Because China

[Jeff]

Thanks!

[Mikel2]

[Mobius]

So over 1000 dead now. Swing low sweet chariot.....

[Nobu]

Miles Kwok has certainly been active in reporting higher estimates of infected and dead Chinese. A very interesting man in various ways.

[Adam_S]

There are several videos on Twitter apparently showing Chinese police in surgical masks dragging people kicking and screaming out of their homes and piling them into vans to be taken away. If real, that's not usually something you see from an outbreak that's under control.

 

Here's one, anyone know what's being said or what's written on the uniforms or vehicles?

 

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1226652765692342273

Some speculation in the comments about how those might be political arrests using the Corona virus as an excuse.

[JasonJ]

1,113 now for the official number.

[BansheeOne]

Virus Fallout From Singapore Meeting Spreads Across Europe

 

By Charlotte Ryan

9. Februar 2020, 15:05 MEZ

Updated on 10. Februar 2020, 06:01 MEZ

 

Coronavirus cases traced to a business meeting in Singapore have reached three European countries after causing infections in Asia, illustrating the challenges of containing an epidemic whose death toll is now higher than SARS.

 

A cluster of cases in France, Spain and the U.K. confirmed over the weekend all appear to have links to a French ski resort, where the infected people had contact with a British man who had just returned from the conference in Singapore. The meeting, which took place at the Grand Hyatt hotel, was organized by an unidentified company in January and attended by more than 90 foreigners.

 

The spreading pattern is reminiscent of the SARS outbreak in 2003, when a single infected doctor transmitted the disease to multiple people and it was then carried around the world. Malaysia and South Korea had already confirmed cases of the virus linked to the Singapore meeting last week, and the cluster of European cases indicates that the meeting has become a major seeding event.

 

Frances Health Ministry announced Saturday that a group of five Britons sharing a chalet in the Alps had been diagnosed with the virus, following their contact with a British man who attended the conference and tested positive after his return to the U.K. Both the U.K. and Spain confirmed further cases Sunday of Britons who had contracted the virus in France, with one patient being treated in London and another in Mallorca.

 

[...]

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-09/virus-fallout-from-singapore-conference-spreads-across-europe

 

Edited February 12, 2020 by BansheeOne

[Ssnake]

The pope is wearing these logos all the time, too.

[Ssnake]

 

and worse,

 

[BansheeOne]

Japan confirms 1st coronavirus death; taxi driver, doctor also infected

 

February 13, 2020 (Mainichi Japan)

 

TOKYO (Kyodo) -- A Japanese woman in her 80s infected with the new coronavirus died Thursday, becoming the country's first confirmed fatality, the health minister said, as more cases of infection were reported besides hundreds on a quarantined cruise ship near Tokyo.

 

The woman from Kanagawa Prefecture near the Japanese capital, who had not traveled overseas recently, was found to be infected with the virus after she died, health minister Katsunobu Kato told a press conference.

 

She had been diagnosed with pneumonia and hospitalized since Feb. 1, the health ministry said, adding her breathing deteriorated on Feb. 6.

 

The government is wrestling with the spread of the pneumonia-causing virus. On Thursday, 44 additional infections were found aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship, with thousands of passengers and crew isolated at Yokohama in the same prefecture.

 

In Wakayama Prefecture, a surgeon in his 50s became the first doctor in Japan to be infected with the virus, the local government said. It was not known whether he had close contact with visitors from China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

 

A taxi driver in his 70s also contracted the virus in Tokyo. The driver was quoted as saying by a Tokyo metropolitan government official that he had not transported foreign visitors in the two weeks before he showed symptoms and health authorities are seeking to determine how he got the virus.

 

The latest cases bring the total number of confirmed infections to around 250 in Japan. The bulk, 218, are passengers and crew of the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship docked at Yokoyama near Tokyo.

 

The tally includes foreign tourists visiting from Wuhan, the epicenter of the viral outbreak and a Japanese bus driver who had close contact with Chinese tourists in Japan.

 

[...]

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20200213/p2g/00m/0na/092000c

 

AFAIKS this brings mortality outside China to about 0.4 percent (counting Hong Kong, but not Taiwan as China).

