Nerve Agent Attack In Britain.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Why not? A couple of bums from Russia were turned into national hero's by murdering a British citizen. Id rather celebrate one of our drunks for being a victim, than 2 of yours for being state approved murderers.

[Roman Alymov]

 

 

 

 

 

The point is you are using info that is long out of date to support a very poor argument.

 

Sorry but for me bureaucratic games with relabeling and splitting\merging official agencies is of little importance. By the way, how many times "KGB is FSB", "Putin is FSB" argument was used here?

[Stuart Galbraith]

https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-news/2633624/hundreds-of-exhibits-recovered-by-amesbury-incident-investigators/ The Met Police say they're expecting the searches within the cordons to take weeks, if not months.

A total of over 400 exhibits, samples and items have been taken in by officers during the novichok incident so far.

 

They're investigating the murder of 44 year old Dawn Sturgess from Durrington and the poisoning of 45 year old Charlie Rowley from Amesbury.

 

Cordons have been set up at locations like Charlie's house in Muggleton Road in Amesbury; John Baker House in Salisbury's Rollestone Street; Amesbury Baptist Centre; and Queen Elizabeth Gardens in Salisbury.

 

There have also been cars seized in Swindon, Chippenham, the Wiltshire Air Ambulance base in Semington and from Salisbury Ambulance Station.

 

 

METICULOUS SEARCHES:

We're being warned by the officers leading the investigation that it will take a while.

Yesterday (Friday July 13th), it was announced that a 'small bottle' found at Charlie's house had been recovered, tested, and found to contain the nerve agent that poisoned the couple.

 

But more searches are needed to ensure there are no further 'sources of contamination' and to gather any further evidence towards the investigation.

 

 

MOST COMPLEX SEARCH EVER:

Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu, National Lead for Counter Terrorism (CT) Policing in the UK said:

"It is not an exaggeration to say that the search process linked with both this and the Salisbury investigation has been one of the most complex and difficult that UK policing has ever faced.

 

"The work being carried out is extremely important. Not only are we trying to solve an extremely serious crime that has been committed, but we're also working to identify any potential outstanding risks to the public; all whilst ensuring that all those involved in the search process are not themselves exposed to any risk of contamination.

 

"It is painstaking and vital work, which unfortunately takes a very long time to complete, but I am sure that the public understands why it is absolutely necessary.

 

"The scientists and forensic officers have all volunteered to be a part of the search teams, knowing that they are risking themselves to exposure to a deadly nerve agent. This shouldn't be taken for granted and their bravery and dedication is remarkable."

 

Earlier this week, more details were revealed about how decontamination is carried out by the volunteers given the difficult task.

Work is also ongoing to figure out whether the nerve agent found at Charlie Rowley's house is from the same batch as used in the attack against

Sergei and Yulia Skripal in March

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We're told

'this remains a main line of enquiry for the investigation team'.

[Briganza]

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point is you are using info that is long out of date to support a very poor argument.

 

Sorry but for me bureaucratic games with relabeling and splitting\merging official agencies is of little importance. By the way, how many times "KGB is FSB", "Putin is FSB" argument was used here?

 

It's quite simple, It is no longer under state control. They sold it. I now own a part of it. It has not moved from one part of government to another it has been moved out of government control. The same as BAe which I also own part of.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Son of victim Dawn Sturgess speaks out.

 

https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/trump-should-raise-death-of-amesbury-victim-with-putin-says-grieving-son-855316.html

The grieving son of Amesbury Novichok victim Dawn Sturgess has called on Donald Trump to raise his mother’s death with Vladimir Putin.

The US president, who is on the last day of his visit to the UK, is due to meet the Russian leader in Helsinki on Monday.

Ewan Hope, 19, said he wants his mother’s killer, or killers, “to get what they deserve”.

“I don’t share Donald Trump’s politics and I’ll never be a supporter of his, but I would like him to raise mum’s case with the Russian president,” he told the Sunday Mirror.

“We need to get justice for my mum.”

The Government has blamed Russia for the failed nerve agent attack on former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury in March.

Ms Sturgess, 44, and her partner Charlie Rowley fell ill in Amesbury, around eight miles from the Wiltshire city, on June 30.

It is believed they handled an item contaminated with the Russian-made chemical weapon.

Traces of the nerve agent were found in a small bottle in the Amesbury home of Mr Rowley, 45, who remains in a serious but stable condition at Salisbury District Hospital.

