Free Speech In The Uk

[Chris Werb]

Robinson committed a crime after being warned not to. He got locked up after the fair application of the judicial process. We couldn't let him off just because he was a low life white fascist how ever much our Colonial friends may have wished it so.

[DKTanker]

Robinson committed a crime after being warned not to. He got locked up after the fair application of the judicial process. We couldn't let him off just because he was a low life white fascist how ever much our Colonial friends may have wished it so.

Poof, you're gone with the rest of the bigoted wingers here on Tank Net.

 

Well damn, that sucks, can't put your bigoted ass on ignore.

Edited August 5, 2018 by DKTanker

[Jeff]

Robinson committed a crime after being warned not to. He got locked up after the fair application of the judicial process. We couldn't let him off just because he was a low life white fascist how ever much our Colonial friends may have wished it so.

You used to be a pretty middle of the road, rather humorous guy, then you disappeared for a while and came back as a mean, bitter left-winger. Seriously, what happened?

[BansheeOne]

You know, Americans ragging on the UK with made-up shit for months on end despite endlessly repeated representation of facts by British posters, then having the nerve of complaining that some of the latter have turned into bitter "left-wingers", and indulging in self-pitying "Bash America" threads where they whine how everybody hates them says about all about the mechanism driving the development of relations between the US and its rapidly estranging allies in the last years.

[Brian Kennedy]

You know, Americans ragging on the UK with made-up shit for months on end despite endlessly repeated representation of facts by British posters, then having the nerve of complaining that some of the latter have turned into bitter "left-wingers", and indulging in self-pitying "Bash America" threads where they whine how everybody hates them says about all about the mechanism driving the development of relations between the US and its rapidly estranging allies in the last years.

 

I'm still very confused about how Robinson became some sort of cause celebre in the US. It's a really weird hill to die on.

[Marek Tucan]

Oh yeah, everyone who kick over your favourite troll is commie, I get it. Heck, if basically ALL the British posters here, who are otehrwise about as contrarian among themselves as possible in the best British traditions, are telling you the same, simple thing (He was not arrested for speech but for actions, fdor actions he already got slapped for before and got out of punishment by sob story, similar limits on reporting from cases are not unusual in British justice to make sure everone gets the fair trial guaranteed by laws of the land), I would stop and think whether, maybe, this may be the truth, far simpler than conspiracy webs spun by the twat himself and his friends. But hey... Everyone who does notr grant him martyrdom, sainthood and victimhood is a communist, bolivarista, corbynista etc., sure...

 

Sigh.

[Brian Kennedy]

I think it's more about people on this forum refusing to admit that they're wrong when faced with overwhelming evidence that they're wrong.

[DKTanker]

I think it's more about people on this forum refusing to admit that they're wrong when faced with overwhelming evidence that they're wrong.

Currently I think it's about a certain administrative member of tank net resorting to bigoted racist tactics to quash discussion. And yeah, your left side of the political spectrum has been using huge doses of those tactics of late. Now if you can point to anything that I've contributed to this thread regarding Robinson please feel free to cut and paste those quotes.

[Brian Kennedy]

My comment had nothing to do with you.

[rmgill]

In the end, it comes down to significant cultural differences from the US, in that you dont comment on trials whilst they are ongoing.

 

So....all you lot commenting on it and saying 'e got what was coming to 'im! Fock 'im!' which bears on a trial that has to re-occur...you're doing what then?

 

See the problem yet? You're commenting on a pending trial aren't ye?

Edited August 6, 2018 by rmgill

[rmgill]

Robinson committed a crime after being warned not to. He got locked up after the fair application of the judicial process.

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Hey Marek, is this an example of being told something by the UKians that is correct when I can read a decision from the highest court in the UK saying that Robinson was in fact locked up through a number of improper applications of British law?

 

Look at that decision. It CLEARLY defines things that were done incorrectly. Improper access to council, incorrect application of law, incorrect treatment as a convicted criminal vs someone cited for contempt, plus some problems of impartiality of the judge. We've got the decision linked in this thread and excerpted too. Or in the Other UK thread....*shrug*

 

 

Characterizing what Chris typed here as accurate and informed is like saying OKW's had a solid picture of Patton's Corps in England during Operation Quicksilver.