 

Two more cases in Germany, also connected to the same company as before. The first patient has been released from isolation now as fully recovered and non-infectious. Most of the rest showed at best some mild flu-like symptoms but are inconspicious at this point and expected to be released soon, too. Only one showed a more serious respiratory inflammation, but is developing positively.

Edited February 13, 2020 by BansheeOne

[Nobu]

She was the taxi driver's mother in law, which makes sense. His not transporting foreigners points to a Japanese who traveled to the continent being the next dot to connect.

Edited February 13, 2020 by Nobu

[Mikel2]

Sounds like it has spread into North Korea.

[Adam_S]

Looks like trying to show people the truth isn't a great idea in the Orwellian Nightmare.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51486106

 

 

They are citizen journalists, wanting to provide the "truth" of what is happening in Wuhan, the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak in China.

They posted videos online, shared pictures and dramatic stories from inside the quarantined city that has been virtually cut-off from the rest of the country.

Now, they are nowhere to be found.

Fang Bin and Chen Qiushi were both determined to share what they could about the crisis, reporting from Wuhan, the capital of Hubei province, and sending what they found out into the world.

As a result, they racked up thousands of views on their videos. But their channels have now gone quiet, and those who followed them online fear they may have disappeared for good.

[JasonJ]

Heavy lift of about 2,600 personnel and supplies to Wuhan via 6 Y-20s, 3 IL-76s, and 2 Y-9s on February 13th. Up until now, 5,000 military personnel have been transported into the Hubei province.

Eight more pictures in the spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2020-02/14/content_9741869.htm

[Tim the Tank Nut]

their role could be subject to change once they are on the ground there.

That is assuming that they are going to "help" in the first place

[JasonJ]

their role could be subject to change once they are on the ground there.

That is assuming that they are going to "help" in the first place

Even 50 years can pass, it'll still may be unknown what exactly happens in there.

 

This video was released on February 5th.

 

They may have a long and very difficult wait.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

given the resources China is using to put down the spread of information compared to the resources being used to stop the spread of the virus I can't help but wonder what they are thinking at this point

[Der Zeitgeist]

Doesn't really matter much at this point, anyway.

 

It's pretty obvious now that the officially reported numbers of cases globally are wildly underestimated, because it mostly manifests as a severe cold or flu currently, where people don't bother to see a doctor and get officially diagnosed with anything.

 

I guess we can assume there's a ton of clusters globally that just don't register because it simply disappears in the noise of seasonal flu.

[BansheeOne]

AFAIKS this brings mortality outside China to about 0.4 percent (counting Hong Kong, but not Taiwan as China).

 

Well, make that 0.5. AFP reports an 80-year-old Chinese dying in a French hospital.

 

Also, welcome to Africa.

 

Egypt confirms coronavirus case, the first in Africa

 

The country's health ministry says the affected person is a 'foreigner' who is hospitalised and in isolation.

15 hours ago

 

Egypt has confirmed its first case of a deadly coronavirus that emerged in central China at the end of last year and has since spread to more than two dozen countries around the world.

 

Health Ministry spokesman Khaled Mugahed said in a statement on Friday that the affected person was a "foreigner" who did not show any serious symptoms.

 

Officials were able to confirm the case through a follow-up programme implemented by the government for travellers arriving from countries where the virus has spread.

The ministry statement said the person was hospitalised and in isolation. It did not specify the person's nationality or their point of entry.

 

The development made Egypt the first country in the African continent to report a confirmed case, and the second in the Middle East region, after the United Arab Emirates late last month diagnosed its first cases.

 

[...]

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/egypt-confirms-coronavirus-case-africa-200214190840134.html

Edited February 15, 2020 by BansheeOne

[Tim the Tank Nut]

With the locusts in Africa an introduction of Coronavirus could lead to some very interesting times. Africa is already vulnerable.

[BansheeOne]

Edited February 15, 2020 by BansheeOne

[Murph]

Is it an escaped bioweapon? ESR thinks so, I he's pretty darn smart: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8587

[Jeff]

Is it an escaped bioweapon? ESR thinks so, I he's pretty darn smart: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8587

 

I sure hope not but the fact that this started in the one city in China with the only BSL 4 facility (as far as I know) in the country is a pretty interesting coincidence. I have to admit that when I game out end of the world stuff, a Chinese bioweapon escaping from a lab in central China was one of my top of the list ideas. Maybe I'm psychic? Probably not.

