When Defending Cops Becomes Impossible

[NickM]

Sump'ins up..."democracy now!?", just posted a story 'bout how the Feebs infiltrated the BLM movement. .

They even titled it  Cointelpro 2.

I have not read or listened to it,  cuz I value what sanity I have left

[rmgill]

16 hours ago, NickM said:

Sump'ins up..."democracy now!?", just posted a story 'bout how the Feebs infiltrated the BLM movement. .

They even titled it  Cointelpro 2.

I have not read or listened to it,  cuz I value what sanity I have left

Turn it into a drinking game. You take a shot every time they use a euphemistic phrase. Start with Budweiser or Miller light. You'll still be drunk, but it WILL stress flush your kidneys. 

[NickM]

Something new: heard a Minneapolis PD officer was killed in the line of duty, but I couldn't find anything on my office's on line newsfeed, just the usual array of wrongful police shootings.

That and that the officer  was a 4 year vet, but was 34 years-old. 

[EchoFiveMike]

Milwaukee PD.  S/F...Ken M

[NickM]

32 minutes ago, EchoFiveMike said:

Milwaukee PD.  S/F...Ken M

Ok. 34s kinda old for a rookie 

[NickM]

I seriously thought it was another case of no sh#ts being given

[Murph]

https://www.odmp.org/officer/26575-police-officer-peter-ec-jerving

[FALightFighter]

2 hours ago, NickM said:

Something new: heard a Minneapolis PD officer was killed in the line of duty, but I couldn't find anything on my office's on line newsfeed, just the usual array of wrongful police shootings.

That and that the officer  was a 4 year vet, but was 34 years-old. 

 

1 hour ago, NickM said:

Ok. 34s kinda old for a rookie 

An officer starting out at 30 years old is easily explained by 4 years of college and a 10-year enlistment.

[Murph]

I was 34 when I joined the Sheriff's Office.  I had college, Army, and some civilian work before I did it.  I went to the Academy at 32.  

[NickM]

12 minutes ago, Murph said:

I was 34 when I joined the Sheriff's Office.  I had college, Army, and some civilian work before I did it.  I went to the Academy at 32.  

Usually,  I'm used to them starting in the mid 20s--right out of college or the military 

[rmgill]

3 hours ago, Murph said:

https://www.odmp.org/officer/26575-police-officer-peter-ec-jerving

The subject had been sentenced to probation for two hit-and-run crashes the day before. 

 

You don’t say… what are the odds of more than 5 previous felonies? 

[NickM]

40 minutes ago, rmgill said:

The subject had been sentenced to probation for two hit-and-run crashes the day before. 

 

You don’t say… what are the odds of more than 5 previous felonies? 

 

That's what I found a bit of shock: A "probie" for a couple of hit n runs and he decides to shoot it out with the cops?

"Sump'ins"  wrong with that.

Edited February 9, 2023 by NickM

[rmgill]

I am betting more. I’d put money on it…

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[Skywalkre]

On 2/15/2023 at 5:09 PM, Tim Sielbeck said:

 

This is just... disgusting.  What's worse... all that seems likely to happen is the taxpayers will pay out when the reality is it sounds like entire sheriff's office should be fired and rebuilt from scratch and several members of it being prosecuted for this guy's death (and then lying about it after).

So many things in this story just reaffirming so many wearing the badge these days shouldn't be... and will go out of there way to protect their own than do the right thing.  Hopefully the family and that fired officer get a big payday out of this.

[Murph]

Again video on the internet, what are the REAL facts.  If true, the person who allowed it to happen, and those who did it, need to go to prison for Official Oppression.  But what are the FACTS?  

https://www.foxnews.com/us/alabama-man-who-froze-death-jail-likely-put-freezer-possible-punishment-lawsuit-alleges

Ok, so let us see what the autopsy says, and does Alabama have something like the Texas Rangers or AG Investigators who can come in and look at this.  Reading non-hysterical articles on the net leads me to believe this was what is called a "pattern and practice" issue that will not go well for that Sheriff's Office.  

