When Defending Cops Becomes Impossible

[rmgill]

Fair and impartial investigations, such a high bar if it cuts against the liberal narrative. 

[sunday]

11 hours ago, rmgill said:

Fair and impartial investigations, such a high bar if it cuts against the liberal narrative. 

Thus Arizona has the best electoral system in the whole Universe.

[rmgill]

How dare you question what government officials say is entirely above board!!

[Skywalkre]

Speaking of AZ...

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Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes released on Wednesday documents related to the investigation into the 2020 general election, proving there was no widespread fraud or wrongdoing. Officials are now calling out former Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich for reportedly withholding the information. The Attorney General’s Office said that agents and staff under Brnovich spent 10,000 hours looking at any possible irregularities and pieces of evidence of voter fraud but didn’t find any. “In each instance and in each matter, the aforementioned parties did not provide any evidence to support their allegations. The information that was provided was speculative in many instances and when investigated by our agents and support staff, was found to be inaccurate,” a statement said.

Mayes, a Democrat, told Arizona’s Family her office recently found evidence that shows Brnovich, a Republican, was well aware that the investigation showed there was no big conspiracy or elaborate scheme to influence the 2020 election in Arizona yet refused to release those findings to the public. “We have a duty, a solemn duty, at the Attorney General’s Office to be honest and transparent with people of Arizona about everything we do and especially when it comes to democracy and elections,” she said.

According to the documents, Attorney General’s Office staff under Brnovich found complaints and allegations from the public about the 2020 election were overwhelmingly unsupported by factual evidence. “The results of this exhaustive and extensive investigation show what we have suspected for over two years – the 2020 election in Arizona was conducted fairly and accurately by elections officials,” said Mayes. She also adds that the office looked at “every conspiracy theory under the sun,” saying it “distracted this office from its core mission of protecting the people of Arizona from real crime and fraud.”

https://www.azfamily.com/2023/02/22/arizona-ag-kris-mayes-unveils-previously-unreleased-2020-election-investigation-documents/

10k hours wasted on investigating nothing which could have been spent on other, real work (that's an interesting take I haven't thought of before).  Then the R AG doesn't release it (but to be fair to him, he gave more vague hints later) to help his own Senate run.

The really sad thing is there's going to be folks who still think this election was stolen even after this comes out.  🙄

[rmgill]

Curious... would you be just as critical if this were a story about someone who was a D politician as you are because various R officials are involved?

[Skywalkre]

Yep.

[rmgill]

Are you sure? 

[Skywalkre]

Yep... and if you bothered to read my posts you'd see I don't just pick on Rs.  The point is so many of you are practically drooling at the chance of posting anything even remotely negative about Ds (before we know if it's even true) that there's no point in me following up. 

If you wanted to be sure, we could attach a poll to every post so folks could vote that they agree what was mentioned was wrong (this last sentence is sarcasm, btw...).

[Skywalkre]

On 2/25/2023 at 3:08 PM, Murph said:

Sorry but the MAJORITY of cops are decent hard working people. 

If 49.9% of all cops out there are good people that's a lot of cops still... but they'd still be a minority.  I'm not saying no cop is good... they're just a minority as shown by the flood of stories of bad behavior and, most importantly, how said bad cops are usually protected and taken care of.  Organizations full of good people don't do that.

On 2/25/2023 at 3:08 PM, Murph said:

And despite what is posted on Tanknet that is perfect, unassailable, how many times has it turned out to be wrong?  All I ask is fairness, a complete investigation into all the facts, and treating people as innocent until found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

I'm in full agreement... and that should apply to everyone and not just cops (the whole double standard we live in in this country in regards to them needs to stop).  Sometimes the facts are plainfully obvious to see (such as many of the incidents posted here in this thread) so just because a court hasn't ruled (if the case even makes it there) it's bloody obvious the accused are dirtbags.

[Skywalkre]

Been meaning to post this example.  Spotted a story about it on reddit a few days back even though it happened years ago.

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Former Jackson County Sheriff’s Deputy Zachary Wester will spend the next 12 years in prison, after being found guilty of planting drugs on multiple motorists.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2021/07/13/zachary-wester-sentenced-former-florida-deputy-drug-planting/7951871002/

Apparently over a hundred convictions had to be tossed because of this chump.  He was discovered because a prosecutor basically found it odd one officer was responsible for so many arrests and was warned about this guy from public defenders.  On her own she started viewing his body cam footage and spotted several examples of the officer planting the drugs on innocent people. 

This prosecutor, who should be lauded for her work (she took this up on her own free time to review all the footage) ended up quitting because, in her words, "I don’t want to work in an environment that allows this to happen."  Sounds like a DA office that needs to be cleaned out, as well (this is a whole 'nother issue... of prosecutors hesitant to prosecute police for fear of a lack of cooperation after the fact... which begs the question why is anyone going to object to bad cops being prosecuted?).

