When Defending Cops Becomes Impossible

[DB]

This article shows how the political desire to score cheap points trumps tractional thought.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65005957

If every police officer who was accused of misconduct was taken out of service, how long would it be before malicious complaints removed them all?

[Stuart Galbraith]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65015479

Women and children have been failed by the Metropolitan Police, with racism, misogyny, and homophobia at the heart of the force, a blistering review says.

Baroness Casey says a "boys' club" culture is rife and the force could be dismantled if it does not improve.

Her year-long review condemns systemic failures, painting a picture of a force where rape cases were dropped because freezers containing key evidence broke.

The Met's Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley has apologised to Londoners.

He said: "It is ghastly. You sit down and read that report and it generates a whole series of emotions. It generates anger, frustration, embarrassment."

• Rape cases ruined, officer's beard cut... five findings from report

Baroness Casey was appointed to review the force's culture and standards after the abduction, rape and murder of Sarah Everard by serving police officer Wayne Couzens, in 2021.

During the course of her review, another Met officer, David Carrick, was convicted of a series of rapes, sexual offences and torture of women.

The report begins with a tribute to Sarah Everard's mother and a quote from her victim impact statement, given in court. It says "those crimes and those betrayals of trust" led to this review.

The 363-page report condemns the force as institutionally racist, misogynist and homophobic. Staff routinely experience sexism, it adds. There are racist officers and staff, and a "deep-seated homophobia" in the organisation.

In London, Baroness Casey says policing by consent - the idea ordinary people trust the police to act honourably and be held accountable - is broken.

Londoners have been "put last" and the city "no longer has a functioning neighbourhood policing service". The problem is more acute for ethnic minorities, the report found, warning "communities of colour are both over-policed and under-protected".

The report says leadership teams at the top of the Met have been in denial for decades, and there has been a systemic failure to root out discriminatory and bullying behaviour.

The force, it says, has failed to protect the public from officers who abuse women.

Asked if there could be more officers like Couzens and Carrick still within the force, Baroness Casey said: "I cannot sufficiently assure you that that is not the case."

 

They were discussing this on the BBC, and the words 'Disbandment' was used. As there are already several difference forces that operate within the MET area, it seems entirely viable to me to have more.

[DB]

I suspect that separating the national responsibilities from the Greater London policing responsibilities is the most likely "disbandment" option - it would follow the lead of the NCA and leave the Metropolitan Police with only the one job to do. this would mean taking the diplomatic protection team away, for example, and perhaps moving more stuff to the NCA.

Splitting it up further (geographically) would not help a great deal, unless you decided that throwing it all away and starting again would be a good idea, and that would be symbolic only - it's not like you can throw out all the police officers and expect the capital to not fall into anarchy overnight.

I think that they're going to have to take most of the recommendations on the chin and allow for further audits on the schedule suggested, but performance improvement measures are going to be politicised to beyond recall.

[rmgill]

Police departments organized by county. With a sheriff who is elected and beholden to the electorate. At least there its not a faceless bureaucrat.  
 

Larger cities have their own police departments with overlap with the counties. 

Edited March 21, 2023 by rmgill

[Stuart Galbraith]

With someone with police training, I can see why sherriffs would work, particularly in your country. It's just when you get to the level of police commissioners I can't see why dropping someone into a role they usually have no experience in is a good idea. We see many examples of the same all through Government.

This was an interesting perspective, MET arrested one of your countrymen, then lied about why they did it.

 

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[rmgill]

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

With someone with police training, I can see why sherriffs would work, particularly in your country. It's just when you get to the level of police commissioners I can't see why dropping someone into a role they usually have no experience in is a good idea.

That's because it's NOT a good idea. 
 

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

We see many examples of the same all through Government.

Which is why it's often so broken. 
 

[Steven P Allen]

My wife likes to watch a show called On Patrol, a resurrected form of Live PD, which was killed by the aftermath of the BLM riots.

Anyway, they put camera men in patrol cars and follow some 8 or 9 departments from around the US.  There is a delay on the footage, so the broadcast segments are subject to editing and revision.  But they also show footage from other departments' body cams and so forth as "Crime of the Week" and other gimmicky additions to the basic fare.

A couple weeks ago,they showed footage of a chase involving darn near an entire small town department trying to corral a pickup on the rampage.  I don't remember what started the whole thing, but the result, after many rammings and other maneuvers, was the truck literally hemmed in on its side in a ditch, five patrol vehicles actually in contact with it, and officers running around waving their sidearms crazily.  One jumped out of his car and pointed his pistol in the general direction of the car but directly at the back of the head of one of his fellow officers.  Another jumped down into the ditch and held his pistol over his head pointing in the general direction of the truck's passenger window and who knows what else.

I am no LEO, but even I could see training failure after training failure in full color all over the screen.  Every member of that department should be fired and not allowed to work in LE without proof of competence and under close supervision.

Sadly, no such acknowledgement of the stupidity on display was made by the three expert LEOs who MC the show.

[rmgill]

Which is why Doughnut Operator is better. He's aware of and calls out when officers flag each other. Sketchy cross fire is the least of the descriptors. Don't expect that on TV. 

[Yama]

Wichita settles lawsuit in Andrew Finch killing, the nation’s first fatal swatting

I remember this case, it was one of the first in whole 'swatting' phenomenon which became a plague all over the world. Didn't know it was still ongoing.

Basically, although the main culprit was of course the idiot 'swatter' and he got an appropriate punishment, the police hardly looked good there. A guy is called to come out, he comes out as ordered, and is promptly shot. I guess they're easier to shoot when they're in the open?? I suppose the officer who fired the fatal shot was really lucky in that the 'swatter' got the majority of the blame and attention.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Yama

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[JWB]

 

[rmgill]

 

[Skywalkre]

On 3/15/2023 at 11:11 AM, NickM said:

And Sheriff Joe didn't seem so bad to me

 

On 3/15/2023 at 11:31 AM, sunday said:

Well, Leftist hate for a person on the Right is directly proportional to how successful and good that person is at his work.

