Because The Roman Catholic Church

[Chris Werb]

Isn't there an obvious way out of this mess? If you believe in God, just have a personal relationship with them that doesn't involve a church. Job done!

[sunday]

This author deals primarily with Pius XI in this book, though Pius XII when he was just Cardinal Pacelli was also an important figure in this period. I would say the viewpoint is of Pacelli/Pius XII remaining a strong Fascist and Mussolini supporter, when Pius XI had concluded that Mussolini had moved too far in his emulation of the Nazis, Hitler and racism. Pacelli/Pius XII seemed to be portrayed as being primarily concerned with the maintenance of amicable relations between the Vatican and the Fascists in Italy, and not so much whatever was going on in Germany at that time.

 

That Pacelli was the author of of some of the anti-Nazi language in Mit Brennender Sorge is surprising to me based on my single reading of the book. A quick look at the book's index did not help zero in on that event. I'd have thought that Hitler would have regarded Pius XI more of a moral enemy at that time. I do not recall a mention of Zolli in the book, though after the death of Pius XI, the book is mostly finished, although it does give a summary of Mussolini's brief time as the leader of the puppet government in northern Italy and his demise following his capture by partisans.

 

I was initially somewhat suspicious of a Jewish author writing about the relationship between Mussolini and the Pope, expecting a generally anti-Catholic piece along the lines of "the Church sat on its hands while millions of Jews were murdered", but his view toward Pius XI is generally even-handed in my opinion. OTOH he is often harsh with others in the Vatican (and pederasty is one of the things mentioned).

 

I am not really up to date on the pontificate of Pius XI, but the Pius XII one has been quite a small hobby for me.

 

Pacelli was the main writer of Mit Brennender Sorge. He had first hand knowledge, as he was the Papal nuncio in Germany between 1917, and 1929.

 

On his deeds during WWII and the evolving narrative on his figure, here is a good article. Then there is the information about Operation Seat 12.

[Rick]

Isn't there an obvious way out of this mess? If you believe in God, just have a personal relationship with them that doesn't involve a church. Job done!

Matthew 28:16-20

[sunday]

 

Isn't there an obvious way out of this mess? If you believe in God, just have a personal relationship with them that doesn't involve a church. Job done!

Matthew 28:16-20

 

 

Matthew 16:13-19 too

[CT96]

 

 

_{sorry. couldn't help myself.}

[BansheeOne]

3,677 alleged abuses, a sixth of them rapes, over 68 years. This means 54 average alleged abuses / 9 average alleged rapes per year.

Currently there are 23,6 million Catholics in Germany, 22,7 million in 1946. It would be useful to know the cases reported every year.

 

Here are some current statistics for the general population of Germany. I think the section titled "Law Enforcement Response" could be useful in order to understand the figures presented in the DW article.

 

As the article notes, the study can't be particularly significant because it was limited in both scope and access per the parameters set by the Catholic Church which commissioned it. Researchers did not review church files directly but sent questionaires to the 27 dioceses, where staff then looked at the files for what they thought were indications; researchers noted that replies were "heterogeneous", and as mentioned files were tampered with or destroyed in at least two dioceses. Scope was limited to parish clerics and did not include incidents in order communities, schools, children's homes or other church-run institutions, or by chaplains outside them. For example, at least 67 cases by nine perpetrators within the Regensburger Domspatzen children's choir and boarding school in the same timeframe documented in a separate report from last year don't show up here. So it's hard to compare with incidence in society at large, even disregarding dark field estimates.

[Murph]

A reporter who has been instrumental in reporting on the mess, and specifically Cardinal "Lets hide the perverts" Wuerl has been banned from the National Cathedral! How can the Church in good conscience ban a person from a church? https://pjmedia.com/faith/national-catholic-basilica-in-d-c-bans-journalist-investigating-cardinal-wuerl/

[beans4]

Wuerl to ask Pope to accept his resignation.

 

https://www.ucatholic.com/news/cardinal-wuerl-annouces-that-he-will-ask-pope-francis-to-accept-his-resignation/

Edited September 13, 2018 by beans4

[Murph]

Good riddance, now if they really wanted to fix the mess, the Pope would resign, and go to a monastery for the rest of his life, along with about 50% of the Curia and Cardinals/Archbishops/Bishops.

