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The real waste happens when Parliament forces the Navy to order five more corvettes that the Navy actually doesn't want and doesn't really need, so we're blowing billions on tiny ships that won't stop the Russians to close down the Baltic if they so choose to do. We could just as well have used those billions to order more spare parts for army and airforce (and the submarines, which would have accomplished infinitely more for the deterrence value of the Bundesmarine).

 

And the same eminence gris of the budget committee who pushed for the corvettes, the maker of which happens to be located in his electoral district, criticized the defense minister for her additional financial demands just last week BTW, accusing her of mismanagement and not even being able to spend the money she has. Though in fairness, the additional K 130s could only be plugged in because the Type 180/F 126 the money was meant for were delayed, and the Navy has long been complaining they need more ships period because the existing fleet is being run down by deployments.

 

[Naval Nazi] Also, Bundesmarine was only ever used inofficially to distinguish the West German navy from the DDR's Volksmarine. Today it's just (Deutsche) Marine. [/Naval Nazi]

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[Naval Nazi] Also, Bundesmarine was only ever used inofficially to distinguish the West German navy from the DDR's Volksmarine. Today it's just (Deutsche) Marine. [/Naval Nazi]

 

 

Journalists still have not nticed the cold war has ended. :D heck I remember reading about a german "Bundesheer" in an article. There is also still a surprising number of battle ships and battle cruisers sailing in newspaper articles...

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Well, Frigates these days are basically battle cruisers, it just "sounds nicer". Just like today's Corvettes are a euphemism for Destroyer. The War Ministry mutated its name into Defense Ministry, etc. etc.

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Well, Frigates these days are basically battle cruisers, it just "sounds nicer". Just like today's Corvettes are a euphemism for Destroyer. The War Ministry mutated its name into Defense Ministry, etc. etc.

 

while true, I think that there are still so many battle cruisers in articles goes back to the big public discussion around fleet tonnages etc. between the wars and before WW1 that term got stuck in the collective journalism. Well they also call everything a battle ship at times. Agree on the euphemistic newspeak.

 

 

Everything armoured and painted olive drab is a tank of course. Really even wikipedia gets it right in 99% of cases.

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Well, Frigates these days are basically battle cruisers, it just "sounds nicer". Just like today's Corvettes are a euphemism for Destroyer. The War Ministry mutated its name into Defense Ministry, etc. etc.

 

For some navies (well, one in particular, largely to get around the INF treaty), corvettes are strategic assets.

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Two Eurofighters from a flight of three crashed after a mid-air collision during training in restricted airspace over Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Pilots reportedly ejected, status unknown at this time. Developing.

 

Update 1: One pilot recovered from a treetop alive.

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Two Eurofighters from a flight of three crashed after a mid-air collision during training in restricted airspace over Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Pilots reportedly ejected, status unknown at this time. Developing.

 

Update 1: One pilot recovered from a treetop alive.

 

What were they doing to get so close to each other? :huh:

 

And that makes 138 136 EuFi for the Luftwaffe.

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It happens during ACM training. Five years ago a civilian contractor Learjet crashed after touching a Eurofighter during a "renegade" aircraft exercise. The right-seat pilot had lost sight of the fighter it had been ordered to follow as he banked right and asked the one in the left seat to take over - who was however distracted by a mission-related computer in his lap. Both died in the crash; the fighter made it back with damage to its outboard stations.

 

Search ongoing for the second pilot. The third reported two chutes, so he's likely alive; not the easiest terrain there though, lots of lakes and woods. Aircraft were unarmed.

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Search ongoing for the second pilot. The third reported two chutes, so he's likely alive; not the easiest terrain there though, lots of lakes and woods.

Or unfortunately maybe not, since body parts have reportedly been found near one of the crash sites, which sounds really bad.

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Search ongoing for the second pilot. The third reported two chutes, so he's likely alive; not the easiest terrain there though, lots of lakes and woods.

Or unfortunately maybe not, since body parts have reportedly been found near one of the crash sites, which sounds really bad.