[JasonJ]

One point that is not matching up is the very low amount of deaths outside of China. So it's hard to argue that the official numbers in China are far below what might be reality. There are 3,600 people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, of which up until now, 286 passengers have been tested positive. But no deaths from it yet.

 

There's a point about the big response from China in Hubei would be evidence that China's official numbers are too low and that the situation is far worse. But just like how there is quite big responses internationally despite very low death rate, a big response in China could be going in that way. In other words, the big responses are preventive measures. They don't have to be derived from worse than reported situation. They are to prevent the possibly worse situation. So they are well justified. I think there is a trap of thinking that goes with such big responses are not justified unless its actually a worse situation.

 

Although one does have to wonder how exactly the official numbers are added up, even with little mischievous CCP fingers. They had to build a new hospital in a matter of a couple of weeks. That means there are probably many people that are staying home or other residence kind of place, simply being, not at a hospital or other easy place for tallying up. There could be people dying from the virus at home are thus are not counted up. But of course, I don't know, or if it can be made known even, how the tallying up procedure goes.

 

On the other side of things, I think the mortality rate is a little misleading as well, at least not until another few months. I think it takes the ratio of total confirmed cases and deaths. After a few more months, than the result of cured or death will be reached for the many 10s of thousands of confirmed cases. When that happens, the mortality rate would jump up, but should come as no surprise because naturally the many confirmed cases are yet to be concluded. But people don't seem to be thinking that way. What we do have is the official death count and official recovered count which is currently at about 9,500 for recovered and 1,650 for dead. That ratio might be the more useful one. Which then would be a death rate of about 15%, which is a reduction. A few days ago, it was around 20%. Although, that is for all, inside and outside of China. If looking at just outside of China as of today, recovered numbers are Singapore (28), Japan (12), Thailand (12), South Korea (9), Australia (8), Malaysia (7), Vietnam (7), France (4), Macau (3), UAE (3), US (3), Russia (2), Spain (2), Taiwan (2), Cambodia (1), Canada (1), Finland (1), Germany (1), Hong Kong (1), Nepal (1), Philippines (1), UK (1), Sri Lanka (1).

 

If my fingers and eye coordination with number addition is correct, that makes 111 recovered. Deaths (1 from HK, Philippines, France, Japan each). So thats 4. Making the ratio between recovered and dead much lower at 3.6%. Or 2.7% is shifting the HK one to "inside China"

 

So then one can ask the question how recovered/dead ratio from inside China compared to outside of China can be so different. Although a similar ratio could be made for inside Hubei prefecture and the rest of China.Hubei itself has 1,596 deaths and 5,623 recovered making a ratio death/recovered at 28.3%. For the rest of China provinces, deaths are around 10 give or take each and 100s for recovered, such as for Henan province; 13 deaths/397recovered making a ratio of 3.3%. Although, Heilongjiang province stands out as quite a bit higher ratio with 11 deaths/70recovered making 15.7%. All these numbers are of course a mixture of official numbers and yet to be determined confirmed cases. But a basic point does seem to emerge that it is really just Hubei prefecture being hit hard, not all of China. So then as to why? Is the virus more deadly at the epicenter or should it not matter? Or maybe delayed response in Hubei enabled the virus the reach quantity that exceeded local medical facilities where as the very controlled flow of people outside of China enabled reduced infections thus avoiding the overloading of medical facilities? Well, the numbers may paint a very different picture in a couple of months from now, particularly the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

Edited February 16, 2020 by JasonJ

[BansheeOne]

The real problem about mortality rate is that since most infected seem to develop only symptoms of a mild cold, at best the flu (in flu season) and some seem never to fall ill at all, there's probably an unknown but potentially huge number who don't even suspect they are infected, or see a doctor at all. So the ratio of total cases to deaths may be much higher, i. e. mortality much lower than even the currently calculated 0.5 percent outside China.

 

Along the same lines, on the bioweapon thing I fail to see the use of one that kills only 80-year-olds given Western medical standards.