Experts are trying to determine whether the Novichok that poisoned them was from the same batch used in the attempted murder of the Skripals.

Mr Hope said he had been told it could be “weeks or even months” before he is able to bury his mother, who died on July 8.

He told the paper police had informed him that the mother-of-three’s body is currently “property of the Crown”.

A post-mortem is scheduled to take place on Tuesday and an inquest into her death is set to open and adjourn in Salisbury on Thursday.

Search teams investigating the poisoning have recovered more than 400 exhibits, samples and items – with police warning that searches could last months.

Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu, national lead for Counter Terrorism Policing in the UK, described the process as “painstaking and vital work”.

Counter-terror detectives are trying to establish where the bottle came from and how it came to be in Mr Rowley’s home.

The UK has invited experts from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) to independently confirm the identity of the nerve agent.

[Roman Alymov]

 

Sorry but for me bureaucratic games with relabeling and splitting\merging official agencies is of little importance. By the way, how many times "KGB is FSB", "Putin is FSB" argument was used here?

 

It's quite simple, It is no longer under state control. They sold it. I now own a part of it. It has not moved from one part of government to another it has been moved out of government control. The same as BAe which I also own part of.

 

Is it also working for evil Gazprom and other Russian companies West claim to be "tools of Putin"? You could easyly buy part of Gazprom

[Stuart Galbraith]

Eau de Novichok. No wonder poor Dawn Sturgess got such a high dose.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44839805

 

The nerve agent that poisoned two people in Amesbury was contained in a perfume bottle, the brother of one of the victims has said.

Matthew Rowley said his brother Charlie, who is seriously ill in hospital, told him he had picked up the perfume bottle.

The Metropolitan Police, which is leading the investigation, refused to confirm the claim.

Previously the force has said only that it was found in a "small bottle".

Charlie Rowley and his partner, Dawn Sturgess, were exposed to the nerve agent on 30 June.

A murder investigation was launched after Ms Sturgess died on 8 July.

Investigators believe the incident is linked to the Novichok poisoning of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury on 4 March.

On Friday, police reiterated advice from Public Health England for people in the area not to pick up strange items - including cosmetics.

 

Matthew Rowley told BBC News he was still upset about his brother's condition after speaking to him on the telephone.

He said Charlie Rowley was "absolutely not the brother I know" though he said he was now eating solid food.

BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said the information about the bottle could be a significant clue for investigators trying to isolate the source of the nerve agent and identify who administered it.

"Where did it come from, where was it bought, is it something that is very rare, is it something that's unusual, is it something that was bought in a particular shop at a particular time?" he said.

"That could be absolutely vital for the investigation to find out who was responsible for the attack on the Skripals and also for the latest attack."

 

 

 

Also, and this is a personal thought. It probably means a woman brought it in, perhaps in a perfume case. Which suggests they likely brought the worlds most lethal poison in through Heathrow Airport. Stop and think about that for a moment.

Edited July 16, 2018 by Stuart Galbraith

[Adam Peter]

The nerve agent that poisoned two people in Amesbury was contained in a perfume bottle, the brother of one of the victims has said.

 

So we have this evil Russian nerve agent, designed for destroying every then-existing ABC suit, was kept so long under a plastic cap?

[Stuart Galbraith]

We dont actually know that Charlie Rowley wasnt contaminated as soon as he picked it up do we? We will have absolutely no idea what affect its had on the surrounding environment, till we find exactly where it was found.

 

Also, we dont actually know the nature of the bottle. Some of the high end perfumes may have a metal container and cap, which for the purposes of the assassin would probably be desirable for obvious reasons.

 

Report on the BBC that the authorities have requested the CWC to come and have a look at it.

[Paul G.]

 

The nerve agent that poisoned two people in Amesbury was contained in a perfume bottle, the brother of one of the victims has said.

So we have this evil Russian nerve agent, designed for destroying every then-existing ABC suit, was kept so long under a plastic cap?

Ehr what?

[bojan]

Parts of hysterics on novichok is that it made NBC suits obsolete as it could diffuse through rubber.

IMO BS, you need short molecules to do that, with terminal methyl groups, and that disqualifies most organophosphates.

Edited July 17, 2018 by bojan

[Stuart Galbraith]

Yes, Novichok clearly cant do that. If it could, nobody here would be using Chemical warfare suits to go through bins.

 

The Soviets clearly had an aspiration to that end to create a weapon that would go through filters. Mirzayanov in his book points to a group of guys at his research facility trying to do just that, and they got a Lenin prize for apparently achieving it. Mirzayanov investigated further and found that either the data had been falsified, or had been cherry picked, and proved that it didnt work.

