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Supposedly the current one is the second to the last....

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Saint Malachy. More info here, but that page is a bit outdated and I do not dare to endorse it.

 

 

Irish, you should know better than to trust the Irish on anything.

 

I should know, I am one apparently.:D

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Supposedly the current one is the second to the last....

According to?

 

 

Saint Malachy. More info here, but that page is a bit outdated and I do not dare to endorse it.

 

 

Irish, you should know better than to trust the Irish on anything.

 

I should know, I am one apparently. :D

 

 

Lowlander Scot according to your surname.

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Supposedly the current one is the second to the last....

According to?

 

 

Saint Malachy. More info here, but that page is a bit outdated and I do not dare to endorse it.

 

 

Irish, you should know better than to trust the Irish on anything.

 

I should know, I am one apparently. :D

 

 

Lowlander Scot according to your surname.

 

 

We got about. They used to bounce across the Irish sea chasing the shipbuilding work, but my Grandmother at least was Irish. My cousin has actually applied for an Irish Passport just to get around the Brexit unpleasantness. Anyone that can prove Irish ancestry is eligible.

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Supposedly the current one is the second to the last....

According to?

 

 

Saint Malachy. More info here, but that page is a bit outdated and I do not dare to endorse it.

 

 

Irish, you should know better than to trust the Irish on anything.

 

I should know, I am one apparently. :D

 

 

Lowlander Scot according to your surname.

 

 

We got about. They used to bounce across the Irish sea chasing the shipbuilding work, but my Grandmother at least was Irish. My cousin has actually applied for an Irish Passport just to get around the Brexit unpleasantness. Anyone that can prove Irish ancestry is eligible.

 

Come again? I know a couple of O'Reillys back in Cuba who would be very pleased to hear that. Well actually it was morphed into Urrely.

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Supposedly the current one is the second to the last....

According to?

 

 

Saint Malachy. More info here, but that page is a bit outdated and I do not dare to endorse it.

 

 

Irish, you should know better than to trust the Irish on anything.

 

I should know, I am one apparently. :D

 

 

Lowlander Scot according to your surname.

 

 

We got about. They used to bounce across the Irish sea chasing the shipbuilding work, but my Grandmother at least was Irish. My cousin has actually applied for an Irish Passport just to get around the Brexit unpleasantness. Anyone that can prove Irish ancestry is eligible.

 

 

My paternal grandmother's name was Kathleen McMahon. Would that be enough to get me an Irish passport? (I was going out with another lady surnamed McMahon about 35 years ago....luckily nothing came from that as I was divorced and her church, yes the one in the title of this thread, didn't like that.....thank God!) :)

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Im not being anti Catholic by saying this, Im being anti bureaucratic, and thats not an issue that begins and ends at the Catholic Church. Far from it, plenty of organizations have this exact same issue as we have seen.

 

Indeed, indeed. However, it is somewhat comforting that even non-Catholics expect the highest standards from the RCC.

 

I think that in general people expect the highest standards from those organisations that preach (in this case, literally) about the importance of a high moral standard.

 

I extend that to it also being absolutely essential to have a high moral standard whenever one is in a position of power.

 

To answer the question the Pope is apparently having trouble with - you don't need another discussion panel of bishops - you need to throw them out if there's sufficient evidence of their misdeeds. No cloistering, no shuffling them off to another jurisdiction. Defrock them and leave them to the tender mercies of the criminal courts wherever they did their deeds. And if there's a systematic cover-up, then go for those people, too.

 

Root and branch, dare I say drain that swamp?

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Im not being anti Catholic by saying this, Im being anti bureaucratic, and thats not an issue that begins and ends at the Catholic Church. Far from it, plenty of organizations have this exact same issue as we have seen.

 

Indeed, indeed. However, it is somewhat comforting that even non-Catholics expect the highest standards from the RCC.

 

I think that in general people expect the highest standards from those organisations that preach (in this case, literally) about the importance of a high moral standard.

 

I extend that to it also being absolutely essential to have a high moral standard whenever one is in a position of power.

 

To answer the question the Pope is apparently having trouble with - you don't need another discussion panel of bishops - you need to throw them out if there's sufficient evidence of their misdeeds. No cloistering, no shuffling them off to another jurisdiction. Defrock them and leave them to the tender mercies of the criminal courts wherever they did their deeds. And if there's a systematic cover-up, then go for those people, too.

 

Root and branch, dare I say drain that swamp?

 

 

 

Luke 13:6-35

Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’

“‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’”

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Supposedly the current one is the second to the last....

According to?

 

 

Saint Malachy. More info here, but that page is a bit outdated and I do not dare to endorse it.

 

 

Irish, you should know better than to trust the Irish on anything.

 

I should know, I am one apparently. :D

 

 

Lowlander Scot according to your surname.

 

 

We got about. They used to bounce across the Irish sea chasing the shipbuilding work, but my Grandmother at least was Irish. My cousin has actually applied for an Irish Passport just to get around the Brexit unpleasantness. Anyone that can prove Irish ancestry is eligible.

 

 

My paternal grandmother's name was Kathleen McMahon. Would that be enough to get me an Irish passport? (I was going out with another lady surnamed McMahon about 35 years ago....luckily nothing came from that as I was divorced and her church, yes the one in the title of this thread, didn't like that.....thank God!) :)

 

 

Id have to check how it works. But it may be because my Grandmother was born in what was then a United Ireland, and of course Eire is part of the EU, as are we for the moment.

