Because China

[JasonJ]

 

 

 

The Republic of Chinese/Taiwanese were probably just fine with the depiction of the dashed line in the SCS, however.

This is one of your troll points, always exaggerating the degree of Pro-Beijing in Taiwan.

Not Taiwan's fault that China is one of 5 permanant members on the UNSC or that China was allowed into the WTO.

Wasnt Taiwan one of the founding members of the UN, and in fact only lost its status as a nation due to China using their leverage and resources to strong arm nations into declaring it not a country anymore?

It was indeed, and over the course of its permanent membership on the Security Council, it is interesting that it never got around to renouncing its claim to what the current government of China claims now.

Chinese birds of a feather and all that.

You never have backed up your insistant trolling on this point.

http://www.sdh-fact.com/essay-article/418/

Edited October 16, 2019 by JasonJ

[Nobu]

Their passports say Republic of China on their covers. Their fighter aircraft display Nationalist Chinese roundels to identify themselves to other air forces. Their ministry of foreign affairs claims sovereignty over the same features in the South China Sea that Beijing does.

 

There are four lights.

[Corinthian]

 

The Republic of Chinese/Taiwanese were probably just fine with the depiction of the dashed line in the SCS, however.

This is one of your troll points, always exaggerating the degree of Pro-Beijing in Taiwan.

 

Not Taiwan's fault that China is one of 5 permanant members on the UNSC or that China was allowed into the WTO.

 

 

 

AFAIK, that's another complication WRT the SCS dispute. Taiwan essentially has the same claims as the PRC IIRC.

 

WRT the Abominable movie, the only one raising the issue in the Philippines is the media, specifically Rappler, the Inquirer, and other newsies that are critical of the current Duterte regime. Anyone else doesn't give a shit about it. Sadly.

[JasonJ]

Their passports say Republic of China on their covers. Their fighter aircraft display Nationalist Chinese roundels to identify themselves to other air forces. Their ministry of foreign affairs claims sovereignty over the same features in the South China Sea that Beijing does.

There are four lights.

That's because the weak KMT dictatorship was gifted Formosa. CKS imposed Mandarin Chinese onto the population and banned local languages. The return of previously spoken languages and recognition only started to return by the 1990s. Your original point was about birds of a feather, meaning, ethnicity. Gentically speaking, most are not Chinese. In recent surveys, almost 80% identify themselves as ethnically Taiwanese. A handful of pro-CCP spies among them doesn't mean all of them are so.

[JasonJ]

 

 

The Republic of Chinese/Taiwanese were probably just fine with the depiction of the dashed line in the SCS, however.

 

This is one of your troll points, always exaggerating the degree of Pro-Beijing in Taiwan.

Not Taiwan's fault that China is one of 5 permanant members on the UNSC or that China was allowed into the WTO.

 

AFAIK, that's another complication WRT the SCS dispute. Taiwan essentially has the same claims as the PRC IIRC.

WRT the Abominable movie, the only one raising the issue in the Philippines is the media, specifically Rappler, the Inquirer, and other newsies that are critical of the current Duterte regime. Anyone else doesn't give a shit about it. Sadly.

Taiwan's claim on the SCS is linked to old Republic of China historical claim on the sea. If Taiwan can declare independence from "China" (or more literally, declare an end to being a China entity [thus not ROC, not PRC, not any 3rd new entity claiming to be China), then Taiwan's claim on the 9 dash line loses much of its rhetoric. So that could help simplify the situation. But Taiwan must have international support to make that declaration of independence.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/be-careful-what-you-wish-risks-taiwan-shifting-its-south-china-sea-policy-against-china

 

Japan has finally offered full support for Taiwan to join the CPTPP without mentioning Taiwan's ban on Fukushima area food. These kinds of underlaying changes can help build the stakes for international support for Taiwan to declare independence. A down trend of US trade with China and Japan trade with China would also help as reduced trade ties would be less punishment to US and Japan economies for backing Taiwan independence.

 

Although I reckon that if Taiwan achieves independence and drops the south china sea claim as a result, I reckon they would still want to keep possession of Itu Aba, which would be fine.

 

Duterte's attention to Russia has also been a little puzzling. Apparantly the Philippines will by 16 MH-17 helos.

Edited October 17, 2019 by JasonJ

[Nobu]

 

 

 

The Republic of Chinese/Taiwanese were probably just fine with the depiction of the dashed line in the SCS, however.

This is one of your troll points, always exaggerating the degree of Pro-Beijing in Taiwan.

 

Not Taiwan's fault that China is one of 5 permanant members on the UNSC or that China was allowed into the WTO.

 

AFAIK, that's another complication WRT the SCS dispute. Taiwan essentially has the same claims as the PRC IIRC.

 

WRT the Abominable movie, the only one raising the issue in the Philippines is the media, specifically Rappler, the Inquirer, and other newsies that are critical of the current Duterte regime. Anyone else doesn't give a shit about it. Sadly.

It is an interesting complication, particularly in that the dashed line claim actually originated with Nationalist China, before Japan and Japanese gave that fledgling state other more pressing matters to consider regarding Sovereignty.

 

I remain unconvinced that a unified Nationalist China would automatically present less of a postwar problem for Japan and others to deal with in Asia, and can envision situations in which it would present more.