 

On 3/16/2023 at 7:11 AM, Murph said:

That is true.  He made the poor criminals watch the weather channel, and eat sandwiches.  Boo Hoo.  That is not to say he might have done some things that were not ethical, but I loved his tent city.  

I've mentioned it before... to all of you... that you really should go look at what Arpaio actually did (to be fair none  of you live here and haven't gotten the whole story from whatever source you heard about Arpaio in the first place).

His wiki is a good starting point.  I've linked it before... there it is again.  If you read through that and come back to say you still like the guy... well... I would hope no one would.  But, we still have folks on this board that are sympathetic to the Jan6 rioters and believe the '20 election was stolen... so it's depressing to say but I wouldn't be surprised. 

[Murph]

Well Jan 6th WAS an FBI/DOJ set up job, and the Dems DID steal the election, legally, but none the less.  Two tier system of justice, one for communists and one for normies.

[Skywalkre]

23 minutes ago, Murph said:

Well Jan 6th WAS an FBI/DOJ set up job

Unequivocal BS.

23 minutes ago, Murph said:

and the Dems DID steal the election, legally

Getting more votes than your opponent is called 'winning'.

 

25 minutes ago, Murph said:

Two tier system of justice, one for communists and one for normies.

I'm in agreement about the two-tier system... but it's one for those with money and those without.  Unless you're going to sit here and tell me a public defender will always do as good of a job as a big-money lawyer?

Also... read that Arpaio wiki page yet?

[rmgill]

31 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

Unequivocal BS.

We were told it was Unequivocal BS that anyone did anything quite so innocent as walk in with police directing them in. 

We were told a bunch of Unequivocal BS about Trump and Russia. 

We were told a bunch of Unequivocal BS on COVID. 

What's your standard for Unequivocal BS? 

31 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

Getting more votes than your opponent is called 'winning'.

Certainly helps when you can get derogatory news stories about your preferred candidate squashed in the media and by big tech. 

Getting the FBI to squash stories is Unequivocal BS. But it happened none the less. 

31 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

I'm in agreement about the two-tier system... but it's one for those with money and those without. 

Money helps. Power is the real thing. 

[Skywalkre]

On 4/3/2023 at 1:31 PM, rmgill said:

We were told it was Unequivocal BS that anyone did anything quite so innocent as walk in with police directing them in. 

Again, the only issue here is that it sounds like some Capitol police should be investigated, not that any of the rioters should be given a break.  The level of stupid to have seen the violence at the Capitol, seen the broken barricades, doors, and windows, and then think it's ok to walk in and around because a cop waves you in with everything going on that day... I only hope those people haven't propagated because the gene pool doesn't need that much stupid spreading.

[R011]

2 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Again, the only issue here is that it sounds like some Capitol police should be investigated, not that any of the rioters should be given a break.  The level of stupid to have seen the violence at the Capitol, seen the broken barricades, doors, and windows, and then think it's ok to walk in and around because a cop waves you in with everything going on that day... I only hope those people haven't propagated because the gene pool doesn't need that much stupid spreading.

The people who did damage and entered withoutpermission shouldm't get any more of a break than anyone else who have committed similar offences.  The people allowed in by police weren't trespassing and if those of them who did no damage committed no offence and should not be charged.

And curiosity is a pretty normal hiuman reaction to out of the ordinary events.  It's not sa if anyone serously thought they'd be in danger - and save for a few pushing at the front, none of them were.  Indeed, all but one of the cops seems to have behaved appropriately.

Edited April 6, 2023 by R011

[lucklucky]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/botched-fbi-army-special-ops-training-raid-captures-unsuspecting-hotel-guest

"Based on inaccurate information, they were mistakenly sent to the wrong room and detained an individual, not the intended role player," the FBI said, according to the 7News television station in Boston.

Questions remain about the exact structure of the exercise, what specific FBI elements and Army units may have been involved, and what steps had been taken ahead of time to deconflict both with other law enforcement entities and the general public. The fact that there were regular guests inside the hotel, or at least on the targeted room's same floor, at all during the exercise is certainly puzzling.

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Desinfo?

Edited April 8, 2023 by lucklucky

[DB]

Money, money, money....

Piss-poor training risk assessment, piss-poor execution, unlawful detention. Incompetence, negligence, all the buzz-words.

[Murph]

Do you expect competence from the FBI? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[DKTanker]

Yet more evidence that we of Sam live in a police state.  Another obvious instance when civilians are seen first and foremost as threats against the state that must be put down.

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FARMINGTON, N.M. ― Police released body camera footage and 911 audio on Friday of officers fatally shooting a homeowner after they responded to the wrong house for a domestic violence call.

Farmington Police officers killed Robert Dotson, 52, when he answered the door with a handgun on April 5 at about 11:30 p.m., police initially said.

The newly released videos show the unidentified officers immediately opening fire after Dotson opened the door with the gun. Officers opened fire again after a woman was heard in the video screaming. Police previously said the woman, Dotson's wife, returned fire to the officers. She was not injured.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/body-camera-footage-shows-police-041256883.html

Link to the body cam videos below.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=602302351825817&ref=sharing

 

[Sardaukar]

On 4/9/2023 at 6:02 PM, Murph said:

Do you expect competence from the FBI? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Wait until they review all your arrests

[Sardaukar]

On 4/9/2023 at 6:02 PM, Murph said:

Do you expect competence from the FBI? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*double tap*

Edited April 16, 2023 by Sardaukar