 

[Daan]

Looks very bad, but the DA found it somehow justified:

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by Daan

[Skywalkre]

On 2/20/2023 at 4:25 PM, Murph said:

Again video on the internet, what are the REAL facts.  If true, the person who allowed it to happen, and those who did it, need to go to prison for Official Oppression.  But what are the FACTS?  

https://www.foxnews.com/us/alabama-man-who-froze-death-jail-likely-put-freezer-possible-punishment-lawsuit-alleges

Ok, so let us see what the autopsy says, and does Alabama have something like the Texas Rangers or AG Investigators who can come in and look at this.  Reading non-hysterical articles on the net leads me to believe this was what is called a "pattern and practice" issue that will not go well for that Sheriff's Office.  

 

Curious... would you be just as cautious if this were a story about someone who was a D politician as you are because various law enforcement officers are involved?

[rmgill]

That's low. Murph is a straight shooter as far as I can tell. 

Media gets legal case stuff wrong ALL the bloody time. Look at the Hands up Don't Shoot Narrative. The political persuasion of the officers and department not withstanding. Same for the Rayshard Brooks Shooting in Atlanta. We got riots out of that. Where'd the case go. Right, the shooting was justified. How'd the press cover it? Oh it was another shooting of a poor black man! Martin Zimmerman case, the same. The Kenosha Shooting, same. 

Simply being suspicious about the facts and wanting to see some  corroboration, oh noes!

More so. Read what he wrote: " Reading non-hysterical articles on the net leads me to believe this was what is called a "pattern and practice" issue that will not go well for that Sheriff's Office.  "

This points to a view that there seems to be smoke here and that its indicative of a fire, which is not exactly supportive of the agency in question. 
 

Edited February 23, 2023 by rmgill

[rmgill]

That's how a police department SHOLD handle officers who conduct an arrest that doesn't have supporting evidence. 
 

 

[Murph]

15 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Curious... would you be just as cautious if this were a story about someone who was a D politician as you are because various law enforcement officers are involved?

Not at all, I see the Media feeding frenzy, and you need to wait, do a complete investigation, and then if there is actual criminality, you come down on the people involved.  Just because you think all cops are evil and as soon as someone accuses the cops of wrong doing they should be fired and prosecuted despite not knowing the truth.  "Your philosophy seems to be the typical democrat/liberal: "Sentence First!, then the trial."  Also you forget I actually worked as the Internal Affairs Sergeant, and so have experience with actual investigations.  And yes, I have gotten several cops/jailers indicted for ACTUAL crimes.

Based on reports, as I said, it does not look good, but you need to let the process go through.  Unlike the Idiot foreperson of the Atlanta Grand Jury who is on her own Waaaagh tour.  She just made it impossible to get a fair conviction on anyone, since the first thing their lawyers will do is point to her.  

[Murph]

14 hours ago, rmgill said:

That's low. Murph is a straight shooter as far as I can tell. 

Media gets legal case stuff wrong ALL the bloody time. Look at the Hands up Don't Shoot Narrative. The political persuasion of the officers and department not withstanding. Same for the Rayshard Brooks Shooting in Atlanta. We got riots out of that. Where'd the case go. Right, the shooting was justified. How'd the press cover it? Oh it was another shooting of a poor black man! Martin Zimmerman case, the same. The Kenosha Shooting, same. 

Simply being suspicious about the facts and wanting to see some  corroboration, oh noes!

More so. Read what he wrote: " Reading non-hysterical articles on the net leads me to believe this was what is called a "pattern and practice" issue that will not go well for that Sheriff's Office.  "

This points to a view that there seems to be smoke here and that its indicative of a fire, which is not exactly supportive of the agency in question. 
 

