Security Of Taiwan And Senkaku Islands

[Stuart Galbraith]

Russia will never willingly give up the Kuriles. It will posture over it because its useful to do so. But you only have to look at a map, the potential of those islands being used for ASW forces or some form of GIUK line would effectively leave Russian forces bottled up in a war. Its also going to hobble the utility of SSBN's parked in the pacific fleet.

 

Id like to believe otherwise, but under Putin, all you will have is your nose tweaked. He will never give anything without getting more in return, he has proved this time and again.

[JasonJ]

 

 

 

 

How about... what about not goal post shifting? Are you already that desparate to find an escape and come out ahead by coming out in impression points?

 

I'm just reminding you about consequences of playing this games in past. I do not think it is any need to replay history.

I'm afraid you are overestimating the importance of our chats here

 

 

 

 

if to be so vulnerable to the Japanese PM suggesting that the Russian people can continue to live on the islands and work side by side with Japanese people. As part of resolving the territorial issue, I find that proposition rather positive. It doesn't mean it has to be liked, Russia can of course decline and remain firm on giving back only the two smaller islands. It is so obviously Russia turning this into a big deal in Russia, if it is indeed the big deal that you claim it to be.

 

If your political decision makers are thinking this way -it is indication of their experts on Russian affairs incompetent (or political leaders not consulting with experts). Of course, we can't rule out their aim was not agreement but derailing talks....

 

 

Yeah sure, always playing it cool, similar approach you took to Damian. He made comments really harsh level comments but by provocation due to you playing it cool and using smiley faces in an inappropriate matter. Also Damian was still in his mid-20s so a bone could be given to him.

 

When at all possible, I avoid chats with you.

 

Well if you say so yeah [/sarc] Any failure in progress with Russia are plus points for the Balitcs, Poland, the Ukraine, the UK, etc.

 

As long as the Putin team keeps enjoying a nominal GDP that is the same size as ROK's [/sarc]

Edited January 16, 2019 by JasonJ

[JasonJ]

Russia will never willingly give up the Kuriles. It will posture over it because its useful to do so. But you only have to look at a map, the potential of those islands being used for ASW forces or some form of GIUK line would effectively leave Russian forces bottled up in a war. Its also going to hobble the utility of SSBN's parked in the pacific fleet.

 

Id like to believe otherwise, but under Putin, all you will have is your nose tweaked. He will never give anything without getting more in return, he has proved this time and again.

 

So what if they never do. Japanese position is the Japanese position. A position will be taken regardless of Putin. If he doesn'6t like that then tough luck for him. We're only talking about a max of 4 of the southern ones. His loss to keep Russia economically pinned. Roscomos has already taken a big hit, to the detriment to the population. More rigged elections for the Putin team!

[Simon Tan]

Japan as benevolent neighbour is still trying to live down the Greater Asian CoProsperity Sphere. Japan cannot set a course independent of the US with the PRC at its door. Japan is the ideal bogeyman for China and the worst ally Taiwan could hope for.

I still dont see what the Russians can be offered for the South Kuriles. The sane applies to all territories that Japan is disputing. Indeed with Korean rappochment, things are going to get worse for Tokyo.

[Roman Alymov]

 

Id like to believe otherwise, but under Putin, all you will have is your nose tweaked. He will never give anything without getting more in return, he has proved this time and again.

Isn't it what any political leader is supposed to deliver to his country when it comes to international relations business? What is the sense of the deal, if it is not bringing " more in return"?

[Simon Tan]

Please consider the epic cock up that is Brexit and you can understand the angst and envy.

[Roman Alymov]

 

So what if they never do. Japanese position is the Japanese position. A position will be taken regardless of Putin. If he doesn'6t like that then tough luck for him. We're only talking about a max of 4 of the southern ones. His loss to keep Russia economically pinned. Roscomos has already taken a big hit, to the detriment to the population. More rigged elections for the Putin team!

 

I'm sorry - what is Roscomos? May be you mean RoscoSmos?

[JasonJ]

Japan as benevolent neighbour is still trying to live down the Greater Asian CoProsperity Sphere. Japan cannot set a course independent of the US with the PRC at its door. Japan is the ideal bogeyman for China and the worst ally Taiwan could hope for.

I still dont see what the Russians can be offered for the South Kuriles. The sane applies to all territories that Japan is disputing. Indeed with Korean rappochment, things are going to get worse for Tokyo.

 

Yeah, CPTPP, or before that business and such still. International competition still will exists. The only way to satisfy those kinds of arguments is to be a loser or be a communists where everyone gets a fair piece regardless of quantity and quality of work put in. But even with that said, ASEAN in general seems quite comfortable with Japan. Definitely more so than China. If Japan is the worse kind of ally for Taiwan, better move to Taiwan and start campaigning there on the behalf of the CCP. What Russia gets for finding a settlement with Japan is obvious for those that aren't stuck to Russian style aggression.

