Paul G. Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Keeping it there and winning is the best symbol we could send. Didnt you see 'Escape to Victory?' Report from Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu (antiterrorist branch IIRC) says that Dawn and her boyfriend had been subjected to a high dose. Which supports the theory, or so he says, they chanced upon the container.So they either found it and moved it. Or found it, handled it and then left it where it was. Either way it doesn't appear the authorities have custody of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_S Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Novichok must be fecking evil stuff to still be lethal all these months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 Novichok must be fecking evil stuff to still be lethal all these months later. Indeed. But ive read that Nerve agent can remain persistent for weeks, even months, in the outside environment if its sheltered. The underside of fences I seem to recall somewhere. Doesnt seem very likely here. Thats why ive always figured it was the container. It fits with what they did with Litvinenko, bring in a vial, dispose of that which they dont use. Having the container would be of enormous intelligence value. It would mean we have a supply that we can adequately investigate to see what makes it tick, and not working on trace elements. Keeping it there and winning is the best symbol we could send. Didnt you see 'Escape to Victory?' Report from Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu (antiterrorist branch IIRC) says that Dawn and her boyfriend had been subjected to a high dose. Which supports the theory, or so he says, they chanced upon the container.So they either found it and moved it. Or found it, handled it and then left it where it was. Either way it doesn't appear the authorities have custody of it. The best news is, nobody else has got sick. Yet. A policeman WAS detained in Swindon for notifying them of symptoms, but it turned out to be erroneous. It has been rather hot here, which might have explained his symptoms. The point is, nobody else has got sick, so its likely either where it was, in a quarantine zone, or in their flat's, again, in a quarantine zone. If they had put it in a bin, I think it highly likely a binman would have come up sick by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Novichok must be fecking evil stuff to still be lethal all these months later. Apparently a stable substance that can last for years. Scary stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_S Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 What I find despicable is that the British goverment has not withdrawn the English team from the World cup. Keeping there only legitimizes the Putin regime. There would be a mass uprising if they tried that. This is the first tournament since about 1996 where the English football team has been halfway good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 What I find despicable is that the British goverment has not withdrawn the English team from the World cup. Keeping there only legitimizes the Putin regime. There would be a mass uprising if they tried that. This is the first tournament since about 1996 where the English football team has been halfway good. Actually, the closes football team to England would be the New England Patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Deadly chemical agents are not new to the streets of the region http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/15893615.Doctors_warn_of_super-strength_synthetic_heroin_on_the_streets_of_Wiltshire/Doctors warn of super-strength synthetic heroin on the streets of Wiltshire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 Ultimately, its a free country. The fans are free to go, as is the team. Its worth remembering the PM back in 1980 tried to stop the British Olympic team going, and they basically told her to mind her own beeswax. There are no real mechanisms to stop them. Not that I think we should anyway. After all, If Jesse Owens felt free to prove a point, so should we. Here is the latest statement from Neil Basu. http://news.met.police.uk/news/further-statement-on-investigation-into-incident-in-amesbury-and-salisbury-313688 Speaking at New Scotland Yard on Monday, 9 July, Assistant Commissioner Specialist Operations Neil Basu said:"Good afternoon, I am here today to update you about the ongoing police investigation into the incident in Amesbury and Salisbury."As you are all sadly aware, we have now launched a murder investigation after learning the devastating news that Dawn Sturgess died in hospital at 8:26pm last night."It is both shocking and utterly appalling that a British citizen has died having being exposed to a Novichok nerve agent."But make no mistake, we’re determined to find out how Dawn and her partner, Charlie Rowley, came into contact with such a deadly substance; and we will do everything we possibly can to bring those responsible to justice."Our immediate thoughts and prayers are with Dawn’s family as they come to terms with the loss of a loved-one in such unimaginable and cruel circumstances."Dawn was just 44 years old and from Durrington, Wiltshire. She leaves behind two grown-up sons; aged 19 and 23; an 11-year-old daughter; and her mother and father."Our thoughts also remain with Dawn’s partner, 45-year-old Charlie Rowley, who was also