 

They still kept their Lenin prize though.

 

 

I cant remember if this was actually connected with A230 series weapons, or it was work on substance 33. Probably the latter. Similar confusion occurred with Binary Weapons. Yes, they did exist, but they dont seem to have been fielded in any number by the end of the cold war, and again, it was Substance 33, not Novichok.

[Roman Alymov]

Also, and this is a personal thought. It probably means a woman brought it in, perhaps in a perfume case. Which suggests they likely brought the worlds most lethal poison in through Heathrow Airport. Stop and think about that for a moment.

No need for something most likely coming from Porton Down to go through Heathrow Airport. Especially nice is the new version of career drug abuser relating his poor health condition to perfume bottle, not another portion of drugs or general poor health - and having the time and ability of telling about it to his brother. By the way as far as i remember Yulia Skripal, initially young girl in good health, described as only exposed to tiny doze of poison on door handle, lost her memory of all events (and spent weeks in coma) - while the man, career drug addict, exposed to what is described as small bottle of poison is already able to share his memories with details so little as finding perfume bottle with his brother. How is it possible?

By the way let me remind you previous UK version (what number it is?): "The Novichok was produced in the form of a clear, odourless gel which was smeared over the handle of Sergei Skripal’s front door in Salisbury early on Sunday March 4." and "Novichok is normally administered as in gas form and kills its victims within minutes." (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5590067/Nerve-agent-used-poison-Russian-spy-designed-4-hours-work-allow-culprits-flee.html )

And now it is claimed to be in perfume bottle. So it was not odourless gel?

 

Meanwhile Novichok is becoming popular brand name

https://news.sky.com/story/distillery-releases-novichok-vodka-day-before-woman-dies-from-nerve-agent-11434070

[Stuart Galbraith]

Yes, lets look at the key line out of that story.

 

A distillery has apologized for releasing a vodka named Novichok the day before a woman died from the nerve agent.

 

 

I think it comes down to dosage. The Skripals 'just' grabbed a door handle coated with the stuff the day before, and were in a coma for well over a month. A policeman touched it the day after, and was in a coma for several week's. Dawn Sturgess, with a bottle of what she imagined was expensive perfume, probably sprayed quite liberally. That it had a different effect on all of them really shouldnt be all that surprising.

 

As for the rest, I see no way to address it without being offensive, so Ill refrain from doing so.

[Roman Alymov]

Yes, lets look at the key line out of that story.

 

A distillery has apologized for releasing a vodka named Novichok the day before a woman died from the nerve agent.

 

"But others disagreed, saying the marketing decision was "brilliant".

 

 

I think it comes down to dosage. The Skripals 'just' grabbed a door handle coated with the stuff the day before, and were in a coma for well over a month. A policeman touched it the day after, and was in a coma for several week's. Dawn Sturgess, with a bottle of what she imagined was expensive perfume, probably sprayed quite liberally. That it had a different effect on all of them really shouldnt be all that surprising.

Sprayed what, gel? I do not know how it is possible, but even if we imagine some kind of bottle able to spray smeared gel , and woman so strange to have "sprayed quite liberally" "clear, odourless gel" - then, as it is described as deadly nerve agent, why she, all inside the house and medics coming to take them out have not died on the place? As far as i remember they were initially hospitalized by regular medical service, so no NBC suits etc.

[Stuart Galbraith]

At long last, somebody asks Putin a real question. And he flounders.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/vladimir-putin-novichok-enemies-dead-12932707

Vladimir Putin asked why so many of his enemies end up DEAD as he addresses Novichok poisonings

Journalist Chris Wallace listed a number of Russians who have been targeted, including Sergei Skripal and Boris Nemtsov, a politician who was shot dead outside the Kremlin

 

Vladimir Putin has addressed the Novichok poisonings in the UK as he was asked why so many of his political opponents end up DEAD.

The Russian president slammed the 'ungrounded accusations' against Moscow over the nerve agent attack which left one woman dead and three people in comas.

And the former KGB agent failed to answer a bold question from a Fox News host about the mysterious deaths of his enemies.

In an exclusive interview , following his summit with Donald Trump in Helsinki yesterday, journalist Chris Wallace asked Putin outright why so many people who oppose him end up dead.

