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23 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

Gov. Abbott is a weird duck. Most of the time he is semi-inert, with periodic flashes of testosterone.

 

Looks to me that the combination of open carry and stand your ground means that if two people, both armed, get into any dispute the one that wins is the one that kills first, always being able to claim that the other was a threat due to the open gun they were carrying as the dispute got more heated.   Is that a stable system, or one that rewards shooting first and claiming to be threatened later?

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More or less, somewhat discretionary in that the Governor can pardon anyone, but the most common method is to accept the Pardons and Parole board suggestions.  

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7 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

Looks to me that the combination of open carry and stand your ground means that if two people, both armed, get into any dispute the one that wins is the one that kills first, always being able to claim that the other was a threat due to the open gun they were carrying as the dispute got more heated.   Is that a stable system, or one that rewards shooting first and claiming to be threatened later?

Yes, but any killing has to be investigated.  The DA in Austin hid evidence from the Grand Jury and Jury that would have made all the difference in the world.  He is a VERY VERY left wing DA.  

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1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

Looks to me that the combination of open carry and stand your ground means that if two people, both armed, get into any dispute the one that wins is the one that kills first, always being able to claim that the other was a threat due to the open gun they were carrying as the dispute got more heated.   Is that a stable system, or one that rewards shooting first and claiming to be threatened later?

Read the comments here;

https://www.reddit.com/r/moderatepolitics/comments/hycfz9/armed_blm_protester_shot_dead_at_austin/?rdt=57019

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I work literally two blocks from the incident as a security guard, the car turned aggressively and then slammed on his brakes and started honking his horn, him honking his horn made the protesters surround his car Foster then ran over pointed his rifle at the car and the driver shot him 5 times, the 3 shots you hear later in the video are from a 3rd party that shot at the car when it was driving off. Guy with the rifle was in the wrong and was unlucky he pointed his gun at someone armed.

 

Also, crappy video here;

 

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On 5/18/2024 at 9:43 AM, glenn239 said:

Looks to me that the combination of open carry and stand your ground means that if two people, both armed, get into any dispute the one that wins is the one that kills first, always being able to claim that the other was a threat due to the open gun they were carrying as the dispute got more heated.   Is that a stable system, or one that rewards shooting first and claiming to be threatened later?

Not quite. The nature of the dispute is key. 
 

One doesn’t have a legal right to stop traffic while armed as part of a protest. Thats not protected behavior or a lawful protest. And if one is part of a mob, making a threatening set of statements or gestures is sure to get you shot by the people you are stopping and arguably threatening. 
 

Disparity of force is a factor. With a mob against a single person it is a serious factor in lawful use of deadly force. 
 

That one of that mob was armed with a rifle himself and made an arguable gesture of the weapon towards the arguable victim (Perry) is a clear and reasonable threat 
 

The Lesson here is don’t stop other people while armed and making threats. 

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1 hour ago, rmgill said:

The Lesson here is don’t stop other people while armed and making threats. 

Another lesson is that there would have been no shooting if the guy with the open carry assault rifle didn't have one.

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6 hours ago, glenn239 said:

Another lesson is that there would have been no shooting if the guy with the open carry assault rifle didn't have one.

Or simply not pointed a rifle at the victim.

 

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11 hours ago, glenn239 said:

Another lesson is that there would have been no shooting if the guy with the open carry assault rifle didn't have one.

Or if the BLM protestors hadn't got it into their head that they could do ANYTHING they wanted due to leftist politicians giving them as much rope as they could use to hang OTHER people with it. This includes stopping other people and holding them there as long as they see fit (see also surrounding cars). 

I've been to a protest where we, the pro-gun counter protestors were armed to the teeth. It was a counter protest with one of Bloomberg's useful idiot Mom's demand action. He had 3 armed body guards there who were VERY obviously armed. We were open carrying everything from compact handguns to rifles. Noone pointed anything at anyone. Everyone abided by the local and state laws. And noone was shot. The police who were there, mostly Georgia capitol police who are always there, didn't have anything to do. 

The failure was the BLM protestors who stopped other citizens and thought they could enforce their will with threats of violence. FAFO applied. 

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On 5/29/2024 at 5:23 PM, Ivanhoe said:

Or simply not pointed a rifle at the victim.

 

Agreed.  Pointing a gun at someone is an invitation to open the ball.

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