 

 

The Luftwaffe confirms the death on its Twitter channel: https://twitter.com/Team_Luftwaffe/status/1143179405986029568

 

The Luftwaffe website only reports the crash so far: https://www.luftwaffe.de/portal/a/luftwaffe/start/archivneu/2019/jun/!ut/p/z1/hY5LD4IwEIT_UbeAFjxCCI-D-MBXezENbRCDLWkq8eCPt8aEG3EPk-zOt5MBBhdgio9dy22nFe_dThm5ktWizP0ar6NNEeJdfcRhFS08XAZwgvM_hDkbz0yMoRYSqMsIZzNiH2pgwO585C80aGN7aRFvvh2B3rgSvdzqJv4dHCgkarRyjFMrle2ctoZbbabv5mmMc1AngGIvTTCZOnnvJM2K_ECCKC2TPQyPLKqqZfsBgO7USg!!/dz/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/#Z7_694IG2S0M8OH70QSU07N8410A2

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Surviving pilot remains hospitalized in stable condition. Stated to be a 51-year-old LTC and one of the Luftwaffe's most experienced instructors with 3,500 flight hours, including 1,900 on Eurofighter. By contrast, the deceased was a 27-year-old 1LT fresh out of basic Eurofighter training with a mere 100 hours on the type. FDRs have not yet been recovered. One piece of wreckage missed a kindergarten playground by 40 meters, which obviously caused a bit of a scare.

 

The usual political carpetbaggers are suggesting the crash was caused by the Bundeswehr's general availability problems, demanding to stop military training flights in the area, or completely while we're at it.

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Surviving pilot remains hospitalized in stable condition. Stated to be a 51-year-old LTC and one of the Luftwaffe's most experienced instructors with 3,500 flight hours, including 1,900 on Eurofighter. By contrast, the deceased was a 27-year-old 1LT fresh out of basic Eurofighter training with a mere 100 hours on the type. FDRs have not yet been recovered. One piece of wreckage missed a kindergarten playground by 40 meters, which obviously caused a bit of a scare.

 

The usual political carpetbaggers are suggesting the crash was caused by the Bundeswehr's general availability problems, demanding to stop military training flights in the area, or completely while we're at it.

 

:wacko: if it was so unavaibale, then there would not have been a flight in the first place. :rolleyes:

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Yeah, he had just been assigned to Tactical Wing 73 "Steinhoff" in Rostock-Laage. Operations there are currently suspended, but it's likely not going to turn out having been a technical problem (reliability would probably have been a better term than availabilty for suggestions going that way).

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Surviving pilot remains hospitalized in stable condition. Stated to be a 51-year-old LTC and one of the Luftwaffe's most experienced instructors with 3,500 flight hours, including 1,900 on Eurofighter. By contrast, the deceased was a 27-year-old 1LT fresh out of basic Eurofighter training with a mere 100 hours on the type. FDRs have not yet been recovered. One piece of wreckage missed a kindergarten playground by 40 meters, which obviously caused a bit of a scare.

 

The usual political carpetbaggers are suggesting the crash was caused by the Bundeswehr's general availability problems, demanding to stop military training flights in the area, or completely while we're at it.

:wacko: if it was so unavaibale, then there would not have been a flight in the first place. :rolleyes:

 

 

The mayoe of Waren an der Müritz(where the planes crashed) has suggested to do away withflight operations entirely, because they are dangerous. I guess what he really meant is, that the tourists do not like the noise as Waren is living mostly off of tourism, because it is rather remote. Which is the reason the flight training is being done there in the first place. And really, the Eurofighter is comparably silent. they should hear a F-4 going low and fast...

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General, Flight Safety has preliminarily ruled the cause of accident to be pilot error and cleared the Eurofighter fleet to resume operations. A 3D model of the crash is going to be made based upon the data of flight recorders and computer systems. It might be that the killed pilot's ejection seat was automatically triggered but couldn't save him due to the collision, which would explain why the third pilot reported two parachutes, but "body parts" were found at the crash site.

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And since misery loves company, another Bundeswehr pilot was killed yesterday and her crewmate injured when an EC 135 from Army Aviation School (or International Helicopter Training Center, as it's called these days) in Bückeburg crashed during low-level training near Hameln, Lower Saxony. Both were 2LTs aged 25 and 26 respectively, with a total of 450 hours (including 170 simulated) each and fast-tracked to become First Assignment Instructor Pilots due to their demonstrated competence.

 

Both incidents are the first deadly crashes with the respective type in Bundeswehr service.

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