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There was also a couple of priceless examples in the press preview on SkyNews, where one of them said the British Government is probably wishing they never find out who did it, because then they would have to do something about it.

 

Ive often asked myself how Britain remained so clueless and disinterested throughout the 1930's right up to 1939. Its no longer a mystery to me. Im sure King Harold had exactly the same problem.

 

 

I was listening to the BBC last night, supposedly one of his close friends claimed he spent much of his time on his computer playing WW2 tank games. So would appear to be a fan of World of Tanks. :)

 

Sometimes you can be too polite for your own good.

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Those evil russians seized the best of Porton Down since VX, showed it off, and will use it next week when Jobar will fall. Now even the blind will be able to connect the dots.

 

It is sure next gen of nerve agents, after poisoning it gives time to the victim to carry it into the nest - like how the rat ant poison works.

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Those evil russians seized the best of Porton Down since VX, showed it off, and will use it next week when Jobar will fall. Now even the blind will be able to connect the dots.

 

It is sure next gen of nerve agents, after poisoning it gives time to the victim to carry it into the nest - like how the rat ant poison works.

Nice timing - right at the brink of emerging trade war between US and "the rest of the world" over steel and aluminum, when US need to show Old Europe how badly they need USA; prior to World Football Championship in Russia and presidential elections in Russia (plus, may be, another attempt by pro-Ukrainians to attack pro-Russians); prior to major rebel enclave in Syria to fall; in process of Turkey pressing US allies in Syria and openly threatening US forces. Nice target - useless old Russian on UK taxpayers payroll playing WOT and consulting anti-Trump report, nobody would really regret him. The only question is why so many casualties around while target still alive - may be it is the same level of competence demonstrated by bombing tribal weddings and discussing "Gerasimov's doctrine"?

By the way prison term of this old man expired last year, so if not exchanged he would stay alive as just another pensioner with criminal record.

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Possibly because the application of the binary pre-cursers to the G-agent (or what ever it was) was not a proper and thorough mix.

I'm spitballing here, but you can see poor epoxy adhesion or curing due to poor mixing.

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Hasmat teams seem to be visiting zizi's restaurant again. Detective Sgts Baileys Vauxhall car has been recovered. Some good photos here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5484939/Chemical-teams-prepare-ENTER-Zizzi-spy-meal.html

 

There seems to be emerging cross party support for sanctions on Russian oligarchs in the UK if Russia is indeed repsonsible (and possibly even if they are not). McMafia seems to have made one hell of an impression.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5481713/Calls-grow-UK-freeze-assets-London-based-Russian-oligarchs.html

 

Given the number of Russian owned flats in London, clamping down on foreign owned property in central London would be a pretty good way to indulge in a bit of tit for tat.

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If the UK decides the Russian government is responsible, having some "hooligans" beat an FSU agent to death in back alley would a adequate message back.

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Traitors tend to die young.

 

Im thinking, he probably isnt a traitor. I mean with that kind of record fighting for your country, and you suddenly turn around and spy for MI6? I dont buy it.

 

There was an intriguing thing I read the other day about the FSB and GRU relationship. Apparently in the mid 1990s, the GRU was absolutely furious to see a list of its agents being printed in the press. So they went and tracked down whom released it, and funnily enough, it turned out to be the FSB. They apparently had a less than cordial relationship at the time. Still do for that matter.

 

What if Skripal was leaking information about the FSB, not least its corrupt practices, and nothing about the GRU and the Army? In which case, it would make him more a victim of Bureaucratic infighting than a traitor. I mean, look at his house. This is not a man who got rich on espionage.Gordievsky got rich, but not this fella.

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Hasmat teams seem to be visiting zizi's restaurant again. Detective Sgts Baileys Vauxhall car has been recovered. Some good photos here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5484939/Chemical-teams-prepare-ENTER-Zizzi-spy-meal.html

 

There seems to be emerging cross party support for sanctions on Russian oligarchs in the UK if Russia is indeed repsonsible (and possibly even if they are not). McMafia seems to have made one hell of an impression.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5481713/Calls-grow-UK-freeze-assets-London-based-Russian-oligarchs.html

 

Given the number of Russian owned flats in London, clamping down on foreign owned property in central London would be a pretty good way to indulge in a bit of tit for tat.

 

 

I mean, we dont know yet. The circumstantial evidence all points in that direction, but there could be potentially other possibilities. The thing is, to take time over this, cross every T, dot every i. And then when we know, 110 percent know, for sure, absolutely fucking crucify them. We leave them so poor they all have to have paupers funerals.

 

Bellicose? Not really. Im just taking a note out of Putins book. We dont have to go around poisoning people to be ruthless.

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Possibly because the application of the binary pre-cursers to the G-agent (or what ever it was) was not a proper and thorough mix.