Edited August 6, 2018 by rmgill

[JasonJ]

 

Robinson committed a crime after being warned not to. He got locked up after the fair application of the judicial process. We couldn't let him off just because he was a low life white fascist how ever much our Colonial friends may have wished it so.

 

You used to be a pretty middle of the road, rather humorous guy, then you disappeared for a while and came back as a mean, bitter left-winger. Seriously, what happened?

Realities of life and the way disagreements are handled can make most people more hard-skinned. Can get pretty vicious because it'll cycle through other people reacting in the same way, and thus make the whole group more agitated with each other as the personal history starts to pile up on harsh disagreements.

 

Who wants beer?

 

Happy beer, not angry fist fighting wild west beer, happy beer, like at an Izakaya

[rmgill]

Need I point out that it's seemingly North American Anglophones disagreeing with the European Anglophones?

[Ssnake]

There is something wrong with the forum. It wont even let me put the page up on the laptop I use Kaspersky on.

 

Cut the Web Anti-Virus cable in the Settings, and the alarm sirens will fall silent again.

Edited August 6, 2018 by Ssnake

[Stuart Galbraith]

Blue or Red wire?

 

Thank you Nils, Ill give it a try.

Edited August 6, 2018 by Stuart Galbraith

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

You know, Americans ragging on the UK with made-up shit for months on end despite endlessly repeated representation of facts by British posters, then having the nerve of complaining that some of the latter have turned into bitter "left-wingers", and indulging in self-pitying "Bash America" threads where they whine how everybody hates them says about all about the mechanism driving the development of relations between the US and its rapidly estranging allies in the last years.

 

I'm still very confused about how Robinson became some sort of cause celebre in the US. It's a really weird hill to die on.

 

 

Almost as weird as seeing 'Free Oswald Mosley' posters.

 

Im not so surprised, there has been a history on this grate site of Americans misinterpreting British Neo Fascist groups as something else. An intelligent poster, a moderate actually, really thought the English Defence League were something akin to the American teapartyists. I know we are separated by a common language and all, but there is something feeding a wider misunderstanding of British culture.

 

That we are regarded as Socialist, 40 years after the rise of Margaret Thatcher is perhaps the most prevalent misunderstanding.

[Ssnake]

Of course, after diabling the Web AV Kaspersky will bitch and moan that an "important" security feature was disabled (one however that NEVER triggered properly, at least for me).

Edited August 6, 2018 by Ssnake

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

In the end, it comes down to significant cultural differences from the US, in that you dont comment on trials whilst they are ongoing.

 

So....all you lot commenting on it and saying 'e got what was coming to 'im! Fock 'im!' which bears on a trial that has to re-occur...you're doing what then?

 

See the problem yet? You're commenting on a pending trial aren't ye?

 

 

I was watching a TV programme last night, had one of our ex Politicians called Ed Ball's visiting the parts of America that voted for Donald Trump. Anyway, he want to a gun training centre, where they teach new gun owners responsibility in using their weapon. They featured a piece of film where a hunter, confused as to why his gun didnt fire, looked down the barrel of the gun, and was rewarded by it discharging and shooting off his hat. He got lucky. one might say for showing such crass stupidity, he probably asked to get shot in the head.

 

So by the same token, if Tommy Robinson turns up at a court and specifically does something he has already been prosecuted for and warned not to do again, one might think he asked for it. And he did. And contrary to what you, and many others have said, the system has decided that its not particularly satisfied the results of the trial were in compliance with agreed standards, and decided to hold the trial again.

Note, they are not saying they got the wrong result. They are saying they are not sure they got the right result. They are also not saying he is innocent. If he was as innocent as you believe, he would be free (and not just on bail) because he had no charges to answer. The court has decided he has charges to answer, so they are trying him again. A subtle point to us, but in legal circles, probably a herculean one.

 

Now you can point to as much political meddling as you like. The truth is, our judicial system is not like yours. In fact, there seems to be fundamental differences all down the line between how you prosecute crime and we do it. Now I can forgive ignorance, its why I usually accept what Americans say about their internal politics, because I have no understanding (or interest) in how it works. But when you keep hearing, again and again that you have got it wrong, its beholden on you to read up on how the system works. You have accepted lock stock and barrel Robinsons claims he has been setup, when quite frankly if he went out of his way to tweak the nose of the state and try to get prosecuted, it really should be no surprise to him or anyone else that the state did so.