 

Regarding the movie, I don't actually forsee it being banned in either Japan or the United States either. We shall see.

[Nobu]

 

Their passports say Republic of China on their covers. Their fighter aircraft display Nationalist Chinese roundels to identify themselves to other air forces. Their ministry of foreign affairs claims sovereignty over the same features in the South China Sea that Beijing does.

There are four lights.

That's because the weak KMT dictatorship was gifted Formosa. CKS imposed Mandarin Chinese onto the population and banned local languages. The return of previously spoken languages and recognition only started to return by the 1990s. Your original point was about birds of a feather, meaning, ethnicity. Gentically speaking, most are not Chinese. In recent surveys, almost 80% identify themselves as ethnically Taiwanese. A handful of pro-CCP spies among them doesn't mean all of them are so.

There. Are. Four. Lights.

[JasonJ]

 

 

Their passports say Republic of China on their covers. Their fighter aircraft display Nationalist Chinese roundels to identify themselves to other air forces. Their ministry of foreign affairs claims sovereignty over the same features in the South China Sea that Beijing does.

There are four lights.

That's because the weak KMT dictatorship was gifted Formosa. CKS imposed Mandarin Chinese onto the population and banned local languages. The return of previously spoken languages and recognition only started to return by the 1990s. Your original point was about birds of a feather, meaning, ethnicity. Gentically speaking, most are not Chinese. In recent surveys, almost 80% identify themselves as ethnically Taiwanese. A handful of pro-CCP spies among them doesn't mean all of them are so.

There. Are. Four. Lights.

I don't understand what you mean this time.

[JasonJ]

 

 

 

The Republic of Chinese/Taiwanese were probably just fine with the depiction of the dashed line in the SCS, however.

This is one of your troll points, always exaggerating the degree of Pro-Beijing in Taiwan.

Not Taiwan's fault that China is one of 5 permanant members on the UNSC or that China was allowed into the WTO.

 

AFAIK, that's another complication WRT the SCS dispute. Taiwan essentially has the same claims as the PRC IIRC.

WRT the Abominable movie, the only one raising the issue in the Philippines is the media, specifically Rappler, the Inquirer, and other newsies that are critical of the current Duterte regime. Anyone else doesn't give a shit about it. Sadly.

It is an interesting complication, particularly in that the dashed line claim actually originated with Nationalist China, before Japan and Japanese gave that fledgling state other more pressing matters to consider regarding Sovereignty.

I remain unconvinced that a unified Nationalist China would automatically present less of a postwar problem for Japan and others to deal with in Asia, and can envision situations in which it would present more.

Regarding the movie, I don't actually forsee it being banned in either Japan or the United States either. We shall see.

Well the chances of a unified Nationalist China is pretty much nonexisting, so that doesn't enter into the calculation.

[Nobu]

 

 

 

Their passports say Republic of China on their covers. Their fighter aircraft display Nationalist Chinese roundels to identify themselves to other air forces. Their ministry of foreign affairs claims sovereignty over the same features in the South China Sea that Beijing does.

There are four lights.

That's because the weak KMT dictatorship was gifted Formosa. CKS imposed Mandarin Chinese onto the population and banned local languages. The return of previously spoken languages and recognition only started to return by the 1990s. Your original point was about birds of a feather, meaning, ethnicity. Gentically speaking, most are not Chinese. In recent surveys, almost 80% identify themselves as ethnically Taiwanese. A handful of pro-CCP spies among them doesn't mean all of them are so.

There. Are. Four. Lights.

I don't understand what you mean this time.

Priceless.

[JasonJ]

 

 

 

 

There. Are. Four. Lights.

I don't understand what you mean this time.

Priceless.

How so?

Edited October 17, 2019 by JasonJ

[Tim the Tank Nut]

assuming it is a clever Star Trek Next Generation reference then it refers to a scene where Captain Picard is tortured. All he has to do is say that there are a different number of lights than there really are to stop the torture.

 

I can't see any application to the meme here.

[Roman Alymov]

 

Went to look for a trailer for it, one uploaded in May, and its got the 9 dash line map which also includes Taiwan at 0:17.

Alo Korea is shown united?

[BansheeOne]

I can't find the old pandemic thread back, so I'll put it here pending upgrade in importance.

 

China's new SARS-like virus has spread to Japan, but we still know very little about it

By Nectar Gan, CNN

Updated 0358 GMT (1158 HKT) January 17, 2020

 

(CNN) - Fears are mounting across Asia over the cross-border spread of a new coronavirus identified in China that has killed one patient and sickened dozens, as health authorities race to identify the source of the pathogen.

The new strain of coronavirus, in the same family as the deadly severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), originated in Wuhan, the largest city in central China. It was confirmed Thursday to have been detected in Japan, a few days after Thailand confirmed its first case of infection.

The outbreak has cast a shadow over Lunar New Year celebrations and put the rest of Asia on alert. Virologists around the world are now studying its genome sequence shared by Chinese researchers, but many questions still remain.

Researchers have yet to rule out the possibility that the virus could be transmitted from person to person, and on Wednesday, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a Watch Level 1 Alert -- the lowest of a three-tier travel health notices that warns visitors of Wuhan to "be aware and practice usual precautions."