 

I'm spitballing here, but you can see poor epoxy adhesion or curing due to poor mixing.

 

Ive read somewhere that it can take up to an hour for nerve agents to go through the skin.

 

The really odd thing that's been noticed, supposedly Sergei Skripal was the target, yet it seems he and his daughter became ill at the same time. Which would seem to suggest they were contaminated at pretty much the same time too.

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Hasmat teams seem to be visiting zizi's restaurant again. Detective Sgts Baileys Vauxhall car has been recovered. Some good photos here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5484939/Chemical-teams-prepare-ENTER-Zizzi-spy-meal.html

 

There seems to be emerging cross party support for sanctions on Russian oligarchs in the UK if Russia is indeed repsonsible (and possibly even if they are not). McMafia seems to have made one hell of an impression.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5481713/Calls-grow-UK-freeze-assets-London-based-Russian-oligarchs.html

 

Given the number of Russian owned flats in London, clamping down on foreign owned property in central London would be a pretty good way to indulge in a bit of tit for tat.

 

Taking into account whom this flats are owned by, it would be nice if UK not only confiscate this flats, but also put their owners to jail.

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Well the good folk of Grenfell tower are all looking for somewhere to live, so perhaps we can kill several birds with one stone. Wonder how many we could fit in Abramovich's place. :)

I think anti-corruption and counter-intelligence services of not only Russia, but also countries from China to Nigeria would love to see this (see for example Skripal himself, who was owner of house abroad while spying in Russia - now spies will not have such luxury). Note Russian Parliament have repeatedly turned down Communist -proposed law that ban officials from owning property abroad, so if Britts do this it will be nice and very helpful.

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Traitors tend to die young.

 

Im thinking, he probably isnt a traitor. I mean with that kind of record fighting for your country, and you suddenly turn around and spy for MI6? I dont buy it.

 

There was an intriguing thing I read the other day about the FSB and GRU relationship. Apparently in the mid 1990s, the GRU was absolutely furious to see a list of its agents being printed in the press. So they went and tracked down whom released it, and funnily enough, it turned out to be the FSB. They apparently had a less than cordial relationship at the time. Still do for that matter.

 

What if Skripal was leaking information about the FSB, not least its corrupt practices, and nothing about the GRU and the Army? In which case, it would make him more a victim of Bureaucratic infighting than a traitor. I mean, look at his house. This is not a man who got rich on espionage.Gordievsky got rich, but not this fella.

 

 

I was just quoting wisdom shared on Russian TV.

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Nerve Agent. The gift that keeps on giving.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/sergei-skripal-poisoning-zizzi_uk_5aa4e840e4b01b9b0a3c1b35

 

Diners and pub-goers in Salisbury have been warned to wash their possessions after traces of the nerve agent used to poison ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter were found in the city.

Public Health England (PHE) issued the “precautionary advice” to anyone who visited The Mill pub or the nearby Zizzi restaurant between 1.30pm last Sunday (March 4) and closing time Monday (March 5).

Dr Jenny Harries, PHE Deputy Medical Director, confirmed that investigators had discovered “some limited contamination” in the pub and the Italian eatery.

 

But experts reassured the public there is “no immediate health risk” to anyone who had visited the two outlets.

“Anyone who visited The Mill pub or Zizzi restaurant where the two affected individuals were can be reassured that this limited exposure will not have harmed their health to date,” Harries said.

“However, there may be a very small health risk associated with repeated contact with belongings which may have been contaminated by this substance.”

Locals who visited the bar or the restaurant during the time frame have been advised to:

  • Wash any clothing worn at the time
  • Store any items which would usually be dry cleaned in two tied plastic bags, with further advice on how to clean these clothes set to be released at a later date
  • Wipe personal items such as handbags, phones and other devices with cleansing or baby wipes, which should then be binned
  • Items which cannot be cleaned in the washing machine or with baby wipes should be hand washed with warm water and detergent before being rinsed with cold water.

“Please thoroughly wash your hands with soap and water after cleaning any items,” the advice added.

 

The warning comes after photos from Salisbury revealed that the Zizzi restaurant in the city centre - where Skripal and his daughter are believed to have dined hours before they collapsed - had been cordoned off from the public.

The pair, who collapsed last Sunday, are still fighting for their lives after being exposed to a toxic substance.

Meanwhile Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey - who fell seriously ill after tending to Skripal and Yulia - also remains in hospital.

 

Police said that 21 people, including members of the public and emergency staff, had been seen for medical treatment since the incident last week, which is being treated as attempted murder.

Zizzi’s is one of a handful of locations in the city at the centre of the investigation, as well as Skripal’s house and the cemetery where his wife and son are buried.

 

There was further police activity at the London Road cemetery on Saturday, where officers in hazmat suits had removed items and covered his son’s memorial stone with a forensic tent.

