When Defending Cops Becomes Impossible

[JWB]

 

[rmgill]

 

[Skywalkre]

On 3/15/2023 at 11:11 AM, NickM said:

And Sheriff Joe didn't seem so bad to me

 

On 3/15/2023 at 11:31 AM, sunday said:

Well, Leftist hate for a person on the Right is directly proportional to how successful and good that person is at his work.

 

On 3/16/2023 at 7:11 AM, Murph said:

That is true.  He made the poor criminals watch the weather channel, and eat sandwiches.  Boo Hoo.  That is not to say he might have done some things that were not ethical, but I loved his tent city.  

I've mentioned it before... to all of you... that you really should go look at what Arpaio actually did (to be fair none  of you live here and haven't gotten the whole story from whatever source you heard about Arpaio in the first place).

His wiki is a good starting point.  I've linked it before... there it is again.  If you read through that and come back to say you still like the guy... well... I would hope no one would.  But, we still have folks on this board that are sympathetic to the Jan6 rioters and believe the '20 election was stolen... so it's depressing to say but I wouldn't be surprised. 

[Murph]

Well Jan 6th WAS an FBI/DOJ set up job, and the Dems DID steal the election, legally, but none the less.  Two tier system of justice, one for communists and one for normies.

[Skywalkre]

23 minutes ago, Murph said:

Well Jan 6th WAS an FBI/DOJ set up job

Unequivocal BS.

23 minutes ago, Murph said:

and the Dems DID steal the election, legally

Getting more votes than your opponent is called 'winning'.

 

25 minutes ago, Murph said:

Two tier system of justice, one for communists and one for normies.

I'm in agreement about the two-tier system... but it's one for those with money and those without.  Unless you're going to sit here and tell me a public defender will always do as good of a job as a big-money lawyer?

Also... read that Arpaio wiki page yet?

[rmgill]

31 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

Unequivocal BS.

We were told it was Unequivocal BS that anyone did anything quite so innocent as walk in with police directing them in. 

We were told a bunch of Unequivocal BS about Trump and Russia. 

We were told a bunch of Unequivocal BS on COVID. 

What's your standard for Unequivocal BS? 

31 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

Getting more votes than your opponent is called 'winning'.

Certainly helps when you can get derogatory news stories about your preferred candidate squashed in the media and by big tech. 

Getting the FBI to squash stories is Unequivocal BS. But it happened none the less. 

31 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

I'm in agreement about the two-tier system... but it's one for those with money and those without. 

Money helps. Power is the real thing. 

[Skywalkre]

On 4/3/2023 at 1:31 PM, rmgill said:

We were told it was Unequivocal BS that anyone did anything quite so innocent as walk in with police directing them in. 

Again, the only issue here is that it sounds like some Capitol police should be investigated, not that any of the rioters should be given a break.  The level of stupid to have seen the violence at the Capitol, seen the broken barricades, doors, and windows, and then think it's ok to walk in and around because a cop waves you in with everything going on that day... I only hope those people haven't propagated because the gene pool doesn't need that much stupid spreading.

[R011]

2 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Again, the only issue here is that it sounds like some Capitol police should be investigated, not that any of the rioters should be given a break.  The level of stupid to have seen the violence at the Capitol, seen the broken barricades, doors, and windows, and then think it's ok to walk in and around because a cop waves you in with everything going on that day... I only hope those people haven't propagated because the gene pool doesn't need that much stupid spreading.

The people who did damage and entered withoutpermission shouldm't get any more of a break than anyone else who have committed similar offences.  The people allowed in by police weren't trespassing and if those of them who did no damage committed no offence and should not be charged.

And curiosity is a pretty normal hiuman reaction to out of the ordinary events.  It's not sa if anyone serously thought they'd be in danger - and save for a few pushing at the front, none of them were.  Indeed, all but one of the cops seems to have behaved appropriately.

Edited April 6, 2023 by R011

[lucklucky]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/botched-fbi-army-special-ops-training-raid-captures-unsuspecting-hotel-guest

"Based on inaccurate information, they were mistakenly sent to the wrong room and detained an individual, not the intended role player," the FBI said, according to the 7News television station in Boston.

Questions remain about the exact structure of the exercise, what specific FBI elements and Army units may have been involved, and what steps had been taken ahead of time to deconflict both with other law enforcement entities and the general public. The fact that there were regular guests inside the hotel, or at least on the targeted room's same floor, at all during the exercise is certainly puzzling.

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Desinfo?

Edited April 8, 2023 by lucklucky

[DB]

Money, money, money....

Piss-poor training risk assessment, piss-poor execution, unlawful detention. Incompetence, negligence, all the buzz-words.

[Murph]

Do you expect competence from the FBI? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[DKTanker]

Yet more evidence that we of Sam live in a police state.  Another obvious instance when civilians are seen first and foremost as threats against the state that must be put down.

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FARMINGTON, N.M. ― Police released body camera footage and 911 audio on Friday of officers fatally shooting a homeowner after they responded to the wrong house for a domestic violence call.

Farmington Police officers killed Robert Dotson, 52, when he answered the door with a handgun on April 5 at about 11:30 p.m., police initially said.

