Because The Roman Catholic Church

[Murph]

Ignore what he says, watch what he does.  

 

https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2024/06/02/pope-francis-names-3-pro-gay-prelates-vatican-doctrinal-office/

[JWB]

 

[sunday]

Not a Catholic church, but a victim of anti-Catholic lies

https://gloria.tv/post/3a4xoLV8GPh11ugGD3VieF89s

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St Anne's in west Toronto, an Anglican church, was completely destroyed by fire on 9 June.

The 124-year-old church contained early paintings by three Group of Seven artists that were installed in the church in the 1920s. The church was locked and no one was inside.

The Group of Seven was a collective of Canadian landscape painters, active from 1920 to 1933, known for their striking and vivid depictions of the Canadian wilderness. Their work played a crucial role in the development of a distinct Canadian art style and has left a lasting legacy in the country's cultural heritage.

Following slanderous accusations by salon socialist Justin Trudeau and the media that the Catholic Church committed "mass murder" of Indian children a century ago, nearly a hundred churches across Canada were burned or vandalised, although it was clear from the start, and confirmed after excavations, that these were all bald-faced lies.

 

[R011]

9 hours ago, sunday said:

Not a Catholic church, but a victim of anti-Catholic lies

https://gloria.tv/post/3a4xoLV8GPh11ugGD3VieF89s

 

Wow.  That's a big stretch.  Not just that the fire was arson, the investigation has only just started,  but that a unproven attack on an Anglican church was somehow an attack on a different denomination.

And while the so called mass graves turned out to be normal, if neglected, cemeteries, that residential schools were abusive and their inmates suffered a higher death rate than was reasonable has been well established for a couple of decades now.

[sunday]

No mass graves.

[Ivanhoe]

11 hours ago, sunday said:

Not a Catholic church, but a victim of anti-Catholic lies

https://gloria.tv/post/3a4xoLV8GPh11ugGD3VieF89s

 

In the US, the Episcopal Church is sometimes referred to as "Catholic Lite" and/or "Guilt-Free Catholicism."

That said, I will happily attribute any mistaken identity attacks on the abysmal performance of public schools of late. I would be very surprised if a statistically significant percentage of high school seniors could:

- identify the founder and/or location of the start of the Reformation

- what the first popular vernacular-language Bible was, and who sponsored its development

- difference between the Anglican Church and the Episcopal Church

If the arsonist was trying to get revenge on Catholic churches, I guess the necessary and sufficient conditions for target confirmation were stained glass and dog collars.

 

[sunday]

Almost 100 churches in Canada have been set afire.

Imagine the reaction of the chattering classes if there were 10 mosques or synagogues burnt up.

[R011]

5 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

In the US, the Episcopal Church is sometimes referred to as "Catholic Lite" and/or "Guilt-Free Catholicism."

That said, I will happily attribute any mistaken identity attacks on the abysmal performance of public schools of late. I would be very surprised if a statistically significant percentage of high school seniors could:

- identify the founder and/or location of the start of the Reformation

- what the first popular vernacular-language Bible was, and who sponsored its development

- difference between the Anglican Church and the Episcopal Church

If the arsonist was trying to get revenge on Catholic churches, I guess the necessary and sufficient conditions for target confirmation were stained glass and dog collars.

 

What arsonist? 

As yet, they have no idea how the fire started and most church fires are not arson.  Nor does attacking the Roman Catholic Church by attacking a non-Catholic church make any sense at all.  Latest news:

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/church-fire-in-toronto-that-destroyed-group-of-seven-murals-not-suspicious-at-this-time-police-1.6920608

Edited June 11, 2024 by R011

[Murph]

On 6/10/2024 at 2:11 PM, sunday said:

Almost 100 churches in Canada have been set afire.

Imagine the reaction of the chattering classes if there were 10 mosques or synagogues burnt up.

No, just mosques, since they are a protected class.  

[R011]

7 hours ago, Murph said:

No, just mosques, since they are a protected class.  

In fact, those arsons were big news three years ago when they happened and condemned by just about everyone, including Native leaders, just as attacks on mosques and synagogues (mostly synagogues) have been big news this year.