Scotland Yard said that no exhumations had taken place.

On Sunday morning, Wiltshire Police revealed they have charged a man who breached one of the cordons in the city.

Jamie Knight, 30, from Salisbury, breached the cordon on The Maltings shopping centre - where Skripal and his daughter were found - on Friday evening.

A police spokesman said: “He was swiftly arrested and has now been charged with assaulting a police officer, common assault, criminal damage to a police vehicle and a racially aggravated public order offence.

“Robust action will be taken against anyone who breaches or interferes with any cordon or the ongoing police investigation.”

Knight has been remanded in custody and will appear before magistrates on Monday morning, officers said.

 

The news comes as the military remains in Salisbury for a third day to aid counter-terror police with the probe.

Soldiers were seen at the South Western Ambulance Service station on Saturday after a vehicle was winched on to the back of an Army low-loader and taken away.

Meanwhile, officers investigating the suspected nerve agent attack have identified more than 240 witnesses and 200 pieces of evidence, Home Secretary Amber Rudd said yesterday (Saturday).

 

Speaking following a meeting of the government’s emergency Cobra committee, Rudd said more than 250 officers from eight of the country’s 11 counter-terrorism units are involved in the enquiry.

However, she said it was still too early to say who was responsible for the attack.

“This investigation is focused on making sure that we keep people safe and also that we collect all the evidence so that when it comes to attribution (of the attack) we will be absolutely clear where it should be,” Rudd said.

She added: “There is also substantial amounts of CCTV they have to go through. This is a painstaking, detailed investigation and the police need to be given the space and time to get on with it.”

Meanwhile, the Bishop of Salisbury called the attack a “violation” of the city.

Prayers are to be said for those affected later during services at the city’s cathedral.

The Rt Rev Nicholas Holtam told BBC Radio Solent: “There has been a violation of this place and this community and it is more than an attack on individuals.”

He said it was not helpful to speculate on who is responsible, but added: “I do assume that the number of military involved here at the moment isn’t just about making sure Salisbury’s decontaminated, but is trying to be really clear about where this nerve agent came from and how it might have been administered.”

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Slowly and inexorably the political environment changes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43363165

Labour's Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell has said he won't be making any more appearances on Kremlin-sponsored TV station Russia Today.

He said RT's coverage "goes beyond objective journalism" and it was "right", after events in Salisbury, that Labour MPs did not appear on it.

A party spokesman said: "We are keeping the issue under review".

Mr McDonnell also backed visa sanctions against Russians suspected of corruption.

Chancellor Philip Hammond suggested a deal could be reached with Labour to bring in sanctions.

But he rejected a call from the widow of murdered Alexander Litvinenko for the Conservatives to pay back more than £820,000 donated by Russian-linked business people since Prime Minister Theresa May came to power.

He told the BBC's Andrew Marr there were "very strict rules" governing donations to UK political parties.

"Only British citizens who are on the electoral register can make donations to parties" and those donations are "carefully vetted" and "reported to the Electoral Commission" he said.

"There are people in this country who are British citizens who are of Russian origin - I don't think we should taint them, we should tar them with Putin's brush.

"We should recognise that people come to this country from many places, they become British citizens, they live under UK law and they should have full participation rights in our society once they're British citizens."

It came after Marina Litvinenko warned the government: "You need to be very selective who you are friends with.

"When you allow people with money to come to your country to make a business, you need to make sure where the money has come from."

Mrs Litvinenko said the UK government's response to the murder of husband, an outspoken critics of Vladimir Putin who was fatally poisoned in 2006, had not been strong and enough and lessons had not been learned.

Mr Hammond, who was foreign secretary at the time of Mr Litvinenko's death, said "we took measures which are still in place today" but he said the Russian government continued to protect the suspects the UK wanted to extradite to stand trial for his murder.

Asked by Andrew Marr if the Russians "were laughing at us" and believed they could act without implications in the UK, he said: "Nobody is laughing at us - this is a very serious investigation that is going on and let's see where it leads us."

Labour has been under fire for some time from the Conservatives over appearances by its MPs and spokespeople on RT UK.

Mr McDonnell said he had appeared on the rolling news channel in the past to raise certain issues but he added: "I've been looking overnight... in terms of changes in coverage on Russian television, in particular, and I think we have to step back now."

He added: "I can understand why people have [appeared on RT] up until now because we have treated it like every other television station.

"We tried to be fair with them and as long as they abide by journalistic standards that are objective that's fine but it looks as if they have gone beyond that line, so yes, we will have that discussion."

He called on the government to pass a British version of the US Magnitsky Act - which punishes Russians involved in corruption - if the Kremlin is found to be behind the poisoning in Salisbury.

He said that the Labour Party had already moved amendments to the Money Laundering Bill currently going through parliament to introduce Magnitsky clauses - amendments he said were opposed by the Conservative Party.