The newly released videos show the unidentified officers immediately opening fire after Dotson opened the door with the gun. Officers opened fire again after a woman was heard in the video screaming. Police previously said the woman, Dotson's wife, returned fire to the officers. She was not injured.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/body-camera-footage-shows-police-041256883.html

Link to the body cam videos below.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=602302351825817&ref=sharing

 

[Sardaukar]

On 4/9/2023 at 6:02 PM, Murph said:

Do you expect competence from the FBI? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Wait until they review all your arrests

[Sardaukar]

On 4/9/2023 at 6:02 PM, Murph said:

Do you expect competence from the FBI? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*double tap*

Edited April 16, 2023 by Sardaukar

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, DKTanker said:

Yet more evidence that we of Sam live in a police state.  Another obvious instance when civilians are seen first and foremost as threats against the state that must be put down.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/body-camera-footage-shows-police-041256883.html

Link to the body cam videos below.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=602302351825817&ref=sharing

 

So....late night, someone knocks on any one of those cops doors, are they going to go to the door with a gun? Probably a solid, "Yes!". 

Now, the raised gun of the homeowner as they're backing up pointing flashlights at the home owner who's pointing his gun at 3 subjects with lights on him, what's going on there? 

Who's in the wrong? The police at the wrong address? The home owner? Whom? 

Edited April 16, 2023 by rmgill

[Skywalkre]

Who's in the wrong?  It seems pretty bloody clear.  For starters you have some moron police who can't even find the right bloody home (an innocent man is dead after this fact... every one of those officers should be fired for this fact alone).  Second, in the vid I saw I don't hear them clearly identifying themselves before the door opens.  Another vid/report claims they did 3 times before the door opens but that was over the course of several minutes.  It's possible you have a homeowner who just hears loud banging on his door, brings his weapon (he has every right to), and opens it to blinding lights and gunfire... how am I supposed to criticize the victim, here?

This incident is VERY similar to something that happened here in the Valley where police went to an apartment based on a phony/prank call... couldn't be seen when the guy opened his door... he had a gun (but didn't point it)... but that was enough to get shot and killed.

Despite what Murph might say cops operate under a two-tier system that heavily favors them.  All that's going to happen here is the taxpayers will probably pay out millions while these terrible cops continue on being terrible at their job with no ramifications at all coming down on them.  Just ridiculous bullshit... and an innocent father and family man is dead because of it.

[Sardaukar]

While not really a cop thing...

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/04/17/ralph-yarl-shooting-black-teen-shot-kansas-city-homeowner/11680548002/

I could understand people starting to shoot when I ring doorbell, since  I look decidedly unfriendly, but teenager, that's bit pushing it. 

[Murph]

Not a two tier system at all, cops are guilty unless proven innocent in too many places.  But look at who runs the cops, and chances are if they are violating peoples rights, killing innocent citizens, etc, the place is run by and for Democrats.

[DKTanker]

6 hours ago, Murph said:

Not a two tier system at all, cops are guilty unless proven innocent in too many places.  But look at who runs the cops, and chances are if they are violating peoples rights, killing innocent citizens, etc, the place is run by and for Democrats.

So the example just given from New Mexico.  Good shoot?

[EchoFiveMike]

We've been in a police state since the 80's, at least.  

For any self respecting American man, the police do damned little for him.  Positive things, at any rate.  About the only thing I would want is investigation of criminal enterprise, and they do damned little of that, quite the opposite, since the captured does little except ensure there's no challenges to the established criminal systems.  

Street criminals?  If you can't handle that yourself, turn in your balls, and go find an out of the way place to die.

We've had a century of coddling and subsidizing the weak, and people wonder why things are shit?  Really?  S/F....Ken M

[Murph]

16 hours ago, DKTanker said:

So the example just given from New Mexico.  Good shoot?

Could you give me the link please?   EDIT- Found it, cannot get the Facebook video to play.  Found the video else where, it looks like about as bad a shoot as it can get.  The NM cops will have to pay the piper, and from the face of it very justifiably so.  

 

 

[Murph]

On 4/17/2023 at 11:42 AM, Sardaukar said:

While not really a cop thing...

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/04/17/ralph-yarl-shooting-black-teen-shot-kansas-city-homeowner/11680548002/

I could understand people starting to shoot when I ring doorbell, since  I look decidedly unfriendly, but teenager, that's bit pushing it. 

Agreed, this looks like a completely bad shoot on the face of it.

[DKTanker]

17 minutes ago, Murph said:

Could you give me the link please?   EDIT- Found it, cannot get the Facebook video to play.  Found the video else where, it looks like about as bad a shoot as it can get.  The NM cops will have to pay the piper, and from the face of it very justifiably so.  

Maybe, but the way all of them opened fire together and instantaneously speaks to a level of training and indoctrination.  It's a bad shoot from the civilian point of view, but the level of training and indoctrination indicates they were simply doing what they were indoctrinated to do.  

[Murph]

See I will disagree on what they were indoctrinated to do, although there is a "lemming" effect when shots start to be fired by someone, or a chase is called.  I have seen that in car chases, everyone wants to get in on it.  The shots, I have investigated (assisting the Texas Ranger of course) multiple OIS, and all were good shoots, although one was a close call, but the bad guy had fired first, on on body camera you can actually hear the bullet go past a deputy.  

I do not think New Mexico is one of the states that require post certification training, but I could be incorrect.  Without knowing what the training and culture are like in that PD, anything we say will be pure speculation.  But is in my view, having investigated OIS it is a bad shoot.  The officer(s) who fired should be taken to a grand jury, and I would seriously be surprised if they did not get charges filed against them.  I would support manslaughter at the least.  For murder you have to have intent to kill the person, manslaughter is a proper charge (at least under Texas law).  Possibly Aggravated Assault with a Deadly weapon causing Serious Bodily Injury or death (In Texas the same penalty as murder, a 1st degree felony 5-99/life).  

[Sardaukar]

Things getting from bad to worse... (Though perpetrator was not exactly a cop).

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/04/police-employee-in-santa-monica-california-molested-more-than-200-kids-warnings-of-abuse-were-ignored

Edited April 27, 2023 by Sardaukar