DB Posted December 23, 2022 Posted December 23, 2022 8 hours ago, rmgill said: My friend here in Atl who is a very experienced and large officer described one encounter with a little lanky PCP berserker as one of his most near edge fights of his career. He described how when the PCP berserker grabbed his arm in the scuffle the grip was like when as a child your father grabs ahold of your arm in a very bad moment of you've really pissed off your dad and you aren't getting him to let go. None of the usual hand ti hand stuff worked and the pain compliance tricks just made the guy more angry. From seeing the footage of dudes who have torn their clothes off in sub zero weather and then are ranting, crying, raging and then calm in rapid succession. Yeah. Prosecutors and other folks need to have some grounding in that reality of shoot don't shoot... Bodycam footage is your friend...
rmgill Posted December 23, 2022 Posted December 23, 2022 This was before body cams. And they don't help much when you are on the ground in a hard scuffle. Though if you have footage of a dude in subzero weather with most of his clothes torn off, there are some strong indicators there.
Sardaukar Posted December 23, 2022 Posted December 23, 2022 18 hours ago, rmgill said: My friend here in Atl who is a very experienced and large officer described one encounter with a little lanky PCP berserker as one of his most near edge fights of his career. He described how when the PCP berserker grabbed his arm in the scuffle the grip was like when as a child your father grabs ahold of your arm in a very bad moment of you've really pissed off your dad and you aren't getting him to let go. None of the usual hand ti hand stuff worked and the pain compliance tricks just made the guy more angry. From seeing the footage of dudes who have torn their clothes off in sub zero weather and then are ranting, crying, raging and then calm in rapid succession. Yeah. Prosecutors and other folks need to have some grounding in that reality of shoot don't shoot... I saw in past incident in hospital emergency when about 45kg (100 lb.) small woman in psychoses fought 2 big policemen and 2 big male nurses. One of the police had to punch the lights out of that woman before they got her into restraints. She broke a nose from one of the male nurses. Drugs and psychoses make people really strong and immune to pain etc.
TrustMe Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 Serial rapist police officer caught. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-64289461
DB Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 2 hours ago, TrustMe said: Serial rapist police officer caught. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-64289461 Don't agree with death penalties, but if we had the death penalty, I might make an exception here.
Murph Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 Sounds like he needs to spend a lot of time in a British Prison.
Murph Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 Does the British prison system have life without parole?
TrustMe Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, Murph said: Does the British prison system have life without parole? We do but In the British court system when we say "life" it can mean different things. Also, their is also a "tariff" amount attached to the "life" sentance. For example, if you commit a murder or rape you probably will get "Life with a Tariff of 15 years" the Tariff means the "minimum" amout of years you have to be in prison. But it doesn't necessarily mean you will get out after 15 years it could be longer. There is also a "natural life" tariff you can get. This is usually only given for the most horrific crimes, or repeat offenders.
TrustMe Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Murph said: Thank you that cleared things up. One other thing I should mention. In the UK politicans can have a veto on any person sent to prison. This veto allows anyone to be detained longer if a policican says so. In high profile cases, a politican can veto a parole simply for political reasons such as trying to get votes or to show how tough on crime a politican is. I don't think in the US a politican can do things like that.
Murph Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 3 hours ago, TrustMe said: One other thing I should mention. In the UK politicans can have a veto on any person sent to prison. This veto allows anyone to be detained longer if a policican says so. In high profile cases, a politican can veto a parole simply for political reasons such as trying to get votes or to show how tough on crime a politican is. I don't think in the US a politican can do things like that. No, I don't think so, perhaps in other States maybe, but I have never heard of that. And too many Parole boards are staffed by hug a thug lefties who cannot understand why ANYONE would be in prison....