[Murph]

Pope does it again, tells media too many gays in the Priesthood, and Seminary.  Wow, he is on a roll.  

 

https://www.ncronline.org/vatican/vatican-news/pope-francis-reportedly-repeats-gay-slur-warns-priests-against-ideologies

Pope Francis encouraged priests to seek out those who are "invisible" in society and he warned against "ideologies" in the church.

According to Italian news reports, one of the ideologies he specified was a gay culture, referring to it, however, by using the same derogatory slang term in Italian that he reportedly used in a closed-door meeting with members of the Italian bishops' conference in May when describing some seminaries as being marked by a gay culture.

During a closed-door meeting June 11 with about 160 priests from the Diocese of Rome at the Pontifical Salesian University, the pope said it would not be prudent to admit young men with homosexual tendencies to seminaries as candidates for the priesthood, according to the Italian news agencies, ANSA and Adnkronos, citing unnamed individuals who attended the meeting with the pope.

These young men are "good kids," but they will encounter difficulties that will then show up in the exercise of their ministry, the pope said, sources told the two agencies.

The pope was not condemning gay people, and he reiterated that the church is open to everyone, ANSA reported.

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Pope Francis encouraged priests to seek out those who are "invisible" in society and he warned against "ideologies" in the church.

According to Italian news reports, one of the ideologies he specified was a gay culture, referring to it, however, by using the same derogatory slang term in Italian that he reportedly used in a closed-door meeting with members of the Italian bishops' conference in May when describing some seminaries as being marked by a gay culture.

During a closed-door meeting June 11 with about 160 priests from the Diocese of Rome at the Pontifical Salesian University, the pope said it would not be prudent to admit young men with homosexual tendencies to seminaries as candidates for the priesthood, according to the Italian news agencies, ANSA and Adnkronos, citing unnamed individuals who attended the meeting with the pope.

These young men are "good kids," but they will encounter difficulties that will then show up in the exercise of their ministry, the pope said, sources told the two agencies.

The pope was not condemning gay people, and he reiterated that the church is open to everyone, ANSA reported.

Read this next: 'Denigration of my humanity': Gay priests reflect on pope's use of homophobic slur

What he was warning against was a kind of "lobby" that turns a homosexual lifestyle into an ideology, sources told Adnkronos. ANSA reported sources said the pope used the derogatory term when talking about the Vatican, saying that "in the Vatican there is an air of" a gay culture, and that it is not easy to guard against this trend.

The meeting at the Salesian University included priests ordained 11-39 years ago, and it was the third and last of a series of meetings with clergy from the Diocese of Rome. The pope met May 14 with some 70 priests who have been ordained 40 years or more, and he met May 29 with priests ordained 10 years or less.

The Vatican press office said the pope "spoke about the danger of ideologies in the church and returned to the issue of the admission into seminaries of people with homosexual tendencies, reiterating the need to welcome and accompany them in the church and the prudential recommendation of the Dicastery for the Clergy regarding their admission to a seminary."

[Murph]

And the Gay Jesuit lobby starts:   And my question is: Why is he still a priest?

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2024/05/29/pope-francis-massingale-homophobic-comment-248039

 

I am a priest who is publicly open about belonging to the L.G.B.T.Q. community. As a gay man, I was shocked and saddened by the Holy Father’s reported use of an offensive slur during a discussion with Italian bishops. While ostensibly justifying a policy of refusing to accept gay men into seminaries, the pope reportedly stated that there was too much “frociaggine” in seminaries. Let’s be clear about the slur that was used so we also understand the controversy. The word is an offensive term often employed in a pejorative/derogatory manner to refer to gay men, one vulgar enough not to be translated here.

In response, the Vatican stated that that the pope was aware of these reports and, while not directly confirming that the pontiff used the offensive word, stated, “The pope never intended to offend or express himself in homophobic terms, and he apologizes to those who felt offended by the use of a term, as reported by others.”

I welcome the pope’s apology. I am relieved that he did not intend any offense. But any fair observer must conclude that this incident has severely compromised his historic outreach and unprecedented openness to members of the L.G.B.T.Q. community.

