Stuart Galbraith Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Stuart, the article was about the Bradwell reactor which will be Chinese. Not sure about that one, but I think after the Hinkley debacle, Id be surprised if its ever built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 The real waste happens when Parliament forces the Navy to order five more corvettes that the Navy actually doesn't want and doesn't really need, so we're blowing billions on tiny ships that won't stop the Russians to close down the Baltic if they so choose to do. We could just as well have used those billions to order more spare parts for army and airforce (and the submarines, which would have accomplished infinitely more for the deterrence value of the Bundesmarine). And the same eminence gris of the budget committee who pushed for the corvettes, the maker of which happens to be located in his electoral district, criticized the defense minister for her additional financial demands just last week BTW, accusing her of mismanagement and not even being able to spend the money she has. Though in fairness, the additional K 130s could only be plugged in because the Type 180/F 126 the money was meant for were delayed, and the Navy has long been complaining they need more ships period because the existing fleet is being run down by deployments. [Naval Nazi] Also, Bundesmarine was only ever used inofficially to distinguish the West German navy from the DDR's Volksmarine. Today it's just (Deutsche) Marine. [/Naval Nazi] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 [Naval Nazi] Also, Bundesmarine was only ever used inofficially to distinguish the West German navy from the DDR's Volksmarine. Today it's just (Deutsche) Marine. [/Naval Nazi] Journalists still have not nticed the cold war has ended. heck I remember reading about a german "Bundesheer" in an article. There is also still a surprising number of battle ships and battle cruisers sailing in newspaper articles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Well, Frigates these days are basically battle cruisers, it just "sounds nicer". Just like today's Corvettes are a euphemism for Destroyer. The War Ministry mutated its name into Defense Ministry, etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 (edited) Well, Frigates these days are basically battle cruisers, it just "sounds nicer". Just like today's Corvettes are a euphemism for Destroyer. The War Ministry mutated its name into Defense Ministry, etc. etc. while true, I think that there are still so many battle cruisers in articles goes back to the big public discussion around fleet tonnages etc. between the wars and before WW1 that term got stuck in the collective journalism. Well they also call everything a battle ship at times. Agree on the euphemistic newspeak. Everything armoured and painted olive drab is a tank of course. Really even wikipedia gets it right in 99% of cases. Edited May 13, 2018 by Panzermann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Werb Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Well, Frigates these days are basically battle cruisers, it just "sounds nicer". Just like today's Corvettes are a euphemism for Destroyer. The War Ministry mutated its name into Defense Ministry, etc. etc. For some navies (well, one in particular, largely to get around the INF treaty), corvettes are strategic assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) Two Eurofighters from a flight of three crashed after a mid-air collision during training in restricted airspace over Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Pilots reportedly ejected, status unknown at this time. Developing. Update 1: One pilot recovered from a treetop alive. Edited June 24, 2019 by BansheeOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Two Eurofighters from a flight of three crashed after a mid-air collision during training in restricted airspace over Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Pilots reportedly ejected, status unknown at this time. Developing. Update 1: One pilot recovered from a treetop alive. What were they doing to get so close to each other? And that makes 138 136 EuFi for the Luftwaffe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Seriously though, I hope they are both alright. Just be thankful it wasnt an F4 or Mig29, or something with an older generation seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Accedents get the best of air forces. Hope they find the other pilot alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 It happens during ACM training. Five years ago a civilian contractor Learjet crashed after touching a Eurofighter during a "renegade" aircraft exercise. The right-seat pilot had lost sight of the fighter it had been ordered to follow as he banked right and asked the one in the left seat to take over - who was however distracted by a mission-related computer in his lap. Both died in the crash; the fighter made it back with damage to its outboard stations. Search ongoing for the second pilot. The third reported two chutes, so he's likely alive; not the easiest terrain there though, lots of lakes and woods. Aircraft were unarmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Its the cost of doing business sadly. If you dont get incidents like this occasionally, the likelihood is they are undertrained. So at least they were really trying to mix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Search ongoing for the second pilot. The third reported two chutes, so he's likely alive; not the easiest terrain there though, lots of lakes and woods.Or unfortunately maybe not, since body parts have reportedly been found near one of the crash sites, which sounds really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Search ongoing for the second pilot. The third reported two chutes, so he's likely alive; not the easiest terrain there though, lots of lakes and woods.Or unfortunately maybe not, since body parts have reportedly been found near one of the crash sites, which sounds really bad. The Luftwaffe confirms the death on its Twitter channel: https://twitter.com/Team_Luftwaffe/status/1143179405986029568 The Luftwaffe website only reports the crash so far: https://www.luftwaffe.de/portal/a/luftwaffe/start/archivneu/2019/jun/!ut/p/z1/hY5LD4IwEIT_UbeAFjxCCI-D-MBXezENbRCDLWkq8eCPt8aEG3EPk-zOt5MBBhdgio9dy22nFe_dThm5ktWizP0ar6NNEeJdfcRhFS08XAZwgvM_hDkbz0yMoRYSqMsIZzNiH2pgwO585C80aGN7aRFvvh2B3rgSvdzqJv4dHCgkarRyjFMrle2ctoZbbabv5mmMc1AngGIvTTCZOnnvJM2K_ECCKC2TPQyPLKqqZfsBgO7USg!!