When Defending Cops Becomes Impossible

[rmgill]

 

 

[Murph]

Ok, in Texas what they are doing is called an FE&D (Forcible Entry and Detainer), and is handled by the JP Court and Constables.  We (Sheriff's Offices can do it, but the Constables handle most of them).  What they did was wrong, weird, and why were they not in uniform?  Here the Civil guys are in uniform.  Also they have to have the court papers with them, and are not allowed to cut cameras, etc.  I cannot speak about West Virginia.  

It initially looked like Narcs to me.  

[Ivanhoe]

Murph, the word you are looking for is "criminals."

No warrant, no exigent circumstances => criminal. Armed while B&E => felons. 

 

[rmgill]

Likely they were way off the reservation and needed to be jerked up short by a set of bracelets and ankle irons. 

[Steven P Allen]

I doubt that the legal judgment came out of the creeps' pockets, but perhaps it will hurt the dept. enough to put a tighter leash on their attack dogs.

[DKTanker]

Murph, have you kept up with the Aaron Dean case?  Ft Worth officer sentenced to 12 years for manslaughter as a result of shooting a woman pointing a gun through a window while responding to an "Open Door" call.

[Murph]

I have not, but I will look at it when I get home.  Sometimes I just wish media and some prosecutors could spend a week doing that job.  Just a week on the streets having to make decisions in a split second.  

[Murph]

20 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

Murph, the word you are looking for is "criminals."

No warrant, no exigent circumstances => criminal. Armed while B&E => felons. 

 

I cannot disagree.

[nitflegal]

On 12/16/2022 at 1:26 PM, Murph said:

Small people can fight hard, and it is really tough when you are NOT trying to hurt them.  It is over in a few seconds if you are trying to hurt them.  We (cops) try not to hurt people intentionally, but sometimes it happens.

Former club bouncer here says

[DB]

Drunk people and those in the depths of the "Red Mist" fight stupid, too. Struggling against a pile of people who individually weigh more than you will tear muscles and damage joints pretty severely when you're fully committed.

[rmgill]

People hopped up on PCP (edit I plead lack of caffine me lud)  and other drugs can also fight amazingly well in-part because they don't feel the pain. They also sweat and have usually discarded clothes which adds to the complexity. Then they cone down off the drugs and go into cardiac arrest. And the. Everyone wonders 'why that mean old cop kilt that poor sweet boy.'

Edited December 23, 2022 by rmgill

[Murph]

A friend who was on Dallas PD related a story from many years ago, he responded to a call of a naked woman with a knife who had carved up her boyfriend.  As he was enroute, it became a "shots fired" call.  He arrived and there was a deceased 300+ naked woman with 10 bullet holes in her, one right between the eyes.  There was also a very dead 140-150lb naked male with multiple stab wounds.  

What I was told that an officer and his trainee had arrived, the woman lunged at them.  The rookie put 6 rounds of .357 magnum in the "10 ring".  At which point the woman stated: "You can't hurt me I am INVINCIBLE!"  The trainer put four rounds of .45 Long Colt into her, the last right between the running lights, which finally turned her off.   Autopsy and investigation revealed a paranoid schizophrenic on PCP.  According to the ME, she was clinically dead after the first six rounds.  

The rookie went back to Dallas PD, took his stuff off, walked out the door, and they never saw him again.  The trainer got the twitches every time someone said; "I'm Invincible".   The media went into "why did they have to shoot her so many times".  This was in the mid 1990's.

[rmgill]

My friend here in Atl who is a very experienced and large officer described one encounter with a little lanky PCP berserker as one of his most near edge fights of his career. He described how when the PCP berserker grabbed his arm in the scuffle the grip was like when as a child your father grabs ahold of your arm in a very bad moment of you've really pissed off your dad and you aren't getting him to let go. 
 

None of the usual hand ti hand stuff worked and the pain compliance tricks just made the guy more angry. 
 