Two cases detected outside China

On Thursday, Japanese authorities confirmed that a man who had traveled to Wuhan was infected with the virus.

The man, in his 30s, lives in the coastal Kanagawa Prefecture just south of Tokyo. He developed a high fever on January 3 while in Wuhan, and returned three days later to Japan, where he was tested positive for the virus, according to the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare.

He has since recovered and was discharged from hospital on Wednesday, the ministry said. He said he had not visited the seafood market linked to the outbreak while in Wuhan.

The confirmation comes just days after Thai authorities said a Chinese tourist arriving from Wuhan had been quarantined with the new virus, the first time it had been detected outside China.

According to the World Health Organization, the 61-year-old woman also said she had not been to the seafood market in Wuhan. But she did report "a history of visiting a local fresh market in Wuhan on a regular basis prior to the onset of illness" on January 5, the WHO said in a statement.

The first, and the majority, of the infected cases in Wuhan have been traced to the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market, which has been shut down for disinfection since January 1. Wuhan health authorities said on Wednesday that some "environmental samples" taken from the market tested positive for the virus.

Apart from fish, the market also sold other live animals, including birds, rabbits and snakes -- sparking concerns that the virus might have been transmitted to humans from animals, just like SARS and MERS.

[...]

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/15/asia/wuhan-virus-questions-intl-hnk/index.html

 

Edited January 19, 2020 by BansheeOne

[BansheeOne]

Date 22.01.2020

 

Pandemic fears grow as new coronavirus spreads

 

The World Health Organization could classify the new coronavirus outbreak, which has reached the US, as a global emergency. The virus has now infected 440 people and killed nine in China, officials said.

 

The World Health Organization (WHO) will hold an emergency meeting on Wednesday to determine whether to declare a global public health emergency over a new viral illness spread through east Asia and has reached the United States.

 

Authorities in China, where the virus originated, said the number of cases of a new virus had jumped to 440 and the death toll had risen to nine.

 

Deputy Director of the National Health Commission Li Bin told reporters on Wednesday that all the deaths were reported in the city of Wuhan in the central Hubei province.

 

The new death toll comes less than a day after the first case in the US was reported. Travelers from China are being screened for the virus.

 

The coronavirus is transmitted via the respiratory tract and there "is the possibility of viral mutation and further spread of the disease," Li said at a news conference. The commission announced measures to contain the virus as millions of people travel across the country for this week's Lunar New Year holiday, including disinfection and ventilation at airports, train stations and shopping centers.

 

"We are still in the process of learning more about this disease," said Gao Fu, an academician of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and head of the Chinese Center for Disease Control said at the same news conference.

 

Is the new virus a 'super spreader'?

 

Li said there was so far no evidence that the new virus was a "super spreader" — meaning it infects a disproportionate number of people. However, he said that it was still a possibility that was being investigated as research continues.

 

"We will step up research efforts to identify the source and transmission of the disease," Li vowed.

 

The new coronavirus has caused alarm for its similarity to SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome), which also started in China and killed nearly 800 people in total from 2002 to 2003.

 

[...]

 

https://www.dw.com/en/pandemic-fears-grow-as-new-coronavirus-spreads/a-52103638

[JasonJ]

City of Wuhan to be put under lockdown. 17 have died from it so far. Over 500 cases of it.

 

 

 

HONG KONG -- On hearing the news that Wuhan was to be placed on lockdown from Thursday morning, Angela Xie tried in vain to get out of the central Chinese city.

All air and rail tickets were either sold out or canceled, and the 26-year-old researcher is concerned she might not be able to return to Beijing for work after the Lunar New Year.

"I didn't think the situation would get so bad," said Xie, who traveled to her hometown of Wuhan from the capital by high-speed train on Monday to visit her family.

Xie is one of many Chinese trying to change travel plans because of concerns about succumbing to the new coronavirus, which broke out last month in Wuhan -- a transport hub in central China -- and is spreading rapidly across the country and beyond.

Wuhan's travel quarantine was announced just hours before it went into effect at 10 a.m. on Thursday, and involves an indefinite suspension of service at airports, train stations and intercity buses, as well as public transport within the city.

The virus has caused at least 17 deaths and infected more 500 people in China alone, with cases also reported in the U.S., South Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, Japan and Macao.

Fears among the hundreds of millions of Chinese travelers have been exacerbated by official confirmation that the strain can be transmitted from person to person and might mutate. China's National Health Commission has warned the spread of the coronavirus will "inevitably" pick up, no matter how good the preventive measures are.

An estimated 3 billion trips by rail, road and air were expected to be made in what is called the planet's largest annual human migration over the roughly 40 days around the Lunar New Year, which falls on Saturday. Most people travel to see family members, but in recent years more are taking vacations overseas.

Some people are changing destinations or modes of transport in response to the outbreak.

Just two days before a planned trip to visit her parents near Wuhan, Nicky Ji canceled her train ticket. Instead, the 35-year-old office worker in the eastern city of Hangzhou will stay with her cousin in Guangzhou.

Zoe Yang, 26, a Wuhan native who works for a state-owned company in Beijing, will have her parents travel to Jiangxi Province in eastern China rather than celebrating in her hometown.