DB Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 I'm not sure TrustMe's recollection of political interference in the duration of sentences is entirely correct, but it was the case that the Home Secretary could remove the right to a prole review from lifers. There's a whole chunk of wikipedia on the subject, and it's not particularly clearly written to make it clear what powers are historical and what are current. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_England_and_Wales#:~:text=The whole life order (formerly,of parole or conditional release. An ECHR ruling changed it so that the Home Secretary cannot make a whole life order, that's reserved for the courts. It's also possible for an order to be appealed up to and including the ECHR (still, post Brexit).
TrustMe Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 13 hours ago, DB said: I'm not sure TrustMe's recollection of political interference in the duration of sentences is entirely correct, but it was the case that the Home Secretary could remove the right to a prole review from lifers. There's a whole chunk of wikipedia on the subject, and it's not particularly clearly written to make it clear what powers are historical and what are current. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_England_and_Wales#:~:text=The whole life order (formerly,of parole or conditional release. An ECHR ruling changed it so that the Home Secretary cannot make a whole life order, that's reserved for the courts. It's also possible for an order to be appealed up to and including the ECHR (still, post Brexit). I was thinking of the Home Office Minister. Maybe things have changed from what I remember.
Murph Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 I read an article that the Met Police commander is looking at lots of other cops and they might be looking at others for various infractions that have been allowed to go unpunished.
TrustMe Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Murph said: I read an article that the Met Police commander is looking at lots of other cops and they might be looking at others for various infractions that have been allowed to go unpunished. It's true there investigating 800 !!! officers. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-64293158 The trouble with the police is that very few officers will be charged to avoid publicity, most if found guilty will just be dismissed.
Murph Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 That is a LOT of officers to be investigating! But how many do they have total?
TrustMe Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 22 minutes ago, Murph said: That is a LOT of officers to be investigating! But how many do they have total? The link says 45,000. So for all 800 offences that's around 1.78% of all officers. I'm not sure what area this metropolitan police covers but at a guess i'd say just greater London.
Murph Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 That is still a high number, but not out of bounds for major US departments like NYPD, or LAPD. FBI its more like 50+%, We try to have 0%, but it never really ends up that way.
DB Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 800 under investigation doesn't necessarily mean 800 will be found guilty. it is common for accusations to be made that are baseless, and I suspect that historically this resulted in only cursory investigations of complaints, which then allows the scum to succeed for longer. Someone kicked over the bucket so now everything is likely to be taken more seriously. At least for a while.
Murph Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 True, when I closed out my career working as the IA, a good 85+% of complaints were totally groundless, and about 50% of those were demonstrably false. The remainder were things like "He was rude to me", "Or he made me late to my appointment". Only a very very few were real. Many years ago I pulled over a young woman (not lady) for reckless driving, she was all over the road because she was putting on makeup while talking on the phone, and steering with her knees. I walked up and she was wearing a sheer shirt and no bra, a mini skirt and no panties. She snapped at me to "hurry the "F" up since she was late for a meeting with her professor!" She was headed up to Texas State University in San Marcos, and unfortunately for her, she was late. The old Sheriff then tore a strip off of me for the number of tickets I wrote her, and made me tear up all but one. But she was late, very late to her "appointment".
sunday Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Murph said: True, when I closed out my career working as the IA, a good 85+% of complaints were totally groundless, and about 50% of those were demonstrably false. The remainder were things like "He was rude to me", "Or he made me late to my appointment". Only a very very few were real. Many years ago I pulled over a young woman (not lady) for reckless driving, she was all over the road because she was putting on makeup while talking on the phone, and steering with her knees. I walked up and she was wearing a sheer shirt and no bra, a mini skirt and no panties. She snapped at me to "hurry the "F" up since she was late for a meeting with her professor!" She was headed up to Texas State University in San Marcos, and unfortunately for her, she was late. The old Sheriff then tore a strip off of me for the number of tickets I wrote her, and made me tear up all but one. But she was late, very late to her "appointment". My female students trying to improve their marks only batted their eyelashes! Is that a Texas thing?
Murph Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 I am not sure, but I suspect she was going for the "A" in the class.
Tim Sielbeck Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 Sounds like she was trying for an advanced Mrs. Degree.
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