 

There are a lot of McMahon's in New Zealand as well. I think it was a Justice McMahon that did the report on the Mount Erebus crash (New Zealand DC10 in the Antarctic). Ive seen at least one Australian Officer called Galbraith on the TV come to that. Buggers always did have itchy feet.

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Im not being anti Catholic by saying this, Im being anti bureaucratic, and thats not an issue that begins and ends at the Catholic Church. Far from it, plenty of organizations have this exact same issue as we have seen.

 

Indeed, indeed. However, it is somewhat comforting that even non-Catholics expect the highest standards from the RCC.

 

I think that in general people expect the highest standards from those organisations that preach (in this case, literally) about the importance of a high moral standard.

 

I extend that to it also being absolutely essential to have a high moral standard whenever one is in a position of power.

 

To answer the question the Pope is apparently having trouble with - you don't need another discussion panel of bishops - you need to throw them out if there's sufficient evidence of their misdeeds. No cloistering, no shuffling them off to another jurisdiction. Defrock them and leave them to the tender mercies of the criminal courts wherever they did their deeds. And if there's a systematic cover-up, then go for those people, too.

 

Root and branch, dare I say drain that swamp?

 

 

 

Luke 13:6-35

Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’

“‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’”

 

Parables have their limits. the extent and duration of the scandal, and the demands from the rank and file and externally to sort this out should have been enough fertilizer for a lifetime.

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Im not being anti Catholic by saying this, Im being anti bureaucratic, and thats not an issue that begins and ends at the Catholic Church. Far from it, plenty of organizations have this exact same issue as we have seen.

Indeed, indeed. However, it is somewhat comforting that even non-Catholics expect the highest standards from the RCC.

 

I think that in general people expect the highest standards from those organisations that preach (in this case, literally) about the importance of a high moral standard.

 

I extend that to it also being absolutely essential to have a high moral standard whenever one is in a position of power.

 

To answer the question the Pope is apparently having trouble with - you don't need another discussion panel of bishops - you need to throw them out if there's sufficient evidence of their misdeeds. No cloistering, no shuffling them off to another jurisdiction. Defrock them and leave them to the tender mercies of the criminal courts wherever they did their deeds. And if there's a systematic cover-up, then go for those people, too.

 

Root and branch, dare I say drain that swamp?

 

Archbishop Viganò used the word "swamp" in his testimony. Seems he and you see the problem in the same way.

 

 

In this tragic moment for the Church in various parts of the world — the United States, Chile, Honduras, Australia, etc. — bishops have a very grave responsibility. I am thinking in particular of the United States of America, where I was sent as Apostolic Nuncio by Pope Benedict XVI on October 19, 2011, the memorial feast of the First North American Martyrs. The Bishops of the United States are called, and I with them, to follow the example of these first martyrs who brought the Gospel to the lands of America, to be credible witnesses of the immeasurable love of Christ, the Way, the Truth and the Life.

 

Bishops and priests, abusing their authority, have committed horrendous crimes to the detriment of their faithful, minors, innocent victims, and young men eager to offer their lives to the Church, or by their silence have not prevented that such crimes continue to be perpetrated

 

To restore the beauty of holiness to the face of the Bride of Christ, which is terribly disfigured by so many abominable crimes, and if we truly want to free the Church from the fetid swamp into which she has fallen, we must have the courage to tear down the culture of secrecy and publicly confess the truths we have kept hidden. We must tear down the conspiracy of silence with which bishops and priests have protected themselves at the expense of their faithful, a conspiracy of silence that in the eyes of the world risks making the Church look like a sect, a conspiracy of silence not so dissimilar from the one that prevails in the mafia. “Whatever you have said in the dark ... shall be proclaimed from the housetops” (Lk. 12:3).

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The Pope just can't let transparency happen, there is a problem Houston. Lupe and the girls came home and told me that the new priest had a shiner from "getting hit in the face with a raquetball", I almost popped off and said something inappropriate, I am glad I did not.

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The Pope just can't let transparency happen, there is a problem Houston. Lupe and the girls came home and told me that the new priest had a shiner from "getting hit in the face with a raquetball", I almost popped off and said something inappropriate, I am glad I did not.

 

OTOH Pope Francis has ordered the accountants to properly sort all the vatican's paperwork. Though I do not know how far this has come.

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The Pope just can't let transparency happen, there is a problem Houston. Lupe and the girls came home and told me that the new priest had a shiner from "getting hit in the face with a raquetball", I almost popped off and said something inappropriate, I am glad I did not.

 

911 here received a call a few years back from a priest who claimed he handcuffed himself to his bed, and needed the police to get him out of the handcuffs. Then a while back there was a priest who was at the park that is infamous for being a hot spot with gay men to pick each other up for sex, and for some reason that was never quite clear, he ended up being curb stomped by two high school age males.

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The Pope just can't let transparency happen, there is a problem Houston. Lupe and the girls came home and told me that the new priest had a shiner from "getting hit in the face with a raquetball", I almost popped off and said something inappropriate, I am glad I did not.

 

OTOH Pope Francis has ordered the accountants to properly sort all the vatican's paperwork. Though I do not know how far this has come.

 

They can't have been digging too deeply. There are no reports of people suspended from any of London's bridges recently.

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Il Papa probably was salivating over this, since he is a socialist, and not really interested in upholding Catholic doctrine, and elements of the faith. He has to worry about Global Warming, protecting pederasts in the church and unchecked illegal immigration to add Muslims to Europe.

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