Edited January 16, 2019 by JasonJ

[JasonJ]

 

 

So what if they never do. Japanese position is the Japanese position. A position will be taken regardless of Putin. If he doesn'6t like that then tough luck for him. We're only talking about a max of 4 of the southern ones. His loss to keep Russia economically pinned. Roscomos has already taken a big hit, to the detriment to the population. More rigged elections for the Putin team!

 

I'm sorry - what is Roscomos? May be you mean RoscoSmos?

 

 

It's a typo.

[Roman Alymov]

 

 

 

It's a typo.

 

So what is wrong with Roscosmos, except effects post-Soviet collapse and mismanagement of incompetent people like Rogozin&Co?

[Roman Alymov]

 

Yeah, CPTPP, or before that business and such still. International competition still will exists. The only way to satisfy those kinds of arguments is to be a loser or be a communists where everyone gets a fair piece regardless of quantity and quality of work put in. But even with that said, ASEAN in general seems quite comfortable with Japan. Definitely more so than China. If Japan is the worse kind of ally for Taiwan, better move to Taiwan and start campaigning there on the behalf of the CCP. What Russia gets for finding a settlement with Japan is obvious for those that aren't stuck to Russian style aggression.

 

It's interesting how you are mixing opposing statements in one post. If we believe in "International competition", then if investing in Russia is\will be profitable for foreign companies, then Japan companies will be among those investing in Russia anyway (completing with others for best position) - see for example Komatsu plant in Yaroslavl. No need to give away territory for that

 

New Komatsu repair facility in Magadan

And if Japan investments are dependent on territory deal, than all this talks about fair game and international competition are useless.

[JasonJ]

As I said before, consider my participation in this thread to have ended. Feel free to troll it up like the Ukraine thread.

[bojan]

...wrong topic...

Edited January 16, 2019 by bojan

[Nobu]

 

 

You're delusional.

 

 

I'd have thought the opposite was true. But you do disapprove.

 

 

By believing in playing Russia against China you're just as delusional as many Western 'experts' who believe the same. Those may be the rogue states, but their leaders aren't dumb. They have no other way than to hang together, or else they will hang separately.

 

 

Now, look here. The few troops in the area are second class. They're not front-line caliber, not at all. Do you understand?

[Roman Alymov]

Any failure in progress with Russia are plus points for the Balitcs, Poland, the Ukraine, the UK, etc

Somehow missed this point, so let me reply to it now for the record: Actually any deal between Japan (or any Western country) and Russi is in fact deal with Russian corrupt elite collaborated to West - and, by definition, can't be in Russian national interests, unless this corrupt elite is forces somehow to follow Russian national interests. So, first and foremost, no deal is good for Russia as nation and state - at least untill we are sure our elite is no more dependent on West. If it is also good for Poland &Co - let it be it (but since this countries consider it zero sum game, it is hardly so).

P.S. Another time Hirofumi Sugizaki from Kyodo News asking Russian officials, this time Foreign minister Lavrov, about Russian position on Kuril islands (as for me, he is looking disappointed)

Edited January 16, 2019 by Roman Alymov

[JasonJ]

Oh.. still no wave of videos of Russian talking heads, have things changed!?

[Roman Alymov]

Oh.. still no wave of videos of Russian talking heads, have things changed!?

Well, if you ask for it:

Russian and Japanese talking heads (with English subtitles)

 

and part of Russian TV talk show summarizing results of latest Putin-Abe talks

[JasonJ]

Askng? I was not asking. But we all know you wanted to

[Roman Alymov]

Askng? I was not asking. But we all know you wanted to

Who is "you all"?

[JasonJ]

 

Askng? I was not asking. But we all know you wanted to

 

Who is "you all"?

It's "we all" not "you all" but yeah, but I don't mean harm now, just a little fun, even if maybe I shouldn't

[Roman Alymov]

Russian fishermen complained to Russian Gov about actions by Japan fishing boats in Russian territorial waters near Kuril islands (Kunashir Strait), with up to 20+ fishing boats are preventing Russian ships from normal fishing process while scattering unmarked nets etc.
https://www.bfm.ru/news/406335

Seems like another fishing war coming

Unrelated Rus TV report with subtitles

[Roman Alymov]

Now idea of referendum on Kuril islands discussed

[Nobu]

Happy Northern Territories Day.

[Roman Alymov]

New coastal defense installations on Iturup island

 

More photos here https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/118855/#cut

[JasonJ]

20 big doors. A company's worth of AFVs maybe.