From seeing the footage of dudes who have torn their clothes off in sub zero weather and then are ranting, crying, raging and then calm in rapid succession. Yeah. Prosecutors and other folks need to have some grounding in that reality of shoot don't shoot...

[sunday]

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If your home is broken into in the UK, the Police literally don't respond anymore.

Yet if you pray silently outside an abortion clinic, they'll search and arrest you.

https://gab.com/TommyRobinsonOfficial/posts/109558679049124580

https://nypost.com/2022/12/22/uk-woman-arrested-for-praying-across-from-abortion-clinic/

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/253131/woman-arrested-by-english-police-for-silent-prayer-in-buffer-zone-near-abortion-facility

[DB]

8 hours ago, rmgill said:

My friend here in Atl who is a very experienced and large officer described one encounter with a little lanky PCP berserker as one of his most near edge fights of his career. He described how when the PCP berserker grabbed his arm in the scuffle the grip was like when as a child your father grabs ahold of your arm in a very bad moment of you've really pissed off your dad and you aren't getting him to let go. 
 

None of the usual hand ti hand stuff worked and the pain compliance tricks just made the guy more angry. 
 

From seeing the footage of dudes who have torn their clothes off in sub zero weather and then are ranting, crying, raging and then calm in rapid succession. Yeah. Prosecutors and other folks need to have some grounding in that reality of shoot don't shoot...

Bodycam footage is your friend...

[rmgill]

This was before body cams. And they don't help much when you are on the ground in a hard scuffle. Though if you have footage of a dude in subzero weather with most of his clothes torn off, there are some strong indicators there. 

[Sardaukar]

18 hours ago, rmgill said:

My friend here in Atl who is a very experienced and large officer described one encounter with a little lanky PCP berserker as one of his most near edge fights of his career. He described how when the PCP berserker grabbed his arm in the scuffle the grip was like when as a child your father grabs ahold of your arm in a very bad moment of you've really pissed off your dad and you aren't getting him to let go. 
 

None of the usual hand ti hand stuff worked and the pain compliance tricks just made the guy more angry. 
 

From seeing the footage of dudes who have torn their clothes off in sub zero weather and then are ranting, crying, raging and then calm in rapid succession. Yeah. Prosecutors and other folks need to have some grounding in that reality of shoot don't shoot...

I saw in past incident in hospital emergency when about 45kg (100 lb.) small woman in psychoses fought 2 big policemen and 2 big male nurses. One of the police had to punch the lights out of that woman before they got her into restraints. She broke a nose from one of the male nurses.

Drugs and psychoses make people really strong and immune to pain etc. 

[TrustMe]

Serial rapist police officer caught.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-64289461

[DB]

2 hours ago, TrustMe said:

Serial rapist police officer caught.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-64289461

Don't agree with death penalties, but if we had the death penalty, I might make an exception here.

[Murph]

Sounds like he needs to spend a lot of time in a British Prison.  

[TrustMe]

Let's hope he never gets out.

[Murph]

Does the British prison system have life without parole?  

[TrustMe]

6 minutes ago, Murph said:

Does the British prison system have life without parole?  

We do but In the British court system when we say "life" it can mean different things. Also, their is also a "tariff" amount attached to the "life" sentance.

For example, if you commit a murder or rape you probably will get "Life with a Tariff of 15 years" the Tariff means the "minimum" amout of years you have to be in prison. But it doesn't necessarily mean you will get out after 15 years it could be longer.

There is also a "natural life" tariff you can get. This is usually only given for the most horrific crimes, or repeat offenders.

 

[Murph]

Thank you that cleared things up.  

[TrustMe]

3 minutes ago, Murph said:

Thank you that cleared things up.  

One other thing I should mention. In the UK politicans can have a veto on any person sent to prison. This veto allows anyone to be detained longer if a policican says so. In high profile cases, a politican can veto a parole simply for political reasons such as trying to get votes or to show how tough on crime a politican is.

I don't think in the US a politican can do things like that.