To understand the magnitude of the pope’s use of the slur, we must make a distinction between the intent and the impact of his words. Some seek to downplay all of this as only a matter of an unfortunate choice of words or a careless use of colloquial language. Others view this as nothing more than an elderly man’s imprecise grasp of a language that is not his native tongue. But others point out that the pope has been speaking Italian since his childhood.

All of this may be true. But regardless of the speaker’s intent, such language is dehumanizing. Slurs and offensive names are perhaps too easily dismissed by those who are not their targets. But make no mistake: Derogatory slurs dehumanize sexual minorities. They call our humanity into question.

[Murph]

Excommunication proceedings are in process against Conservative Archbishop for calling out Commie Pope:

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/exclusive-archbishop-carlo-maria-vigano-summoned-vatican-be/

 

Here is the message moments ago from Archbishop Vigano’s Twitter page:

(art. 2 SST; can. 1364 CIC)

The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith has informed me, with a simple email, of the initiation of an extrajudicial penal trial against me, with the accusation of having committed the crime of schism and charging me of having denied the legitimacy of “Pope Francis” of having broken communion “with Him” and of having rejected the Second Vatican Council. I have been summoned to the Palace of the Holy Office on June 20, in person or represented by a canon lawyer. I assume that the sentence has already been prepared, given that it is an extrajudicial process.

I regard the accusations against me as an honor. I believe that the very wording of the charges confirms the theses that I have repeatedly defended in my various addresses. It is no coincidence that the accusation against me concerns the questioning of the legitimacy of Jorge Mario Bergoglio and the rejection of Vatican II: the Council represents the ideological, theological, moral, and liturgical cancer of which the Bergoglian “synodal church” is the necessary metastasis.

Complete text of the announcement: https://exsurgedomine.it/240620-attendite-eng/

[sunday]

Here is a good reaction to Msgr. Viganò announcement, video in Spanish but one could always try the automatic English subtitles

 

[Murph]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/archbishop-carlo-maria-vigano-confirms-he-has-not/

 

Lifesite News reported, via Midnight Rider.:

The reports spread by certain media outlets, stating that I presented myself yesterday, Thursday, June 20, at the Palace of the Holy Office, as intimated to me by the Decree of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, is devoid of any foundation. These reports are completely false. 

The Jesuit magazine America, the media arm of the Society of Jesus in the United States and the megaphone of the “church of mercy” of the Jesuit Bergoglio, has rushed ahead, while Vatican News (here) was still totally unaware of the Decree sent to me on June 11, only by a simple email, without respecting those formalities necessary for the validity of the communication of a Decree, and which I myself published on X two hours before the meeting scheduled at the Dicastery. Although all the elements were clearly stated in my communiqué, inferences and speculations took precedence, in typical Jesuit style.

Haste is a bad counselor. Therefore, Gerard O’Connell’s article Archbishop Viganò charged with schism by the Vatican that appeared yesterday at America (here) seems to have been written even before I made the Vatican document public. This reveals the close contiguity between the Vatican apparatus and America magazine and confirms a very precise strategy, aimed at liquidating my trial with a condemnation that has already been decided by Bergoglio and his zealous collaborator Tucho Fernández, author of the scandalous pornographic pamphlet La Pasion mistica: Espiritualidad y Sensualidad, as well as Saname con tu boca: El arte de besar. 

[Murph]

J'Accuse!  Archbishop calls for Commie Pope's ouster.  I think he is giving far, far too much thought over FreeMasons, but ok, he's on a roll:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/jaccuse-statement-archbishop-carlo-maria-vigano-accusation-schism/

‘But even if we or an angel from heaven

“When I think that we are in the palace of the Holy Office, which is the exceptional witness of the Tradition and of the defense of the Catholic Faith, I cannot stop myself from thinking that I am at home, and that it is me, whom you call “the traditionalist,” who should judge you.” So spoke Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1979, when he was summoned to the former Holy Office, in the presence of the Prefect, Cardinal Franjo Šeper, and two other Prelates.