But like many Chinese working outside of their hometowns, Li Lun believes it is worth the risk to go back to see their loved ones.

Li, a 47-year-old Beijing resident, will drive eight hours to her parent's home in Inner Mongolia to avoid the possibility of infection on a crowded high-speed train -- a journey that would take less than half the time.

The lack of awareness of the virus in the less developed parts of China, as well as among older people, contrasts starkly with the vigilance among younger residents in bigger cities.

"I wore a mask the whole time [on a five-hour train journey to Wuhan from Beijing]," Angela Xie said, adding that she had to take off her mask at the crowded train station for a security check.

Xie saw that many did not bother to wear masks at all. "There were still a lot of people in the public places, such as wet markets, buying stuff for Chinese New Year," she said.

Nevertheless, she choose to keep her mask on -- even at home -- because relatives came to visit. "I can't just tell them not to come. They all say I am insane."

When Nicky Ji traveled to Wuhan for work last week, she said that "business was going on as usual and people did not seem to be worried."

Ji had to visit several drugstores to buy 10 masks in Hangzhou, while her parents easily secured 30 masks at a pharmacy in Wuhan. She said her friends and colleagues all urged her not to go back home.

The mood in Wuhan remains calm despite confirmation that cases of the new virus has been reported in 13 provinces and provincial-level cities. But people in the city say that it is less crowded than during a normal holiday season.

Experts suspect that "super spreaders," as particularly infectious people are called, may have emerged. One patient in Wuhan infected 14 medical workers. Super spreaders accelerated the transmission of SARS and other respiratory illnesses in earlier outbreaks.

Indeed, Zoe Yang in Beijing said at least 10 people she knows have canceled plans to visit her hometown of Wuhan.

Many residents of the big cities have bitter memories of the 2002-2003 SARS outbreak.

"Beijing was like an empty city back then," said Li Lun, who has lived in the capital for 21 years. "We are taking the new pneumonia very seriously."

The owner of a public-relations company has installed advanced medical sterilizers in her home and her car, and has asked her employees to work from home instead of coming to the office.

But despite the fears, Li said she had to go home because her ailing elderly relatives would be disappointed if she did not. "It's a risk worth taking," she said.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Virus-outbreak/Wuhan-lockdown-and-virus-fears-push-Chinese-to-change-travel-plans

[Murph]

There is some thoughts that this new virus is connected to eating bats.

[Rick]

There is some thoughts that this new virus is connected to eating bats.

Let me guess, it tastes like chicken

Edited January 23, 2020 by Rick

[Mobius]

 

City of Wuhan to be put under lockdown. 17 have died from it so far. Over 500 cases of it.

 

 

 

HONG KONG -- On hearing the news that Wuhan was to be placed on lockdown from Thursday morning, Angela Xie tried in vain to get out of the central Chinese city.

 

All air and rail tickets were either sold out or canceled, and the 26-year-old researcher is concerned she might not be able to return to Beijing for work after the Lunar New Year.

 

"I didn't think the situation would get so bad," said Xie, who traveled to her hometown of Wuhan from the capital by high-speed train on Monday to visit her family.

 

Xie is one of many Chinese trying to change travel plans because of concerns about succumbing to the new coronavirus, which broke out last month in Wuhan -- a transport hub in central China -- and is spreading rapidly across the country and beyond.

 

Wuhan's travel quarantine was announced just hours before it went into effect at 10 a.m. on Thursday, and involves an indefinite suspension of service at airports, train stations and intercity buses, as well as public transport within the city.

 

The virus has caused at least 17 deaths and infected more 500 people in China alone, with cases also reported in the U.S., South Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, Japan and Macao.

 

Fears among the hundreds of millions of Chinese travelers have been exacerbated by official confirmation that the strain can be transmitted from person to person and might mutate. China's National Health Commission has warned the spread of the coronavirus will "inevitably" pick up, no matter how good the preventive measures are.

 

An estimated 3 billion trips by rail, road and air were expected to be made in what is called the planet's largest annual human migration over the roughly 40 days around the Lunar New Year, which falls on Saturday. Most people travel to see family members, but in recent years more are taking vacations overseas.

 

Some people are changing destinations or modes of transport in response to the outbreak.

 

Just two days before a planned trip to visit her parents near Wuhan, Nicky Ji canceled her train ticket. Instead, the 35-year-old office worker in the eastern city of Hangzhou will stay with her cousin in Guangzhou.

 

Zoe Yang, 26, a Wuhan native who works for a state-owned company in Beijing, will have her parents travel to Jiangxi Province in eastern China rather than celebrating in her hometown.

 

But like many Chinese working outside of their hometowns, Li Lun believes it is worth the risk to go back to see their loved ones.

 

Li, a 47-year-old Beijing resident, will drive eight hours to her parent's home in Inner Mongolia to avoid the possibility of infection on a crowded high-speed train -- a journey that would take less than half the time.

 

The lack of awareness of the virus in the less developed parts of China, as well as among older people, contrasts starkly with the vigilance among younger residents in bigger cities.

 

"I wore a mask the whole time [on a five-hour train journey to Wuhan from Beijing]," Angela Xie said, adding that she had to take off her mask at the crowded train station for a security check.

