When Defending Cops Becomes Impossible

[rmgill]

1 minute ago, R011 said:

You don't need to go back 150 years.  Just over fifty years ago the New Society was helping to ruin Black families while Urban Renewal destroyed their communities.  All with the best intentions, of course.

Oh but you see that's something the left see's as good. They do NOT see the failures that we can see coming to a head in places like Chicago, San Francisco, LA and other places as being caused by any of their policies of ultimately the great society movement. 
 

 

[DB]

10 hours ago, R011 said:

Maybe it's because our underclass of former slaves and indigenous people is much smaller than the US.

You might be onto something there.

I mean, are you suggesting that perhaps the excessively high murder rate and high incidence of police shootings (in both directions) might be a societal problem and require some sort of societal response? I suppose the current solution, which is to ghettoise the problem sections of society to keep them away from all the good folk, and keep them ignorant so you can say that everything is their own fault whilst pretending that they have the freedom to try to escape so you can sleep at night with that squeaky clean conscience?

Maybe I'm projecting some sort of liberal commie nonsense, and we know where that goes.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

[Steven P Allen]

18 hours ago, R011 said:

Maybe it's because our underclass of former slaves and indigenous people is much smaller than the US.

Let's be precise here.

First of all, except for a few rescued folks who were once held for sexual exploitation and a handful of refugees from other places, there are exactly NO former slaves in the United States.  There are no children of slaves or even grandchildren of slaves.  I doubt there are any great children (though the likelihood rises at that point).

Second of all, there no Indigenous People at all in the US.  Not one human is or ever was indigenous to the N. American continent.   All are descended from migratory ancestors, whether thousands of years ago or hundreds or dozens.

The perpetuation of these profoundly inaccurate labels aggravates the festering social problems.

 

[FALightFighter]

12 minutes ago, Steven P Allen said:

Let's be precise here.

First of all, except for a few rescued folks who were once held for sexual exploitation and a handful of refugees from other places, there are exactly NO former slaves in the United States.  There are no children of slaves or even grandchildren of slaves.  I doubt there are any great children (though the likelihood rises at that point).

 

Apparently there are a few outliers who are actually the grandchildren of people that were born into slavery before 1865, due to  their dod circumstances like people with much younger wives who fathered children late in life. It wouldn't be outrageous for a man born in 1850 to father a child in 1900, 1910, or even 1920. Adding those same distance should to another generation yields children born as late as 1990 (although a father and son both fathering children at 70 is highly unlikely), or more realistically (50 years old for both) would give you 1950, which means the grandchild would be 72 this year, not exactly incredibly ancient. And that's with a free 15 years at the beginning by starting in 1850. 

 

I agree with the point that the number is extremely small, to the point of statistical insignificance.

[rmgill]

8 hours ago, DB said:

You might be onto something there.

I mean, are you suggesting that perhaps the excessively high murder rate and high incidence of police shootings (in both directions) might be a societal problem and require some sort of societal response? I suppose the current solution, which is to ghettoise the problem sections of society to keep them away from all the good folk, and keep them ignorant so you can say that everything is their own fault whilst pretending that they have the freedom to try to escape so you can sleep at night with that squeaky clean conscience?

Maybe I'm projecting some sort of liberal commie nonsense, and we know where that goes.

Well the response is not to keep throwing money at them without cost or effort. That's been going on for 60 plus years. So, yeah, no commie nonsense. Again, look to Sowell on this. Or heck, Larry Elder. 

[R011]

10 hours ago, DB said:

You might be onto something there.

I mean, are you suggesting that perhaps the excessively high murder rate and high incidence of police shootings (in both directions) might be a societal problem and require some sort of societal response? I suppose the current solution, which is to ghettoise the problem sections of society to keep them away from all the good folk, and keep them ignorant so you can say that everything is their own fault whilst pretending that they have the freedom to try to escape so you can sleep at night with that squeaky clean conscience?

Maybe I'm projecting some sort of liberal commie nonsense, and we know where that goes.

What a marvelous idea!  They could pass laws permitting people to live wherever they wanted and hire stern but fair principals to teach kids that "acting White" i.e. getting good grades, not assaulting teachers and other students, and sitting quietly in class, is cool.

With a magic wand, Canada could reverse nearly two centuries of cultural genocide and family destruction and make reserves economically supporting regardless of size and location.  Of course, trusting these tasks to governments that can't figure out how to give then drinkable water might be nice.  Maybe if Justin virtue signals a bit more?

[R011]

1 hour ago, Steven P Allen said:

Let's be precise here.

First of all, except for a few rescued folks who were once held for sexual exploitation and a handful of refugees from other places, there are exactly NO former slaves in the United States.  There are no children of slaves or even grandchildren of slaves.  I doubt there are any great children (though the likelihood rises at that point).

Second of all, there no Indigenous People at all in the US.  Not one human is or ever was indigenous to the N. American continent.   All are descended from migratory ancestors, whether thousands of years ago or hundreds or dozens.

The perpetuation of these profoundly inaccurate labels aggravates the festering social problems.

 

Agreed on precision.  That should have been "descendants of former slaves".  I'm sure everyone here knew it was meant thus, but such carelessness is a bad habit to acquire and some elsewhere have a shakey grasp of history and time.

As for "Indigenous People", that's the widely accepted way to refer to the people who were here before Europeans showed up.  Other descriptors can be picked apart just as easily and mostly just as pointlessly.