As I stated in my Communiqué of June 20, I do not recognize the authority of the tribunal that claims to judge me, nor of its Prefect, nor of the one who appointed him. This decision of mine, which is certainly painful, is not the result of haste or a spirit of rebellion; but rather is dictated by the moral necessity which, as Bishop and Successor of the Apostles, obliges me in conscience to bear witness to the Truth, that is, to God Himself, to Our Lord Jesus Christ.

I face this trial with the determination that comes from knowing that I have no reason to consider myself separate from communion with the Holy Church and with the Papacy, which I have always served with filial devotion and fidelity. I could not conceive of a single moment of my life outside this one Ark of salvation, which Providence has constituted as the Mystical Body of Christ, in submission to its Divine Head and to His Vicar on earth.

The enemies of the Catholic Church fear the power of Grace which works through the Sacraments, and above all the power of the Holy Mass, a terrible katechon which frustrates many of their efforts and wins to God so many souls who would otherwise be damned. And it is precisely this awareness of the power of the supernatural action of the Catholic priesthood in society that lies at the origin of their fierce hostility to Tradition. Satan and his minions know full well what a threat the one true Church poses to their antichristic plan. These subversives – whom the Roman Pontiffs have courageously denounced as enemies of God, the Church, and humanity – are identifiable in the inimica vis, Freemasonry. It has infiltrated the Hierarchy and succeeded in making it lay down the spiritual weapons at its disposal, opening the doors of the Citadel to the enemy in the name of dialogue and universal brotherhood, concepts that are intrinsically Masonic. But the Church, following the example of her Divine Founder, does not dialogue with Satan: She fights him.

 

[sunday]

3 minutes ago, Murph said:

I think he is giving far, far too much thought over FreeMasons

Well, there is some evidence.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60891693-murder-in-the-33rd-degree

[Murph]

Okay, I still don't believe it, since in South Texas at least a lot of Catholics are also Masons.  

[sunday]

45 minutes ago, Murph said:

Okay, I still don't believe it, since in South Texas at least a lot of Catholics are also Masons.  

Some Freemasons in this Grate Sight have surprised me in a good way, but Church doctrine is what it is. Look for a good, sane priest, and ask him.

Perhaps there are some weird lodges that are Freemasons in name only, perhaps those Catholics are not Roman Catholics.

Of course, both our local Francmasons, and French and Italian ones, for instance, are very much anti-Catholic. One of the most bloodthirsty butchers of the Spanish Civil War, and head honcho of one Checa, Agapito García Atadell (wikipedia article in Spanish), was a Francmason.

Edited June 30, 2024 by sunday

[Murph]

Nah, the ones here do not care about any of the Freemason stuff that the Europeans do, they are just happy to have dues paying members....   

[Murph]

The Marxists win again.  The Archbishop is excommunicated.  

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/archbishop-carlo-maria-vigano-is-found-guilty-schism/

 

 

[sunday]

Bit like Hackworth.

[urbanoid]

On 6/30/2024 at 11:07 PM, sunday said:

Some Freemasons in this Grate Sight have surprised me in a good way, but Church doctrine is what it is. Look for a good, sane priest, and ask him.

Perhaps there are some weird lodges that are Freemasons in name only, perhaps those Catholics are not Roman Catholics.

Of course, both our local Francmasons, and French and Italian ones, for instance, are very much anti-Catholic. One of the most bloodthirsty butchers of the Spanish Civil War, and head honcho of one Checa, Agapito García Atadell (wikipedia article in Spanish), was a Francmason.

Might be the issue of Continental vs. Regular/Anglo-American Freemasonry. The Continental/Grand Orient lodges are the 'lefty' ones, while some Regular rites don't even admit non-christians and the belief in a deity is a must to become a member.

[sunday]

1 hour ago, urbanoid said:

Might be the issue of Continental vs. Regular/Anglo-American Freemasonry. The Continental/Grand Orient lodges are the 'lefty' ones, while some Regular rites don't even admit non-christians and the belief in a deity is a must to become a member.

Might be. I've seen other explanations.

When getting older, Franco found that the American Freemasons could be good people, and excellent patriots, but he still used to say something in the line of "British Masons are good patriots for Britain. Spanish ones too, good patriots for Britain."

[sunday]

Not all news are bad news