"We hope now they'll enable us to bring those amendments back at the Report stage of the bill" he said.

Chancellor Philip Hammond said introducing Magnitsky clauses was not "strictly necessary".

"The home secretary already has the power to exclude individuals from the UK if she believes that their presence here is not conducive to the national security or the public good.

"But we're seeking to reach an accommodation with those who have put this amendment forward.

"Let's see if we can come to a proposal that works for everybody."

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Report on BBC that Zizi's restaurant in Salisbury may be closed for Months. Presumably the same will be the case for the Mill Pub. The table they sat at in the resturant was reportedly so contaminated it had to be destroyed.

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Ive read somewhere that it can take up to an hour for nerve agents to go through the skin.

"The VX victim, whom Shoko Asahara had suspected as a spy, was attacked at 7:00 am on December 12, 1994 on the street in Osaka by Tomomitsu Niimi and another AUM member, who sprinkled the nerve agent on his neck. He chased them for about 90 metres (100 yd) before collapsing, dying 10 days later without ever coming out of a deep coma." Source

 

"Poisoning takes longer when the nerve agent enters the body through the skin. Nerve agents are more or less fat-soluble and can penetrate the outer layers of the skin. However, it takes some time before the poison reaches the deeper blood vessels. Consequently, the first symptoms do not occur until 20-30 minutes after the initial exposure but subsequently the poisoning process may be rapid if the total dose of nerve agent is high." Source

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On the other hand, Russian spies who worked against the SU/Russia are killed in other countries, too? I don't find anything about this. It is mentioned in the press that other persons set free in this spy exchange are still living, unharmed.

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Report on BBC that Zizi's restaurant in Salisbury may be closed for Months. Presumably the same will be the case for the Mill Pub. The table they sat at in the resturant was reportedly so contaminated it had to be destroyed.

Given the hazard, I would expect that ANYTHING that's remotely organic and porous would have to be considered irrevocably contaminated. Porous inorganic surfaces could probably be decontaminated, but I can see that being not entirely 100%.

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On the other hand, Russian spies who worked against the SU/Russia are killed in other countries, too? I don't find anything about this. It is mentioned in the press that other persons set free in this spy exchange are still living, unharmed.

 

Well not a spy, but I can think of one off the top of my head that was possibly an assassination

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35781333

Interestingly his son produced 'Fury' starring Brad Pitt.

 

There hasnt been any spies killed before, and it would be a hugely stupid thing to do. After all, if it hadnt been for Skripal, Anna Chapman would still be in a US prison. So next time they want a spy swap, we got and tell them where to get off, and suddenly they realize the damage they have done to themselves.

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Report on BBC that Zizi's restaurant in Salisbury may be closed for Months. Presumably the same will be the case for the Mill Pub. The table they sat at in the resturant was reportedly so contaminated it had to be destroyed.

Given the hazard, I would expect that ANYTHING that's remotely organic and porous would have to be considered irrevocably contaminated. Porous inorganic surfaces could probably be decontaminated, but I can see that being not entirely 100%.

 

 

Guess we can probably kiss goodbye to the park bench then. Happily the Pet Rabbits got a bit luckier.

https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-news/2524491/updated-race-to-save-pet-rabbits-imprisoned-by-police-cordon/

 

There is a report on Skynews that Theresa May is 'close' to blaming Russia for the crime, but I wont link it. Personally im dissatisfied with the UK media and their handling of this for the most part. Its such an important story and with so few details, its notable they have been doing a lot of filling in. One report on sky showed what was apparent video footage of the 2 people with an unidentified 3rd. What they didnt notice, and was self evident, is that they woman they identified as Yulia Skripal has a dog, of which there has been no mention anywhere in the reports. It was the wrong people.

 

So personally Ill hold off linking anything that suggests any such thing, till it IS announced. Theresa May is having a National Security Council meeting Today, so perhaps we will know more then.

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Well, now its official. it was from the Novichok range of Battlefield Nerve weapons, and it was probably the Russian Government that did it.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-pm-set-to-blame-kremlin-as-she-chairs-spy-poisoning-meeting-11286994

 

Government has demanded to know what has happened from the Russian Ambassador by Tomorrow. The conclusion is, either Russia did it, or they have lost control of their chemical weapons stocks.

 

Just in case anyone is interested of course. Im sure Battlefield Chemical weapons get used on the streets of Europe and America every day of the week.

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Just in case anyone is interested of course. Im sure Battlefield Chemical weapons get used on the streets of Europe and America every day of the week.

Let me remind you there is significant difference between "Battlefield Chemical weapons get used" and "UK Government claim Battlefield Chemical weapons get used". Here we have latter case - just as Iraq WMD, Syria chemical attacks and so on.

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