exposed to the nerve agent and remains critically ill in hospital."Both Dawn and Charlie’s families, understandably, have asked for the media to respect their privacy at this very difficult time."I would like to thank all of the extremely brave and dedicated hospital and medical staff who once again worked tirelessly trying to save Dawn and who continue to care for Charlie."This latest horrendous turn of events has only served to strengthen the resolve of our investigation team as we work to identify those responsible for this outrageous, reckless and barbaric act."The investigation is being led by detectives from the UK’s Counter Terrorism Policing Network."At this stage, they are unable to say whether or not the nerve agent found in this incident is linked to the attack on Sergei and Yulia Skripal. However, this remains our main line of enquiry."The investigation must be led by the evidence available and the facts alone. Our focus and priority at this time is to identify and locate any container that we believe may be the source of the contamination."In the four months since the Skripals and Nick Bailey were poisoned, no other people besides Dawn and Charlie have presented with symptoms."Their reaction was so severe, it resulted in Dawn’s death and Charlie being critically ill. This means that they must have got a high dose and our hypothesis is that they must have handled a container we are now seeking."Over the weekend, detailed searches have continued at a number of locations in Amesbury and Salisbury."This activity has centred on Dawn’s address at John Baker House, Salisbury; Charlie’s address in Muggleton Road, Amesbury; and Queen Elizabeth Gardens in Salisbury."Police cordons are in place at a number of locations in the area and are likely to remain in place for a considerable period of time."This is for the public’s safety as well as to allow officers access to these areas in order to gather crucial evidence for the investigation."Detectives have pieced together a detailed timeline which shows the movements of both Dawn and Charlie in the period before they fell ill on Saturday 30 June. This is crucial to our understanding."So far our understanding is that on Friday, 29 June, at around 12:20pm, they were both together at John Baker House in Salisbury."They then left and visited Salisbury before going to the Queen Elizabeth Gardens that afternoon."They both returned to John Baker House at around 4:20pm before catching a bus to Amesbury just after 10pm that night."In the absence of any information to the contrary, we believe that they then both spent the night at Charlie’s address on Muggleton Road."The next morning, at 10:15 on Saturday, 30 June, the South Western Ambulance Service was called to Charlie’s address, where Dawn had been taken ill. Charlie was present with her at that time and Dawn was subsequently taken to hospital."At around midday on Saturday, Charlie visited Boots the chemist on Stonehenge Walk in Amesbury and he returned to his house around half an hour later."At 1:45pm he went to the Amesbury Baptist Centre on Butterfield Drive and again returned home at around 3pm."Just over three hours later, at 6.20pm, Charlie was also taken ill. The ambulance service was called back to his address and he too was taken to hospital."As I’ve said before, there is no evidence that either Dawn or Charlie visited any of the sites that were decontaminated following the attempted murders of Sergei and Yulia Skripal."As the investigation progresses, we continue to build on our understanding of their movements, which is key to us establishing when and where Dawn and Charlie were contaminated."As part of this, detectives had identified a red Ford Transit van that Charlie travelled in as a passenger on Saturday, prior to falling ill."Yesterday, the military assisted us with transporting the van from a location in Amesbury to the Defence, Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down. There scientists will carry out tests on the vehicle."This has been done both as a precautionary measure and to assist investigators in piecing together the facts behind this dreadful incident."Three other men, who were also in the van that day, have been identified and contacted by police. None of them are showing any signs of having been exposed to the nerve agent or feeling unwell, and are being screened as a precaution."I am sure that you will appreciate that the investigation is painstaking, meticulous and complex, but I can assure you that we are doing absolutely everything we can to gather all available evidence."Officers have already identified and spoken to a number of people who we know were with Dawn and Charlie before they became ill."However, if there is anyone who saw them or met with them who we haven’t already spoken to, I would urge them to contact police on 0800 789 321. Their evidence is vital for both public safety and for the investigation."Clearly, everyone Dawn and Charlie were in contact with prior to them falling ill is a focus for our inquiry. The more we know about their exact movements, the better, so please contact."We continue to work extremely closely with public health and scientific experts to continually monitor and assess the ongoing levels of risk to the public as the investigation progresses."Whilst I simply can’t offer guarantees, last night Public Health England emphasised that the risk to the general public at this time remains low."I do, however, recognise there will still be people in the local area with concerns, but there is detailed advice which can be found on the Public Health England website. Part of this advice is not to pick up any strange items such as needles, syringes or unusual containers."It’s also important to note that whilst 21 other people have presented with concerns they have all been screened and given the all-clear."I would like to thank the public for their ongoing support and patience while this important work continues in Salisbury and Amesbury. The people of Wiltshire have shown tremendous stoicism."Wiltshire Police has established a helpline which can offer further advice, call 0800 092 0410. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_S Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 What I find despicable is that the British goverment has not withdrawn the English team from the World cup. Keeping there only legitimizes the Putin regime. There would be a mass uprising if they tried that. This is the first tournament since about 1996 where the English football team has been halfway good. Actually, the closes football team to England would be the New England Patriots Sigh. For the benefit of Americans, Australians and other uneducated types. This is a ball. Notice, how a ball is a round shape. This is a foot. In any civilised country, it's reasonable to assume that a game called football involves a round, ball-like thing coming into contact with a foot on at least a reasonably regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiloMorai Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 What I find despicable is that the British goverment has not withdrawn the English team from the World cup. Keeping there only legitimizes the Putin regime. There would be a mass uprising if they tried that. This is the first tournament since about 1996 where the English football team has been halfway good. Actually, the closes football team to England would be the New England Patriots What I find despicable is that the British goverment has not withdrawn the English team from the World cup. Keeping there only legitimizes the Putin regime. There would be a mass uprising if they tried that. This is the first tournament since about 1996 where the English football team has been halfway good. Actually, the closes football team to England would be the New England Patriots No, that would be the New England Revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 What I find despicable is that the British goverment has not withdrawn the English team from the World cup. Keeping there only legitimizes the Putin regime. There would be a mass uprising if they tried that. This is the first tournament since about 1996 where the English football team has been halfway good. Actually, the closes football team to England would be the New England Patriots Sigh. For the benefit of Americans, Australians and other uneducated types. This is a ball. Notice, how a ball is a round shape. This is a foot. In any civilised country, it's reasonable to assume that a game called football involves a round, ball-like thing coming into contact with a foot on at least a reasonably regular basis. Japan calls it sakkaa サッカー Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Deadly chemical agents are not new to the streets of the regionhttp://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/15893615.Doctors_warn_of_super-strength_synthetic_heroin_on_the_streets_of_Wiltshire/Doctors warn of super-strength synthetic heroin on the streets of Wiltshire Given that there have been cases of this drug already, its probably identifiable different from what happened to the couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 I dont believe the Antiterrorist Branch would be involved, and another chunk of wiltshire taped off if it was just for a drugs overdose, of which im sure Wiltshire Hospitals are more than capable of diagnosing. Theory no 32. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul G. Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Novichok must be fecking evil stuff to still be lethal all these months later.Its not its lethality that makes it persistent. It doesn't off-gas like other agents (VX), especially not in the dust form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 Ive read that it can settle into wood a treat, which is why Porton Down held onto the Salisbury Park bench. But again, we know so little about the damn stuff, much of it is supposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briganza Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Deadly chemical agents are not new to the streets of the regionhttp://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/15893615.Doctors_warn_of_super-strength_synthetic_heroin_on_the_streets_of_Wiltshire/Doctors warn of super-strength synthetic heroin on the streets of Wiltshire Given that there have been cases of this drug already, its probably identifiable different from what happened to the couple. This is the current deflection comming out of Moscow. It ignores the report that NA was found on the hand of both recent casualties and in greater strength than the first ones. We may also see the claim that it is the UKs fault for not clearing up the first incident properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 I read on the front page of a paper yesterday that the second victim has only days to