 

Xie saw that many did not bother to wear masks at all. "There were still a lot of people in the public places, such as wet markets, buying stuff for Chinese New Year," she said.

 

Nevertheless, she choose to keep her mask on -- even at home -- because relatives came to visit. "I can't just tell them not to come. They all say I am insane."

 

When Nicky Ji traveled to Wuhan for work last week, she said that "business was going on as usual and people did not seem to be worried."

 

Ji had to visit several drugstores to buy 10 masks in Hangzhou, while her parents easily secured 30 masks at a pharmacy in Wuhan. She said her friends and colleagues all urged her not to go back home.

 

The mood in Wuhan remains calm despite confirmation that cases of the new virus has been reported in 13 provinces and provincial-level cities. But people in the city say that it is less crowded than during a normal holiday season.

 

Experts suspect that "super spreaders," as particularly infectious people are called, may have emerged. One patient in Wuhan infected 14 medical workers. Super spreaders accelerated the transmission of SARS and other respiratory illnesses in earlier outbreaks.

 

Indeed, Zoe Yang in Beijing said at least 10 people she knows have canceled plans to visit her hometown of Wuhan.

 

Many residents of the big cities have bitter memories of the 2002-2003 SARS outbreak.

 

"Beijing was like an empty city back then," said Li Lun, who has lived in the capital for 21 years. "We are taking the new pneumonia very seriously."

 

The owner of a public-relations company has installed advanced medical sterilizers in her home and her car, and has asked her employees to work from home instead of coming to the office.

 

But despite the fears, Li said she had to go home because her ailing elderly relatives would be disappointed if she did not. "It's a risk worth taking," she said.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Virus-outbreak/Wuhan-lockdown-and-virus-fears-push-Chinese-to-change-travel-plans

 

11 million people locked down. No one can leave. Another city of 7 million 30 miles away also locked down.

[Stuart Galbraith]

There was a feature on CNN, where its speculated this spread from eating something inadvisable from the local market. CNN went around local market and there were kinds of strange wild animals being sold for consumption, including something that looked like a Possum. Think your local Tesco's crossed with the endangered species list and you pretty much have it.

 

Well, sooner or later they will learn a lesson. Maybe.

[Mobius]

There was a feature on CNN, where its speculated this spread from eating something inadvisable from the local market. CNN went around local market and there were kinds of strange wild animals being sold for consumption, including something that looked like a Possum. Think your local Tesco's crossed with the endangered species list and you pretty much have it.

 

Well, sooner or later they will learn a lesson. Maybe.

Chinese version of impossible burger, improbable meat.

[JasonJ]

 

City of Wuhan to be put under lockdown. 17 have died from it so far. Over 500 cases of it.

 

 

 

 

HONG KONG -- On hearing the news that Wuhan was to be placed on lockdown from Thursday morning, Angela Xie tried in vain to get out of the central Chinese city.

All air and rail tickets were either sold out or canceled, and the 26-year-old researcher is concerned she might not be able to return to Beijing for work after the Lunar New Year.

"I didn't think the situation would get so bad," said Xie, who traveled to her hometown of Wuhan from the capital by high-speed train on Monday to visit her family.

Xie is one of many Chinese trying to change travel plans because of concerns about succumbing to the new coronavirus, which broke out last month in Wuhan -- a transport hub in central China -- and is spreading rapidly across the country and beyond.

Wuhan's travel quarantine was announced just hours before it went into effect at 10 a.m. on Thursday, and involves an indefinite suspension of service at airports, train stations and intercity buses, as well as public transport within the city.

The virus has caused at least 17 deaths and infected more 500 people in China alone, with cases also reported in the U.S., South Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, Japan and Macao.

Fears among the hundreds of millions of Chinese travelers have been exacerbated by official confirmation that the strain can be transmitted from person to person and might mutate. China's National Health Commission has warned the spread of the coronavirus will "inevitably" pick up, no matter how good the preventive measures are.

An estimated 3 billion trips by rail, road and air were expected to be made in what is called the planet's largest annual human migration over the roughly 40 days around the Lunar New Year, which falls on Saturday. Most people travel to see family members, but in recent years more are taking vacations overseas.

Some people are changing destinations or modes of transport in response to the outbreak.

Just two days before a planned trip to visit her parents near Wuhan, Nicky Ji canceled her train ticket. Instead, the 35-year-old office worker in the eastern city of Hangzhou will stay with her cousin in Guangzhou.

Zoe Yang, 26, a Wuhan native who works for a state-owned company in Beijing, will have her parents travel to Jiangxi Province in eastern China rather than celebrating in her hometown.

But like many Chinese working outside of their hometowns, Li Lun believes it is worth the risk to go back to see their loved ones.

Li, a 47-year-old Beijing resident, will drive eight hours to her parent's home in Inner Mongolia to avoid the possibility of infection on a crowded high-speed train -- a journey that would take less than half the time.

The lack of awareness of the virus in the less developed parts of China, as well as among older people, contrasts starkly with the vigilance among younger residents in bigger cities.

"I wore a mask the whole time [on a five-hour train journey to Wuhan from Beijing]," Angela Xie said, adding that she had to take off her mask at the crowded train station for a security check.

Xie saw that many did not bother to wear masks at all. "There were still a lot of people in the public places, such as wet markets, buying stuff for Chinese New Year," she said.