 

The news anchor listed a number of Russians who have been targeted, including former double agent Sergei Skripal and Boris Nemtsov, a Russian politician who was shot dead outside the Kremlin.

Putin at first claimed "we all have political rivals - I'm pretty sure President Trump has plenty of political rivals" to which Wallace replied: "But they don't end up dead."

 

Putin skirted around the question, referring instead to the assassinations of President John F Kennedy and political activist, Dr Martin Luther King Jr.

Putin said: "Haven't presidents been killed in the United States? Was Kennedy killed in Russia or in the United States? Or Mr King?

"Yes we do have crime [in Russia]... and we persecute people for these crimes."

 

He continued: "Since you mention the Skripal case, we would like to get at least some sort of a document or evidence about it but nobody gives it to us.

"It's the same thing as the accusations of meddling in the election process in America.

"We've recently heard that two more people suffered from the same nerve agent that is called Novichok but I've never even heard the last names of these persons. Who are they?

 

"What kind of package? What kind of bottle? What's the chemical formula? Who got it?

"Maybe there are reasons within the United Kingdom but nobody wants to look at the issue now, they just see the ungrounded accusations.

"Why should it be done this way? Our relationship is made worse because of this."

Yesterday, it was claimed that the nerve agent which poisoned two people in Amesbury, Wiltshire, was inside a perfume bottle.

Matthew Rowley revealed that his brother Charlie - who remains seriously ill in hospital - said he had picked up the perfume bottle, the BBC reports.

 

Labourer Charlie and his partner, Dawn, 44, fell ill at his home on June 30 after being exposed to Novicho k, the nerve agent used to poison Russian spy Skripal and daughter Yulia in nearby Salisbury in March.

A murder investigation was launched after mum-of-three Dawn died on July 8.

The claim the substance was in a perfume bottle raises the question of whether Dawn sprayed the substance on herself, the Telegraph reports.

Dawn's heartbroken son, Ewan Hope, begged Donald Trump and Theresa May to force Russia to hand over her killers.

 

 

 

 

JFK? Martin Luther King? Jesus, Trump was really thinking ahead wasnt he?

[Stuart Galbraith]

In the first 5 minutes he talks about Terrorists getting their hands on weapons of mass destruction. Oh the hilarity.

 

[Paul G.]

Yes, lets look at the key line out of that story.

 

A distillery has apologized for releasing a vodka named Novichok the day before a woman died from the nerve agent.

 

 

I think it comes down to dosage. The Skripals 'just' grabbed a door handle coated with the stuff the day before, and were in a coma for well over a month. A policeman touched it the day after, and was in a coma for several week's. Dawn Sturgess, with a bottle of what she imagined was expensive perfume, probably sprayed quite liberally. That it had a different effect on all of them really shouldnt be all that surprising.

 

As for the rest, I see no way to address it without being offensive, so Ill refrain from doing so.

She wouldn't have had to sprayed it liberally Stuart, she just would have had to sprayed and sniffed it.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Agreed, but from what we had heard, she suffered a high dosage. More so than him. So sadly, it was probably curtains for her from the start.

[Coldsteel]

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"Yes we do have crime [in Russia]... and we persecute people for these crimes."

 

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[Stuart Galbraith]

Yeah, I read it that way too.

 

He all but sneered at 'these people whom supposedly have been contaminated, we dont even know their names'. Its been in the press for 2 weeks. Dawn Sturgess has been cold on a slab for a week, and he cant be even bothered to learn her name.

[JWB]

The chemical was smuggled into the UK in a perfume vial. Some of it was mixed with a gel to make it stick to the door knob. The vial was then disposed of carelessly.

[Stuart Galbraith]

I think they just squirted it at the door actually.

 

See, you have to ask the question how much the assassin knew. Its the worlds newest and most lethal nerve agent, you smuggle it through airport security without a backward glance, and the same person (or an accomplice) squirts it on the door without a benefit of a noddy suit.

 

At this point you wonder if the FSB has a suicide squad.

[Colin]

Or they paid someone enough money, while lying to them as to the danger. Look at the KL attack on Kim's brother.

[glenn239]

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See, you have to ask the question how much the assassin knew. Its the worlds newest and most lethal nerve agent, you smuggle it through airport security without a backward glance, and the same person (or an accomplice) squirts it on the door without a benefit of a noddy suit.

 

At this point you wonder if the FSB has a suicide squad.

 

Why would a Russian nerve agent be sent through airport security when it could enter the UK in a diplomatic pouch?

Edited July 17, 2018 by glenn239