[sunday]

Interesting times approaching, and not those of the good kind. "Truth will set you free", however.

 

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/vatican-rocked-by-leak-of-300-page-dossier

[Murph]

Let the sun shine in. It needs to crumble with the guilty named publicly.

Interesting times approaching, and not those of the good kind. "Truth will set you free", however.

 

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/vatican-rocked-by-leak-of-300-page-dossier

[Jeff]

Good riddance, now if they really wanted to fix the mess, the Pope would resign, and go to a monastery for the rest of his life, along with about 50% of the Curia and Cardinals/Archbishops/Bishops.

 

Will the last Cardinal out of the basilica please turn out the lights?

[Murph]

If need be.

 

Good riddance, now if they really wanted to fix the mess, the Pope would resign, and go to a monastery for the rest of his life, along with about 50% of the Curia and Cardinals/Archbishops/Bishops.

 

Will the last Cardinal out of the basilica please turn out the lights?

 

[DougRichards]

Not just the Church of Rome: redux:

 

Orthodox priest Stanislav Vakhabov jailed over molesting boy, 14

A RUSSIAN Orthodox priest has been jailed after he sexually molested a 14-year- old boy he invited to Australia and locked in his Sydney church flat while performing religious duties.

Stanislav Vakhabov, also known as Father Christopher, was found guilty by a NSW District Court jury in February for detaining the boy for his own sexual gratification, giving him intoxicating substances to make it easier to have unlawful sexual activity and four counts of indecent assault in 2014.

 

On Friday, Judge Kate Traill jailed the 36-year-old for a maximum of seven years and six months with a non-parole period of five years and seven months, saying he “totally manipulated” the young victim and “took advantage” of his vulnerability.

Vakhabov’s sentence was backdated to May 2015, making him eligible for parole from December 14, 2020.

He is expected to be deported when released from custody.

[sunday]

In the meanwhile, nobody talks about the Hollywood scandals.

[Rick]

In the meanwhile, nobody talks about the Hollywood scandals.

What I find interesting is that the Hollywood scandals involve big name liberals. Hence, no coverage.

[DougRichards]

Actually here in Australia there is a fair amount of coverage.

[Murph]

Again, what does the Lavender Mafia have on the Pope? Or is he a good card carrying member? https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/09/13/pope-francis-commissioned-report-to-attack-sex-abuse-victims-while-archbishop-of-buenos-aires/

[Murph]

There is a Greek Orthodox church in San Antonio, as well as a Russian Orthodox one. The RCC is rapidly driving me out, and this Pope is utterly corrupted by the gay lobby/pederasts in the Church.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/jonathan-v-last/vigano-letter-mccarrick-wuerl-and-pope-francis-are-breaking-the-catholic-church

[sunday]

There is a Greek Orthodox church in San Antonio, as well as a Russian Orthodox one. The RCC is rapidly driving me out, and this Pope is utterly corrupted by the gay lobby/pederasts in the Church.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/jonathan-v-last/vigano-letter-mccarrick-wuerl-and-pope-francis-are-breaking-the-catholic-church

 

Francis is not the first, and -God willing- will not be the last Pope.

Edited September 14, 2018 by sunday

[sunday]

Here is a good overview of the recent troubles that affect the RCC:

https://www.weeklystandard.com/jonathan-v-last/vigano-letter-mccarrick-wuerl-and-pope-francis-are-breaking-the-catholic-church?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

[toysoldier]

 

There is a Greek Orthodox church in San Antonio, as well as a Russian Orthodox one. The RCC is rapidly driving me out, and this Pope is utterly corrupted by the gay lobby/pederasts in the Church.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/jonathan-v-last/vigano-letter-mccarrick-wuerl-and-pope-francis-are-breaking-the-catholic-church

 

Francis is not the first, and -God willing- will not be the last Pope.

 

Hope not, the last Pope CANNOT be an Argentinian.

[Corinthian]

Supposedly the current one is the second to the last....

[CT96]

Supposedly the current one is the second to the last....

According to?

[Corinthian]

Exact source I forgot. It's been years. Supposedly some end of the world talk/prophecy whatever. Take it with a grain of salt I guess....