Nevertheless, she choose to keep her mask on -- even at home -- because relatives came to visit. "I can't just tell them not to come. They all say I am insane."

When Nicky Ji traveled to Wuhan for work last week, she said that "business was going on as usual and people did not seem to be worried."

Ji had to visit several drugstores to buy 10 masks in Hangzhou, while her parents easily secured 30 masks at a pharmacy in Wuhan. She said her friends and colleagues all urged her not to go back home.

The mood in Wuhan remains calm despite confirmation that cases of the new virus has been reported in 13 provinces and provincial-level cities. But people in the city say that it is less crowded than during a normal holiday season.

Experts suspect that "super spreaders," as particularly infectious people are called, may have emerged. One patient in Wuhan infected 14 medical workers. Super spreaders accelerated the transmission of SARS and other respiratory illnesses in earlier outbreaks.

Indeed, Zoe Yang in Beijing said at least 10 people she knows have canceled plans to visit her hometown of Wuhan.

Many residents of the big cities have bitter memories of the 2002-2003 SARS outbreak.

"Beijing was like an empty city back then," said Li Lun, who has lived in the capital for 21 years. "We are taking the new pneumonia very seriously."

The owner of a public-relations company has installed advanced medical sterilizers in her home and her car, and has asked her employees to work from home instead of coming to the office.

But despite the fears, Li said she had to go home because her ailing elderly relatives would be disappointed if she did not. "It's a risk worth taking," she said.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Virus-outbreak/Wuhan-lockdown-and-virus-fears-push-Chinese-to-change-travel-plans

11 million people locked down. No one can leave. Another city of 7 million 30 miles away also locked down.

Yeah, the other city is Huanggang.

[DougRichards]

 

 

City of Wuhan to be put under lockdown. 17 have died from it so far. Over 500 cases of it.

 

 

 

HONG KONG -- On hearing the news that Wuhan was to be placed on lockdown from Thursday morning, Angela Xie tried in vain to get out of the central Chinese city.

All air and rail tickets were either sold out or canceled, and the 26-year-old researcher is concerned she might not be able to return to Beijing for work after the Lunar New Year.

"I didn't think the situation would get so bad," said Xie, who traveled to her hometown of Wuhan from the capital by high-speed train on Monday to visit her family.

Xie is one of many Chinese trying to change travel plans because of concerns about succumbing to the new coronavirus, which broke out last month in Wuhan -- a transport hub in central China -- and is spreading rapidly across the country and beyond.

Wuhan's travel quarantine was announced just hours before it went into effect at 10 a.m. on Thursday, and involves an indefinite suspension of service at airports, train stations and intercity buses, as well as public transport within the city.

The virus has caused at least 17 deaths and infected more 500 people in China alone, with cases also reported in the U.S., South Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, Japan and Macao.

Fears among the hundreds of millions of Chinese travelers have been exacerbated by official confirmation that the strain can be transmitted from person to person and might mutate. China's National Health Commission has warned the spread of the coronavirus will "inevitably" pick up, no matter how good the preventive measures are.

An estimated 3 billion trips by rail, road and air were expected to be made in what is called the planet's largest annual human migration over the roughly 40 days around the Lunar New Year, which falls on Saturday. Most people travel to see family members, but in recent years more are taking vacations overseas.

Some people are changing destinations or modes of transport in response to the outbreak.

Just two days before a planned trip to visit her parents near Wuhan, Nicky Ji canceled her train ticket. Instead, the 35-year-old office worker in the eastern city of Hangzhou will stay with her cousin in Guangzhou.

Zoe Yang, 26, a Wuhan native who works for a state-owned company in Beijing, will have her parents travel to Jiangxi Province in eastern China rather than celebrating in her hometown.

But like many Chinese working outside of their hometowns, Li Lun believes it is worth the risk to go back to see their loved ones.

Li, a 47-year-old Beijing resident, will drive eight hours to her parent's home in Inner Mongolia to avoid the possibility of infection on a crowded high-speed train -- a journey that would take less than half the time.

The lack of awareness of the virus in the less developed parts of China, as well as among older people, contrasts starkly with the vigilance among younger residents in bigger cities.

"I wore a mask the whole time [on a five-hour train journey to Wuhan from Beijing]," Angela Xie said, adding that she had to take off her mask at the crowded train station for a security check.

Xie saw that many did not bother to wear masks at all. "There were still a lot of people in the public places, such as wet markets, buying stuff for Chinese New Year," she said.

Nevertheless, she choose to keep her mask on -- even at home -- because relatives came to visit. "I can't just tell them not to come. They all say I am insane."

When Nicky Ji traveled to Wuhan for work last week, she said that "business was going on as usual and people did not seem to be worried."

Ji had to visit several drugstores to buy 10 masks in Hangzhou, while her parents easily secured 30 masks at a pharmacy in Wuhan. She said her friends and colleagues all urged her not to go back home.

The mood in Wuhan remains calm despite confirmation that cases of the new virus has been reported in 13 provinces and provincial-level cities. But people in the city say that it is less crowded than during a normal holiday season.

Experts suspect that "super spreaders," as particularly infectious people are called, may have emerged. One patient in Wuhan infected 14 medical workers. Super spreaders accelerated the transmission of SARS and other respiratory illnesses in earlier outbreaks.