 

[NickM]

Hmmm... my newsfeed popped out a story about the opposition to  cop city in Atlanta and "Kill-adelphia".

Guess the crackpipe huffers have pull, somehow 

[rmgill]

Yep. Proposed Atlanta City Police and Fire training facility here. 

The lefties have been camping there for something like 2 years. They want to preserve the forest that is on the remains of the old Atlanta Prison farm, bracketed between 2 waste disposal dumps (covered and terraced), a water waste reclamation plant, and a juvenile detention center. You can see the dirtbike trails in and around the old prison farm ruins. 

The hippies have been living east of the farm iirc. 

 

[NickM]

5 hours ago, rmgill said:

Yep. Proposed Atlanta City Police and Fire training facility here. 

The lefties have been camping there for something like 2 years. They want to preserve the forest that is on the remains of the old Atlanta Prison farm, bracketed between 2 waste disposal dumps (covered and terraced), a water waste reclamation plant, and a juvenile detention center. You can see the dirtbike trails in and around the old prison farm ruins. 

The hippies have been living east of the farm iirc. 

 

Yeah the 'pearl clutching' by the story writers is 'annoying'.

[rmgill]

7 hours ago, NickM said:

Yeah the 'pearl clutching' by the story writers is 'annoying'.

Did you not see the Democracy Now interview I posted a few weeks back? 

New Drinking game. take a shot of Bud light every time they use euphemistic language. By the end of the video, you'll be drunk off your ass and will have been to the bathroom 3 times. 
 

 

Edited March 2, 2023 by rmgill

[NickM]

2 hours ago, rmgill said:

Did you not see the Democracy Now interview I posted a few weeks back? 

New Drinking game. take a shot of Bud light every time they use euphemistic language. By the end of the video, you'll be drunk off your ass and will have been to the bathroom 3 times. 
 

 

Watch 'Democracy Now!"? No thanks, I value what few brain cells I have left

[JWB]

Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA Sheriff’s Department, Investigation Reveals (msn.com)

[NickM]

11 minutes ago, JWB said:

Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA Sheriff’s Department, Investigation Reveals (msn.com)

Rolling Stoners?

Yeah, they're a good source.  LA sheriff's dept calls out DA Gascon on his BS,  so they're now authorized class enemies.

[JWB]

8 hours ago, NickM said:

Rolling Stoners?

Yeah, they're a good source.  LA sheriff's dept calls out DA Gascon on his BS,  so they're now authorized class enemies.

I guess you ignored all the inline links?

REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE SPECIAL COUNSELTO SHERIFF CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT COMMISSION REGARDINGDEPUTY GANGS AND DEPUTY CLIQUES

https://www.scribd.com/document/629758526/ladeptygang#

[rmgill]

 

[DB]

Between opening this webpage and clicking back to it (a matter of five minutes) that last video has been age restricted.

I think one needs, perhaps, to separate the corruption of police departments by organised crime from the day-to-day abuse of power and inadequate training related incidents of what is considered to be a functional police department.

[Murph]

Just remember, Police report to their political masters, and since Chiefs are appointed, they tend to do what the Mayor/City Manager want them to do, be it right, wrong, legal or illegal.  Since they serve at the pleasure of the Mayor/City Manager.  

 

[rmgill]

7 hours ago, DB said:

I think one needs, perhaps, to separate the corruption of police departments by organised crime from the day-to-day abuse of power and inadequate training related incidents of what is considered to be a functional police department.

If an entire command staff is effecting illegal acts including fabricating charges against someone and effecting arrests, how is that not a form of organized crime? 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1961