[Steven P Allen]

1 hour ago, R011 said:

As for "Indigenous People", that's the widely accepted way to refer to the people who were here before Europeans showed up.  Other descriptors can be picked apart just as easily and mostly just as pointlessly.

I don't think it pointless.  It is used to excoriate after-comers (and their descendants) for doing more or less the earlier peoples did.

[R011]

If you say so.  It's certainly no different than "Aboriginal"  or "Native", and "First Nations" has the implication that there were Eurasian style nation states occupying the whole of the Americas.  Everyone else just finds it a much better description than "Indian", especially as one finds more people who actually are from India in North America than those identifying as "American Indian, Alaska Native, or Pacific Islander".

 

 

 

 

 

[JWB]

Florida cop chokes female colleague who tried to de-escalate Black man's arrest.

https://www.rawstory.com/police-brutality-2656410384/

[rmgill]

The audio might be useful. 

It might be dispositive or it my be excoriating. 

One thing to think, you're in a tense situation with a senior NCO. You put hands on him rightly or wrongly. He very well might not respond well to that. I can see an argument that he might be right to have done so. 

This is a wait and see what more information comes out. 

[NickM]

52 minutes ago, rmgill said:

The audio might be useful. 

It might be dispositive or it my be excoriating. 

One thing to think, you're in a tense situation with a senior NCO. You put hands on him rightly or wrongly. He very well might not respond well to that. I can see an argument that he might be right to have done so. 

This is a wait and see what more information comes out. 

why does Raw Story always seem to edit their feed?

[rmgill]

Look at their main page and the timbre of the headlines and the photos for them. 

They're more slanted than a Talladega's NASCAR track turns. 

[R011]

Even Wikipedia notes they're "progressive", "hyperpartisan", and "clickbait" with a big section on controversies and errors.  It might be prudent to see what other news outlets report.

[rmgill]

Or see what Doughnut and Angry Cops say. 

 

[NickM]

21 hours ago, R011 said:

Even Wikipedia notes they're "progressive", "hyperpartisan", and "clickbait" with a big section on controversies and errors.  It might be prudent to see what other news outlets report.

Way back when we were still on IMDB (RIP!)  the 'supposed selling point' was that Raw Feed was 'uncensored and unedited' footage--at least that's what the 'trolls' told me.: 'see for yourself and then decide'.

[NickM]

13 hours ago, rmgill said:

Or see what Doughnut and Angry Cops say. 

 

Hmmm...would an incident such as this be on Doughnut's 'radar'?

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, NickM said:

Hmmm...would an incident such as this be on Doughnut's 'radar'?

He zero'd in on Angry Cop when he was Angry Drill Sgt tackling someone who needed it in the buffalo local news. 

Besides he has an army of twitter and other Social media followers sending him everything. 

Edited January 20, 2022 by rmgill

[Angrybk]

Worst Deep South Speed Trap Town story you'll ever read, and kudos for local Alabama news for pointing it out. (Link I posted provides more context).

https://jalopnik.com/this-tiny-alabama-town-of-1-200-has-been-overrun-by-pol-1848389331

 

[sunday]

Small traffic incident plus DUI lead to a broken neck and a man paralyzed for life...

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/watch-elderly-army-vet-paralyzed-after-cops-handcuff-him-break-his-neck-during-traffic-stop/

[rmgill]

I'm curious if the footage of the body cam includes the Radiologist telling the officer "oh yeah, he IS paralyzed, I can see the injury". 

I see things like that and I'd like to see those officers put into positions where they're in excruciating pain and then told to relax. And then when they don't they get thumped in the nuts to make them comply more. Then let them up and see how they feel. Sort of like getting tazed or pepper sprayed in order to use the techniques. 

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by rmgill

[Ivanhoe]

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/02/the-lonesome-death-of-amir-locke.php

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Amir Locke was killed in the course of the execution of a no-knock search warrant by Minneapolis police this past Wednesday. On Thursday evening the police released bodycam footage (in slow-motion and real time) from one of the officers executing the warrant (not the shooter). YouTube has made the video and several local news stories that include it age-restricted. As I write, the brief KARE 11 story below including some of the bodycam footage is generally accessible.

At first blush, sounds like a world-class F-up.

Early in the story, but one thing that struck me (i.e. the curious case of the dog that didn't bark) is why a law-abiding young guy was sleeping on someone's couch with a gun under the blanket. My guess at this point is that the neighborhood has gone to hell and he was there to protect some relative(s). Minneapolis being Minneapolis, it seems probable they will pull the police back further, with ensuing rise in violent crime. Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

 

[sunday]

5 hours ago, rmgill said:

I'm curious if the footage of the body cam includes the Radiologist telling the officer "oh yeah, he IS paralyzed, I can see the injury". 

I see things like that and I'd like to see those officers put into positions where they're in excruciating pain and then told to relax. And then when they don't they get thumped in the nuts to make them comply more. Then let them up and see how they feel. Sort of like getting tazed or pepper sprayed in order to use the techniques. 

 

I've not seen the entirety of the footage, but hospital staff seem to side with the police officers, wonder if the victim did something to a vehicle related to them.

[rmgill]

39 minutes ago, sunday said:

I've not seen the entirety of the footage, but hospital staff seem to side with the police officers, wonder if the victim did something to a vehicle related to them.

I suspect it's down to the usual thing of a detained suspect making claims of injury that's not supported by reality. Just in this case they did the CT scans and I guess found, that there was in fact c-spine injury. 

(Can't have been an MRI as those cuffs and the bed would have ended up on the magnet). 
 

Edited February 8, 2022 by rmgill