live. Which is not what was said about the Skripals, bad way though they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Deadly chemical agents are not new to the streets of the regionhttp://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/15893615.Doctors_warn_of_super-strength_synthetic_heroin_on_the_streets_of_Wiltshire/Doctors warn of super-strength synthetic heroin on the streets of Wiltshire Given that there have been cases of this drug already, its probably identifiable different from what happened to the couple. Since there is no way to know what happened to the couple unless official reports, and my personal trust to official reports is next to zero.... Situation is following as for me: couple of career alcohol & substances abusers, living in the area of known presence of dangerous synthetic drugs, not far from major chemical weapons development centre and with strong family links to another DERA research centre personnel with high security clearance, fell ill for unknown reasons right in time of major UK Gov crisis coming (related to Brexit, with tens of billions and prospects of UK as international power at stake). Now UK officials (and media) are trying to invent ways to link this case to another , equally suspicious, case four month ago, that was also used for political purposes ... Please tell me what is wrong in this description of the situation." Caroline, a steward with security clearance who works at the RAF base Boscombe Down near Salisbury, is the main carer for Dawn’s 10-year-old daughter Grace. .....Dawn’s two sons, Aidan, 23, and Ewan, 19, live with their father Andrew Hope, 46, a senior systems engineer also with high-level security clearance who works at Boscombe Down."https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/07/07/494969/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 Police just seized a car in Swindon, only about 20 miles down the road from me. Going to Mopp4. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/amesbury-poisoning-detectives-investigating-novichok-death-seize-car-in-swindon-as-police-admit-a3883191.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Tucan Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Police just seized a car in Swindon, only about 20 miles down the road from me. Going to Mopp4. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/amesbury-poisoning-detectives-investigating-novichok-death-seize-car-in-swindon-as-police-admit-a3883191.htmlGot cricket bat at the ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 Nah, im making for the Rec room for when the Sandworms turn up. Cant be long now. Turns out it was a car that belonged to a paramedic whom attended. Quite a nice Audi actually, or was.https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/986497/amesbury-poisoning-latest-news-swindon-salisbury-novichok-dawn-sturgess-charlie-rowley There was also another car seized from a member of the public that Charlie Rowley was reportedly given a ride in, not clear if he was contaminated at the time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glappkaeft Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 What I find despicable is that the British goverment has not withdrawn the English team from the World cup. Keeping there only legitimizes the Putin regime. There would be a mass uprising if they tried that. This is the first tournament since about 1996 where the English football team has been halfway good. Actually, the closes football team to England would be the New England Patriots Sigh. For the benefit of Americans, Australians and other uneducated types. This is a ball. Notice, how a ball is a round shape. I have always been partial to handoval if american football is too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Tucan Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I read on the front page of a paper yesterday that the second victim has only days to live. Which is not what was said about the Skripals, bad way though they were.By today's news he woke up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 Yeah, note to self, never trust a British tabloid. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/amesbury-novichok-victim-charlie-rowley-conscious-not-woods-161800483.html?guccounter=1 The man who fell ill after he was exposed to the nerve agent novichok in Amesbury has made a "small but significant improvement".Charlie Rowley is now conscious, but is in a critical but stable condition, Salisbury District Hospital has said.Lorna Wilkinson, director of nursing at the hospital, said on Tuesday: "We have seen a small but significant improvement in the condition of Charlie Rowley. He is in a critical but stable condition, and is now conscious."While this is welcome news, clearly we are not out of the woods yet. Charlie is still very unwell and will continue to require specialist, round-the-clock care here at Salisbury District Hospital."Charlie's partner, 44-year-old Dawn Sturgess, died on Sunday evening after also being exposed to novichok.The pair fell ill at Rowley's home in Amesbury, near Salisbury, on 30 June Supposedly she had a rep for picking up rubbish and putting it in bins. Helpful like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Still best explained as left overs from a botched hit paid for by Russian oligarch/gangsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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