Indeed, Zoe Yang in Beijing said at least 10 people she knows have canceled plans to visit her hometown of Wuhan.

Many residents of the big cities have bitter memories of the 2002-2003 SARS outbreak.

"Beijing was like an empty city back then," said Li Lun, who has lived in the capital for 21 years. "We are taking the new pneumonia very seriously."

The owner of a public-relations company has installed advanced medical sterilizers in her home and her car, and has asked her employees to work from home instead of coming to the office.

But despite the fears, Li said she had to go home because her ailing elderly relatives would be disappointed if she did not. "It's a risk worth taking," she said.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Virus-outbreak/Wuhan-lockdown-and-virus-fears-push-Chinese-to-change-travel-plans

11 million people locked down. No one can leave. Another city of 7 million 30 miles away also locked down.

Yeah, the other city is Huanggang.

 

That is what you get for eating bats.

 

https://www.rt.com/news/478997-bat-soup-china-virus-wuhan/

 

[Panzermann]

 

 

 

City of Wuhan to be put under lockdown. 17 have died from it so far. Over 500 cases of it.

 

 

 

HONG KONG -- On hearing the news that Wuhan was to be placed on lockdown from Thursday morning, Angela Xie tried in vain to get out of the central Chinese city.

All air and rail tickets were either sold out or canceled, and the 26-year-old researcher is concerned she might not be able to return to Beijing for work after the Lunar New Year.

"I didn't think the situation would get so bad," said Xie, who traveled to her hometown of Wuhan from the capital by high-speed train on Monday to visit her family.

Xie is one of many Chinese trying to change travel plans because of concerns about succumbing to the new coronavirus, which broke out last month in Wuhan -- a transport hub in central China -- and is spreading rapidly across the country and beyond.

Wuhan's travel quarantine was announced just hours before it went into effect at 10 a.m. on Thursday, and involves an indefinite suspension of service at airports, train stations and intercity buses, as well as public transport within the city.

The virus has caused at least 17 deaths and infected more 500 people in China alone, with cases also reported in the U.S., South Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, Japan and Macao.

Fears among the hundreds of millions of Chinese travelers have been exacerbated by official confirmation that the strain can be transmitted from person to person and might mutate. China's National Health Commission has warned the spread of the coronavirus will "inevitably" pick up, no matter how good the preventive measures are.

An estimated 3 billion trips by rail, road and air were expected to be made in what is called the planet's largest annual human migration over the roughly 40 days around the Lunar New Year, which falls on Saturday. Most people travel to see family members, but in recent years more are taking vacations overseas.

Some people are changing destinations or modes of transport in response to the outbreak.

Just two days before a planned trip to visit her parents near Wuhan, Nicky Ji canceled her train ticket. Instead, the 35-year-old office worker in the eastern city of Hangzhou will stay with her cousin in Guangzhou.

Zoe Yang, 26, a Wuhan native who works for a state-owned company in Beijing, will have her parents travel to Jiangxi Province in eastern China rather than celebrating in her hometown.

But like many Chinese working outside of their hometowns, Li Lun believes it is worth the risk to go back to see their loved ones.

Li, a 47-year-old Beijing resident, will drive eight hours to her parent's home in Inner Mongolia to avoid the possibility of infection on a crowded high-speed train -- a journey that would take less than half the time.

The lack of awareness of the virus in the less developed parts of China, as well as among older people, contrasts starkly with the vigilance among younger residents in bigger cities.

"I wore a mask the whole time [on a five-hour train journey to Wuhan from Beijing]," Angela Xie said, adding that she had to take off her mask at the crowded train station for a security check.

Xie saw that many did not bother to wear masks at all. "There were still a lot of people in the public places, such as wet markets, buying stuff for Chinese New Year," she said.

Nevertheless, she choose to keep her mask on -- even at home -- because relatives came to visit. "I can't just tell them not to come. They all say I am insane."

When Nicky Ji traveled to Wuhan for work last week, she said that "business was going on as usual and people did not seem to be worried."

Ji had to visit several drugstores to buy 10 masks in Hangzhou, while her parents easily secured 30 masks at a pharmacy in Wuhan. She said her friends and colleagues all urged her not to go back home.

The mood in Wuhan remains calm despite confirmation that cases of the new virus has been reported in 13 provinces and provincial-level cities. But people in the city say that it is less crowded than during a normal holiday season.

Experts suspect that "super spreaders," as particularly infectious people are called, may have emerged. One patient in Wuhan infected 14 medical workers. Super spreaders accelerated the transmission of SARS and other respiratory illnesses in earlier outbreaks.

Indeed, Zoe Yang in Beijing said at least 10 people she knows have canceled plans to visit her hometown of Wuhan.

Many residents of the big cities have bitter memories of the 2002-2003 SARS outbreak.

"Beijing was like an empty city back then," said Li Lun, who has lived in the capital for 21 years. "We are taking the new pneumonia very seriously."

The owner of a public-relations company has installed advanced medical sterilizers in her home and her car, and has asked her employees to work from home instead of coming to the office.