/dz/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/#Z7_694IG2S0M8OH70QSU07N8410A2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Yeah, shit. Which happens, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Surviving pilot remains hospitalized in stable condition. Stated to be a 51-year-old LTC and one of the Luftwaffe's most experienced instructors with 3,500 flight hours, including 1,900 on Eurofighter. By contrast, the deceased was a 27-year-old 1LT fresh out of basic Eurofighter training with a mere 100 hours on the type. FDRs have not yet been recovered. One piece of wreckage missed a kindergarten playground by 40 meters, which obviously caused a bit of a scare. The usual political carpetbaggers are suggesting the crash was caused by the Bundeswehr's general availability problems, demanding to stop military training flights in the area, or completely while we're at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Surviving pilot remains hospitalized in stable condition. Stated to be a 51-year-old LTC and one of the Luftwaffe's most experienced instructors with 3,500 flight hours, including 1,900 on Eurofighter. By contrast, the deceased was a 27-year-old 1LT fresh out of basic Eurofighter training with a mere 100 hours on the type. FDRs have not yet been recovered. One piece of wreckage missed a kindergarten playground by 40 meters, which obviously caused a bit of a scare. The usual political carpetbaggers are suggesting the crash was caused by the Bundeswehr's general availability problems, demanding to stop military training flights in the area, or completely while we're at it. if it was so unavaibale, then there would not have been a flight in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Local news stated deceased pilot trained in Spain with Ala 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Yeah, he had just been assigned to Tactical Wing 73 "Steinhoff" in Rostock-Laage. Operations there are currently suspended, but it's likely not going to turn out having been a technical problem (reliability would probably have been a better term than availabilty for suggestions going that way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Surviving pilot remains hospitalized in stable condition. Stated to be a 51-year-old LTC and one of the Luftwaffe's most experienced instructors with 3,500 flight hours, including 1,900 on Eurofighter. By contrast, the deceased was a 27-year-old 1LT fresh out of basic Eurofighter training with a mere 100 hours on the type. FDRs have not yet been recovered. One piece of wreckage missed a kindergarten playground by 40 meters, which obviously caused a bit of a scare. The usual political carpetbaggers are suggesting the crash was caused by the Bundeswehr's general availability problems, demanding to stop military training flights in the area, or completely while we're at it. if it was so unavaibale, then there would not have been a flight in the first place. The mayoe of Waren an der Müritz(where the planes crashed) has suggested to do away withflight operations entirely, because they are dangerous. I guess what he really meant is, that the tourists do not like the noise as Waren is living mostly off of tourism, because it is rather remote. Which is the reason the flight training is being done there in the first place. And really, the Eurofighter is comparably silent. they should hear a F-4 going low and fast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Some of us remember the esteemed and ear buggering Starfighter. When they talked about the Sound of Freedom, they really believed in getting max value out of the decibels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Niehorster Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Looking at the title of this thread — does this accident mean there are now only TWO Eurofighters combat ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 General, Flight Safety has preliminarily ruled the cause of accident to be pilot error and cleared the Eurofighter fleet to resume operations. A 3D model of the crash is going to be made based upon the data of flight recorders and computer systems. It might be that the killed pilot's ejection seat was automatically triggered but couldn't save him due to the collision, which would explain why the third pilot reported two parachutes, but "body parts" were found at the crash site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Sounds like the cockpit was bifurcated. Nasty, but at least the poor bugger didnt know what hit him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 And since misery loves company, another Bundeswehr pilot was killed yesterday and her crewmate injured when an EC 135 from Army Aviation School (or International Helicopter Training Center, as it's called these days) in Bückeburg crashed during low-level training near Hameln, Lower Saxony. Both were 2LTs aged 25 and 26 respectively, with a total of 450 hours (including 170 simulated) each and fast-tracked to become First Assignment Instructor Pilots due to their demonstrated competence. Both incidents are the first deadly crashes with the respective type in Bundeswehr service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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