Thank you.  My years in IA have led me to be a bit more cautious until all the facts are known.

[Skywalkre]

On 2/23/2023 at 7:33 AM, Murph said:

Not at all

At least you're honest about the double standard.

On 2/23/2023 at 7:33 AM, Murph said:

Just because you think all cops are evil and as soon as someone accuses the cops of wrong doing they should be fired and prosecuted despite not knowing the truth.  "Your philosophy seems to be the typical democrat/liberal: "Sentence First!, then the trial." 

Never said any of the above.  What I have said is that it's pretty easy to make the argument today that a majority of cops are not good people and shouldn't be doing the job.  When blatant examples of misconduct (or even lawful conduct that is still deplorable) occur cops don't deserve any less condemnation than anyone else.  That double standard is something I've railed against on here for years.  Take a look at yourself... you're totally fine with calling all Ds childish names like 'demonrats' or whatever and calling the entire FBI worthless and corrupt.  For everything to remotely support that condemnation there is far more for local police out there.  Yes... there are a lot more police than say the FBI... but there are that many cases of blatant and inappropriate conduct (and that's what we're able to actually see... who knows how much more is going on).  What's posted here on TN barely scratches the surface... yet yourself and others are so quick to go "wait, wait... maybe there's something we're missing"  No... we're not.

[Murph]

Sorry but the MAJORITY of cops are decent hard working people.  At least the ones I have worked with.  Most are willing to do what it takes to keep the citizens safe.  The problem is that bad apples make it so that cops have to be 100% correct 100% of the time, are NEVER able to make a mistake, to be constantly perfect.  It is so easy to look at a cop who made a mistake under pressure and go "EVIL! EVIL! HE MADE A MISTAKE, HANG HIM!"  I am not perfect, far from it, but I sure as heck tried to always do the right thing.  I would say that the vast majority of cops try to do it despite being targets of the media, the courts, the prosecutors, scumbag lawyers, and scumbag self appointed "Guardians of morality" and other activists.  AS for the FBI, they manage to keep covering up their malfeasance, so it never for some reason gets to see the light of day.  

And despite what is posted on Tanknet that is perfect, unassailable, how many times has it turned out to be wrong?  All I ask is fairness, a complete investigation into all the facts, and treating people as innocent until found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, Skywalkre said:

Never said any of the above.  What I have said is that it's pretty easy to make the argument today that a majority of cops are not good people and shouldn't be doing the job. 
 

Its easy to make the argument. Its harder to substantiate said argument. 

1 hour ago, Skywalkre said:

When blatant examples of misconduct (or even lawful conduct that is still deplorable) occur cops don't deserve any less condemnation than anyone else. 

And I think you can get republicans to do that than Democrats. 

1 hour ago, Skywalkre said:

That double standard is something I've railed against on here for years.  Take a look at yourself... you're totally fine with calling all Ds childish names like 'demonrats' or whatever and calling the entire FBI worthless and corrupt.

Yes. And when the FBI is used for clearly partisan reasons, with repeated observable examples of the DOJ accepting such partisan corruption, what then? 

1 hour ago, Skywalkre said:

  For everything to remotely support that condemnation there is far more for local police out there.  Yes... there are a lot more police than say the FBI... but there are that many cases of blatant and inappropriate conduct (and that's what we're able to actually see... who knows how much more is going on). 

The presumption was that the FBI was above all of that. Or even state agencies. 
 

The left asserts such a corruption in Georgia across DeKalb, Fulton and state agencies with regards to the handling of the squatters, sorry tree defenders in south east Atlanta. Are they right? 

1 hour ago, Skywalkre said:

What's posted here on TN barely scratches the surface... yet yourself and others are so quick to go "wait, wait... maybe there's something we're missing"  No... we're not.

So accusations always carry weight? I have a cousin who died under suspicious circumstances in South East Ga. In Ludowici county no less. Are my family's accusations thus 100% sure because they are made?