18 U.S. Code § 1961 - Definitions 

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As used in this chapter—

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“racketeering activity” means (A) any act or threat involving murder, kidnapping, gambling, arson, robbery, bribery, extortion, dealing in obscene matter, or dealing in a controlled substance or listed chemical (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act), which is chargeable underState law and punishable by imprisonment for more than one year; (B) any act which is indictable under any of the following provisions of title 18, United States Code: Section 201 (relating to bribery), section 224 (relating to sports bribery), sections 471, 472, and 473 (relating to counterfeiting), section 659 (relating to theft from interstate shipment) if the act indictable under section 659 is felonious, section 664 (relating to embezzlement from pension and welfare funds), sections 891–894 (relating to extortionate credit transactions), section 932 (relating to straw purchasing), section 933 (relating to trafficking in firearms), section 1028 (relating to fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents), section 1029 (relating to fraud and related activity in connection with access devices), section 1084 (relating to the transmission of gambling information), section 1341 (relating to mail fraud), section 1343 (relating to wire fraud), section 1344 (relating to financial institution fraud), section 1351 (relating to fraud in foreign labor contracting), section 1425 (relating to the procurement of citizenship or nationalization unlawfully), section 1426 (relating to the reproduction of naturalization or citizenship papers), section 1427 (relating to the sale of naturalization or citizenship papers), sections 1461–1465 (relating to obscene matter), section 1503 (relating to obstruction of justice), section 1510 (relating to obstruction of criminal investigations), section 1511 (relating to the obstruction of State or local law enforcement), section 1512 (relating to tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant), section 1513 (relating to retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant), section 1542 (relating to false statement in application and use of passport), section 1543 (relating to forgery or false use of passport), section 1544 (relating to misuse of passport), section 1546 (relating to fraud and misuse of visas, permits, and other documents), sections 1581–1592 (relating to peonage, slavery, and trafficking in persons).,[1] sections 1831 and 1832 (relating to economic espionage and theft of trade secrets), section 1951 (relating to interference with commerce, robbery, or extortion), section 1952 (relating to racketeering), section 1953 (relating to interstate transportation of wagering paraphernalia), section 1954 (relating to unlawful welfare fund payments), section 1955 (relating to the prohibition of illegal gambling businesses), section 1956 (relating to the laundering of monetary instruments), section 1957 (relating to engaging in monetary transactions in property derived from specified unlawful activity), section 1958 (relating to use of interstate commerce facilities in the commission of murder-for-hire), section 1960 (relating to illegal money transmitters), sections 2251, 2251A, 2252, and 2260 (relating to sexual exploitation of children), sections 2312 and 2313 (relating to interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicles), sections 2314 and 2315 (relating to interstate transportation of stolen property), section 2318 (relating to trafficking in counterfeit labels for phonorecords, computer programs or computer program documentation or packaging and copies of motion pictures or other audiovisual works), section 2319 (relating to criminal infringement of a copyright), section 2319A (relating to unauthorized fixation of and trafficking in sound recordings and music videos of live musical performances), section 2320 (relating to trafficking in goods or services bearing counterfeit marks), section 2321 (relating to trafficking in certain motor vehicles or motor vehicle parts), sections 2341–2346 (relating to trafficking in contraband cigarettes), sections 2421–24 (relating to white slave traffic),[2] sections 175–178 (relating to biological weapons), sections 229–229F (relating to chemical weapons), section 831 (relating to nuclear materials), (C) any act which is indictable under title 29, United States Code, section 186 (dealing with restrictions on payments and loans to labor organizations) or section 501(c) (relating to embezzlement from union funds), (D) any offense involving fraud connected with a case under title 11 (except a case under section 157 of this title), fraud in the sale of securities, or the felonious manufacture, importation, receiving, concealment, buying, selling, or otherwise dealing in a controlled substance or listed chemical (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act), punishable under any law of the United States, (E) any act which is indictable under the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act, (F) any act which is indictable under the Immigration and Nationality Act, section 274 (relating to bringing in and harboring certain aliens), section 277 (relating to aiding or assisting certain aliens to enter the UnitedStates), or section 278 (relating to importation of alien for immoral purpose) if the act indictable under such section of such Act was committed for the purpose of financial gain, or (G) any act that is indictable under any provision listed in section 2332b(g)(5)(B);

[NickM]

On 3/8/2023 at 5:43 PM, JWB said:

I guess you ignored all the inline links?

 

Uninterested in links; they're concerned about errant affirmative action hires, while the Greater LA Area descends into chaos and violence due to the deliberate omissions and actions of LA's chief law enforcement official.

[Skywalkre]

Shock, surprise.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-finds-civil-rights-violations-louisville-metro-police-department-and

A troubling quote from the report:

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For years, LMPD has practiced an aggressive style of policing that it deploys selectively,
especially against Black people, but also against vulnerable people throughout the city. LMPD
cites people for minor offenses, like wide turns and broken taillights, while serious crimes like
sexual assault and homicide go unsolved. Some officers demonstrate disrespect for the people
they are sworn to protect. Some officers have videotaped themselves throwing drinks at
pedestrians from their cars; insulted people with disabilities; and called Black people “monkeys,”
“animal,” and “boy.” This conduct erodes community trust, and the unlawful practices of LMPD
and Louisville Metro undermine public safety.

Failures of leadership and accountability have allowed unlawful conduct to continue
unchecked. Even when city and police leaders announced solutions, they failed to follow
through. In LMPD, officer misconduct too often goes unnoticed and unaddressed. At times,
LMPD leaders have endorsed and defended unlawful conduct. A street enforcement unit that
violated LMPD policy and federal law has been repeatedly rebranded, but never disbanded.  First-line supervisors regularly fail to monitor their officers and recognize misconduct when it
occurs, and more senior leaders fail to demand better. Supervisors routinely overlook or even
defend obviously excessive force, search warrants clearly lacking probable cause, unjustified no-
knock entries, failures to document traffic stops in Black neighborhoods, and unnecessarily harsh
treatment of people with disabilities.

 

[rmgill]

I don't suppose we will see a DOJ report on the FBI any time soon? 
 

in other news, Ga's Clayton Co Sheriff is going to prison. 
 

 

Edited March 13, 2023 by rmgill