 

Have a read up on the Crown Prosecution service, and you will note how little influence Parliament or politicians has over the judiciary. Other than in the case of national security, and I think it would be a conspiracy theorist of the weight of Fox Mulder to conceive Robinson ranks at that level.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Prosecution_Service

[Stuart Galbraith]

Of course, after diabling the Web AV Kaspersky will bitch and moan that an "important" security feature was disabled (one however that NEVER triggered properly, at least for me).

 

I installed bitdefender on my other pc, partly because kaspersky was running out, mainly because fiddling under the hood was so excessively complicated. Anyway, Ill give it a try.

 

I have to reflect its done me good to keep away from Tanknet in the present circumstances.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Need I point out that it's seemingly North American Anglophones disagreeing with the European Anglophones?

 

Speak for yourself. Im Burgundian Canajoharie Mohawk, Paleface.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

I think it's more about people on this forum refusing to admit that they're wrong when faced with overwhelming evidence that they're wrong.

Currently I think it's about a certain administrative member of tank net resorting to bigoted racist tactics to quash discussion. And yeah, your left side of the political spectrum has been using huge doses of those tactics of late. Now if you can point to anything that I've contributed to this thread regarding Robinson please feel free to cut and paste those quotes.

 

 

I think its more to do with the fact that Robinson is, though many ignore it, just what Chris says. A lowlife white Fascist. It doesnt mean he is guilty, equally it doesn't mean he should be given special treatment because it suits some people to think he is a different person than he is.

 

I mean, its right up there on the first paragraph of the Wiki entry whom he is.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_%28activist%29

Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon (born 27 November 1982^[3]), known by the pseudonym Tommy Robinson, and previously as Andrew McMaster and Paul Harris,^[4] is an English far-right activist^[5] who co-founded and served as spokesman and leader of the English Defence League (EDL).^[6] He was a member of the British National Party (BNP) from 2004 to 2005.^[1] For a short time in 2012, he was joint vice-chairman of the British Freedom Party.

 

So, he joins the BNP, which if they of sam are not aware of it, is by and large inhabits the same kind of political territory Oswald Mosleys British Union of Fascists called its own. You know, Nazi's by the old fashioned name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

 

The English Defence League are Football hooligans, whom when they arent scrapping with Millwall fans are Fascists. Think Green Street but with a sideline in politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Defence_League

 

He was chairman and founder of the British Freedom Party, which seems ultra nationalism for the middle class turned up to 11.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Freedom_Party

 

Pediga UK, again aimed at the British middle class, and an offshoot of the nearest the Germans have today to Nazi's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegida_UK

 

Is he white? Self evidently. Is he a lowlife? Well disrupting Pedophile trials and blaming the Grenfell tower victims for their own deaths by packing them in, strikes me as being suggestive of it. Is he a Fascist? Well by his own admission, he has been around right wing hate groups for his entire life.

 

You can argue about whether Chris was being sarcastic as not, but as far as being descriptive of what Robinson is, he was on target.

 

 

Lastly, and here is the point I think everyone has missed. Robinson actually admitted that yes, he did break the law.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-jailed-contempt-court-facebook-live-video-stephen-yaxley-lennon-a8374121.html

 

Tommy Robinson has been jailed for 13 months for breaking contempt of court laws with a Facebook Live video.

His sentence can be revealed for the first time after The Independent and Leeds Live fought a reporting restriction put on the case at Leeds Crown Court.

Robinson, whose real name was listed on court documents as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, was arrested outside the court on Friday.

 

He admitted committing contempt of court by publishing information that could prejudice an ongoing trial via a live stream on his Facebook page.

At one point the video was being viewed by more than 10,000 people, as Robinson attempted to film defendants entering the court and discussed the case, which is subject to a separate reporting restriction.

A judge initially banned media reports of contempt proceedings against Robinson over fears it could affect the ongoing trial, but lifted the order on Tuesday after hearing submissions that members of the public and foreign media outlets were publishing inaccurate information.

 

 

You see that? He actually admitted he did what he was charged with. One can argue about how reasonable the reporting restrictions were, but they had been put in place to safeguard the trial, and Robinson ignored it. Now I can keep repeating this ad infinitum for the next 200 pages, but if Robinson is such a cause celebre, why is it nobody can accept when he himself admits he did something contrary to the laws of the land?

