstances exist here. I could be wrong, im just detecting here there isnt enough money to go around for the forces Norway has. Regenerating a wrecked ship to me looks like a non starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) Improved Google translation of Norwegian news report. KNM Helge Ingstad received several clear warnings from the tanker before the accidentThe frigate KNM Helge Ingstad received clear warnings from the tanker Sola TS over the radio before the crash right into the front of the tanker. This is shown by the audio log that [newspaper] VG has received.Per Annar HolmEirik HusøyNTBVG has published an audio log of the radio contact between the ships.Fedje VTS is the Coastal Administration's watch center, which is responsible for the ships in the heavily trafficked fjord.Three minutes before it strikes, the pilot on board the Sola TS asks the watch center which ship this is coming into the fjord.Ten seconds later they answer:"No, it's one, eh. I have not received any information about it. It has not reported to me. I just see it appear on the screen here," says Fedje VTS over ship radio.Frigate came in at 17 knotsRadar images show that KNM Helge Ingstad goes south with 17 knots of speed, which equals 31.6 kilometers per hour. It had no deck lighting on, so it was hard to see, and it has features that make it difficult to detect on radar.At the same time, Sola TS is coming up northwards at six knots.The two ships are now on a collision course.Fedje VTS to Sola TS:"It is possible that it is Helge Ingstad. She came in from the north a while ago. It is possible that she is going there."VG has informed the Armed Forces that they have sound logs and radar images from the accident. They do not want to comment on this. "There will be a collision here."So - one minute before the collision becomes fact - the tanker and warship have radio contact:Without being sure if it's the frigate that comes against them, Sola TS asks if Helge Ingstad is coming towards them.The warship confirms this five seconds later.In the time that follows, the tanker asks the frigate repeatedly to change the course to starboard.The answer from the frigate is: "Then we get too close to the shoals.""Turn starboard if it's you coming. So you have ... ", Sola TS replies among other things.Later, the tanker gives the following message: "Helge Ingstad! Turn!", before saying three seconds later:"There will be a collision here."The contact with Helge Ingstad will be sporadic after this, and with a lot of sound from the frigate's alarms. "We have given the alarm. Trying to get control of the situation", they say to the watch center, according to VG.Although KNM Helge Ingstad before the collision had several radio exchanges with Sola TS, the frigate reports that they have collided with an unknown object and are adrift.Then they ask for immediate assistance. [...] https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/zLKL15/KNM-Helge-Ingstad-fikk-flere-klare-advarsler-fra-tankskipet-for-ulykken Disconcerting radio calls to get: "Helge Ingstad, there's bright light from your engine room." Edited November 12, 2018 by BansheeOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastdingo Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share Posted November 11, 2018 @Stuart; keep in mind many compartments under the water surface may still be completely dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Might be, however she clearly has lost necessary buoyancy to stay afloat. So there is a LOTS of water inside the ship in any case.USS Cole cost $250 million to repair and her electronics were mostly undamaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 To be fair 600 is rather a lot. You then "discovered" a metric shedload of artillery pieces in service with your naval service - not sure how that happened Hey, have you seen the map of southern Finnish coastline? There is LOTS of it to defend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 @Stuart; keep in mind many compartments under the water surface may still be completely dry. This for one.If they did not FUBAR disembarking as they did sailing, they have closed all doors and bulkheads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R011 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Right now, its tipped completely over on its srarbord side with a huge gash in it. I don't think securing compartments would have been much help even if they could be secured. I would say the radars, sonars, EW, and combat managements systems are quite non - serviceable by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastdingo Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 Might be, however she clearly has lost necessary buoyancy to stay afloat. So there is a LOTS of water inside the ship in any case.USS Cole cost $250 million to repair and her electronics were mostly undamaged. American shipyards ripping off their nation isn't relevant to a Norwegian frigate that would certainly not be towed across the Atlantic for repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 @Stuart; keep in mind many compartments under the water surface may still be completely dry. Engine room probably isnt though. Thats probably a major cost issue right there. If they can get her up tomrorow, yeah, im more optimistic they can do something with it. Its probably going to take a lot longer than that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 CTL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Pix from today: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Sad. Not a lot left to salvage at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastdingo Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 They can salvage the antennas, likely most missiles and maybe a few compartments are dry and allow recovery of some more spare parts.It's a shame. The radio logs that I saw were all translations, but they display a stubbornness and idiocy that should rock their entire navy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 They can salvage the antennas, likely most missiles and maybe a few compartments are dry and allow recovery of some more spare parts.It's a shame. The radio logs that I saw were all translations, but they display a stubbornness and idiocy that should rock their entire navy.Especially given their country's seafaring culture and history.----Had she not been beached, she would almost certainly have turned turtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 It is the second frigate we have lost since the end of the cold war (KNM Oslo to grounding and sinking in 1994) btw, so two out of ten frigates in service since 1990 have been lost to accidents. That has to be a european "record". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Well, the Norwegian coast is treacherous. Norwegian patrol boat Jo on the rocks, 2002. German minehunter Grömitz on the rocks, 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Is there no effort to save her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 A norwegian company called Boa Managment will conduct the salvage, it will be transfered to a semi-submerged barge (just like USS Cole), but oil and weaponry will be removed from the ship first though. The barge will then transport it to the nearby Haakonsvern naval station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Is it financially feasible to return the ship to service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 If Norway has a similar approach to weapon system safety that the UK does, then unless there is actually a war on, I suspect that everything with a hint of a tide mark will be junked. "Drenched missiles to be relied on to protect Brave Sailors". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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