But despite the fears, Li said she had to go home because her ailing elderly relatives would be disappointed if she did not. "It's a risk worth taking," she said.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Virus-outbreak/Wuhan-lockdown-and-virus-fears-push-Chinese-to-change-travel-plans

11 million people locked down. No one can leave. Another city of 7 million 30 miles away also locked down.

Yeah, the other city is Huanggang.

 

That is what you get for eating bats.

 

https://www.rt.com/news/478997-bat-soup-china-virus-wuhan/

 

 

 

 

Eating anything that turns its back towards the sky except the table. Or something like that the saying goes about chinese eating habits.

[DougRichards]

 

 

 

 

City of Wuhan to be put under lockdown. 17 have died from it so far. Over 500 cases of it.

 

 

 

HONG KONG -- On hearing the news that Wuhan was to be placed on lockdown from Thursday morning, Angela Xie tried in vain to get out of the central Chinese city.

All air and rail tickets were either sold out or canceled, and the 26-year-old researcher is concerned she might not be able to return to Beijing for work after the Lunar New Year.

"I didn't think the situation would get so bad," said Xie, who traveled to her hometown of Wuhan from the capital by high-speed train on Monday to visit her family.

Xie is one of many Chinese trying to change travel plans because of concerns about succumbing to the new coronavirus, which broke out last month in Wuhan -- a transport hub in central China -- and is spreading rapidly across the country and beyond.

Wuhan's travel quarantine was announced just hours before it went into effect at 10 a.m. on Thursday, and involves an indefinite suspension of service at airports, train stations and intercity buses, as well as public transport within the city.

The virus has caused at least 17 deaths and infected more 500 people in China alone, with cases also reported in the U.S., South Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, Japan and Macao.

Fears among the hundreds of millions of Chinese travelers have been exacerbated by official confirmation that the strain can be transmitted from person to person and might mutate. China's National Health Commission has warned the spread of the coronavirus will "inevitably" pick up, no matter how good the preventive measures are.

An estimated 3 billion trips by rail, road and air were expected to be made in what is called the planet's largest annual human migration over the roughly 40 days around the Lunar New Year, which falls on Saturday. Most people travel to see family members, but in recent years more are taking vacations overseas.

Some people are changing destinations or modes of transport in response to the outbreak.

Just two days before a planned trip to visit her parents near Wuhan, Nicky Ji canceled her train ticket. Instead, the 35-year-old office worker in the eastern city of Hangzhou will stay with her cousin in Guangzhou.

Zoe Yang, 26, a Wuhan native who works for a state-owned company in Beijing, will have her parents travel to Jiangxi Province in eastern China rather than celebrating in her hometown.

But like many Chinese working outside of their hometowns, Li Lun believes it is worth the risk to go back to see their loved ones.

Li, a 47-year-old Beijing resident, will drive eight hours to her parent's home in Inner Mongolia to avoid the possibility of infection on a crowded high-speed train -- a journey that would take less than half the time.

The lack of awareness of the virus in the less developed parts of China, as well as among older people, contrasts starkly with the vigilance among younger residents in bigger cities.

"I wore a mask the whole time [on a five-hour train journey to Wuhan from Beijing]," Angela Xie said, adding that she had to take off her mask at the crowded train station for a security check.

Xie saw that many did not bother to wear masks at all. "There were still a lot of people in the public places, such as wet markets, buying stuff for Chinese New Year," she said.

Nevertheless, she choose to keep her mask on -- even at home -- because relatives came to visit. "I can't just tell them not to come. They all say I am insane."

When Nicky Ji traveled to Wuhan for work last week, she said that "business was going on as usual and people did not seem to be worried."

Ji had to visit several drugstores to buy 10 masks in Hangzhou, while her parents easily secured 30 masks at a pharmacy in Wuhan. She said her friends and colleagues all urged her not to go back home.

The mood in Wuhan remains calm despite confirmation that cases of the new virus has been reported in 13 provinces and provincial-level cities. But people in the city say that it is less crowded than during a normal holiday season.

Experts suspect that "super spreaders," as particularly infectious people are called, may have emerged. One patient in Wuhan infected 14 medical workers. Super spreaders accelerated the transmission of SARS and other respiratory illnesses in earlier outbreaks.

Indeed, Zoe Yang in Beijing said at least 10 people she knows have canceled plans to visit her hometown of Wuhan.

Many residents of the big cities have bitter memories of the 2002-2003 SARS outbreak.

"Beijing was like an empty city back then," said Li Lun, who has lived in the capital for 21 years. "We are taking the new pneumonia very seriously."

The owner of a public-relations company has installed advanced medical sterilizers in her home and her car, and has asked her employees to work from home instead of coming to the office.

But despite the fears, Li said she had to go home because her ailing elderly relatives would be disappointed if she did not. "It's a risk worth taking," she said.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Virus-outbreak/Wuhan-lockdown-and-virus-fears-push-Chinese-to-change-travel-plans

11 million people locked down. No one can leave. Another city of 7 million 30 miles away also locked down.

Yeah, the other city is Huanggang.

 

That is what you get for eating bats.

 

https://www.rt.com/news/478997-bat-soup-china-virus-wuhan/

 

 

 

 

Eating anything that turns its back towards the sky except the table. Or something like that the saying goes about chinese eating habits.

 

Leviticus seems more appealing every day