[rmgill]

Im not so surprised, there has been a history on this grate site of Americans misinterpreting British Neo Fascist groups as something else.

There's a history of folks in the media characterizing ANYONE who's not center left as extreme right. I point this out AGAIN, look at how Jordan Peterson has frequently been characterized as such. The left does the same thing about the Proud Boys, except you can look at actual footage of them and see darker skinned folks among their number which belies that point entirely.

 

Nazi's are the left's devil. Labeling someone as dancing with the devil isn't a new thing.

 

 

An intelligent poster, a moderate actually, really thought the English Defence League were something akin to the American teapartyists.

Didn't it start that way and then change? UKIP is too now if you listen to folks? Anything that's not Labor or Tory is Extreme Right Wing.

 

I've sat down and listened to the right wing identitiarians. They say VERY clear things which mark them out. Richard Spencer and David Duke were both very clear. The Left's hard core racist identitarians are ALSO quite clear in what they say.

 

Folks paint Ben Shapiro as right wing, nazi type. They're either so wrong it's not funny or they're lying because it's something they think will work to impugn someone. It's more extreme than calling someone a twat because you don't like what they say but don't have the balls or intelligence to argue with what they say.

 

 

That we are regarded as Socialist, 40 years after the rise of Margaret Thatcher is perhaps the most prevalent misunderstanding.

*points at the Communist spy who leads half your government*.

Edited August 6, 2018 by rmgill

[rmgill]

I was watching a TV programme last night, had one of our ex Politicians called Ed Ball's visiting the parts of America that voted for Donald Trump. Anyway, he want to a gun training centre, where they teach new gun owners responsibility in using their weapon. They featured a piece of film where a hunter, confused as to why his gun didnt fire, looked down the barrel of the gun, and was rewarded by it discharging and shooting off his hat. He got lucky. one might say for showing such crass stupidity, he probably asked to get shot in the head.

Cherry picked single example is cherry picked. Go look at the rates of accidents with guns over the decades. Look at what other accidents cause death or injury. The CDC has very clear data.

 

 

So by the same token, if Tommy Robinson turns up at a court and specifically does something he has already been prosecuted for

Fast and loose with terms. Lord Burnett made a clear point that Robinson's offense wasn't a criminal offense. Calling it "prosecuted for" is I think mistaken.

 

 

 

Note, they are not saying they got the wrong result. They are saying they are not sure they got the right result. They are also not saying he is innocent. If he was as innocent as you believe, he would be free (and not just on bail) because he had no charges to answer. The court has decided he has charges to answer, so they are trying him again. A subtle point to us, but in legal circles, probably a herculean one.

Is it a trial or a hearing? Also it sounds like you're just describing that the trial or hearing are just a formality. He will be found guilty because everyone has decided such. 'Why stress about it eh?'

 

 

Now you can point to as much political meddling as you like. The truth is, our judicial system is not like yours. In fact, there seems to be fundamental differences all down the line between how you prosecute crime and we do it.

Well, according to Lord Burnett, the judge in the case did the equivalent of picking up the gun and looked down the barrel.

 

From where I sit, how you guys handle issues was badly done. Your highest judge says so as well. I was saying somethings looked fishy and you lot said I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about.

 

Your highest appeals court said the case was mishandled. QED.

 

 

Have a read up on the Crown Prosecution service, and you will note how little influence Parliament or politicians has over the judiciary. Other than in the case of national security, and I think it would be a conspiracy theorist of the weight of Fox Mulder to conceive Robinson ranks at that level.

Prosecutors are also politicians of a sort. Police are appointed by politicians are they not? The laws enforced are written by politicians are they not? How do you get the judges picked? Where do they come from?

Edited August 6, 2018 by rmgill

[Ssnake]

I installed bitdefender on my other pc

 

Say what you want about Kaspersky, but only after you tried getting rid of BitDefender, at least once, and be it just for shits and giggles. Last time I tried it, the nag-o-matic to renew the license was about as difficult to get rid of as a real virus.

 

Never. Again.

[rmgill]

Is it me or does it really seem like the UKians are upset that, like a cat you're trying to put into a carrier but doesn't want to go, Robinson won't be put down the memory hole?