When Defending Cops Becomes Impossible

[MiloMorai]

7,674,580 people of colour live in Canada, or 22.3% of the total population in 2016.

The USA is about 13% is it not?

[rmgill]

18 minutes ago, MiloMorai said:

7,674,580 people of colour live in Canada, or 22.3% of the total population in 2016.

The USA is about 13% is it not?

Ahh. Yes. The "people's of color". They're all the same and are interchangeable in terms of issues problems, demographics, challenges, education, medical needs, etc. They're replaceable cogs in a system. 

I'm sure the South Asian, Filipino, East Asian and other immigrant populations that make up the bulk of that 22.3% number in Canada are going to have EXACTLY the same issues as the black residents of the projects of Chicago. 

The simple fact you think all the POC are the same is part of why you're so utterly blind on this stuff and why many of us are so amused by your attempts at what ever it is you think you're saying. 

As far as the US numbers, the 13% (12.7% per wiki from a source from 2017) is BLACK Americans. That's not inclusive of Asians, Native Americans, etc, etc, etc. 73% of Americans are of the White racial group which doesn't necessarily factor in Hispanic ethnicity which is a substantially different cultural group from the Anglo/Irish/French/German/Scandinavian/Italian mix that is much of the US white background. And that hispanic background can include white and/or black and/or native American as part of it's racial makeup. 

The comparison point between ethnicities is going to be a 3.5% black population in Canada vs a 12.7% in the US. And even that doesn't' differentiate between recent or past cultural details as you'll find Black Africans Fresh from Nigeria have a wholly different cultural behavior than does say black Americans making up the housing projects of Chicago. 

And if you're looking for which country _looks_ more or less diverse, your Canadian stats work out as 77.7% white vs 73% White in the US. So, Milo, you Canadians are at least 5% more white bread than US of Sam are. (No offense intended to the rest of the more sandy/gritty Canadians who represent the Vimy Ridge Contingent). 

Edited January 13, 2022 by rmgill

[R011]

1 hour ago, MiloMorai said:

7,674,580 people of colour live in Canada, or 22.3% of the total population in 2016.

The USA is about 13% is it not?

That's the percentage of Black Americans.  The corresponding number for Canada is 3.5%.  The American POC number is 36% of which 18% are Hispanic.

[rmgill]

Bear in mind that hispanic doesn't necessarily mean POC. Hispanic can be white as well in the classifications. 

[Ssnake]

This tendency of American discussions to immediately gravitate to melanin content rather than focusing on culture never ceases to amaze me.

[Tim Sielbeck]

Annoys the shit out of me.

[rmgill]

27 minutes ago, Ssnake said:

This tendency of American discussions to immediately gravitate to melanin content rather than focusing on culture never ceases to amaze me.

Yeah. It's VERY irksome. Try living it and being told you're by default guilty for the acts of people 150 years ago and that the continued guilt crosses generational boundaries. 
 

Edited January 14, 2022 by rmgill

[R011]

4 hours ago, Ssnake said:

This tendency of American discussions to immediately gravitate to melanin content rather than focusing on culture never ceases to amaze me.

I brought up the issue, though semi indirectly.  I'm not American.  

Yes, it's a matter of culture.  There's no such thing as inate criminality due to ethnic origin.  Culture in African American communities has a very toxic element to it.  There's a similar but lesser toxicity in the Black Canadian community.  Native Canadian culture was thoroughly trashed leaving those communities even worse than US inner cities.  I get the impression US Native communities were a bit less screwed over.

If you are under the impression that there is a homogeneous American culture shared by inner city people where functional families are rare and schools stopped trying because of that and those from suburban locations where they generally have functional families and schools then you are quite wrong.

[R011]

4 hours ago, rmgill said:

Yeah. It's VERY irksome. Try living it and being told you're by default guilty for the acts of people 150 years ago and that the continued guilt crosses generational boundaries. 
 

You don't need to go back 150 years.  Just over fifty years ago the New Society was helping to ruin Black families while Urban Renewal destroyed their communities.  All with the best intentions, of course.

[rmgill]

Exactly. The left wants to make everything about race and in doing so keep making the racial divisions larger. Thomas Sowell among others has made very clear points about this and which can educate those who want to become informed about it. 

 

[rmgill]

1 minute ago, R011 said:

You don't need to go back 150 years.  Just over fifty years ago the New Society was helping to ruin Black families while Urban Renewal destroyed their communities.  All with the best intentions, of course.

Oh but you see that's something the left see's as good. They do NOT see the failures that we can see coming to a head in places like Chicago, San Francisco, LA and other places as being caused by any of their policies of ultimately the great society movement. 
 

 

[DB]

10 hours ago, R011 said:

Maybe it's because our underclass of former slaves and indigenous people is much smaller than the US.

You might be onto something there.

I mean, are you suggesting that perhaps the excessively high murder rate and high incidence of police shootings (in both directions) might be a societal problem and require some sort of societal response? I suppose the current solution, which is to ghettoise the problem sections of society to keep them away from all the good folk, and keep them ignorant so you can say that everything is their own fault whilst pretending that they have the freedom to try to escape so you can sleep at night with that squeaky clean conscience?

Maybe I'm projecting some sort of liberal commie nonsense, and we know where that goes.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

[Steven P Allen]

18 hours ago, R011 said:

Maybe it's because our underclass of former slaves and indigenous people is much smaller than the US.

Let's be precise here.

First of all, except for a few rescued folks who were once held for sexual exploitation and a handful of refugees from other places, there are exactly NO former slaves in the United States.  There are no children of slaves or even grandchildren of slaves.  I doubt there are any great children (though the likelihood rises at that point).

Second of all, there no Indigenous People at all in the US.  Not one human is or ever was indigenous to the N. American continent.   All are descended from migratory ancestors, whether thousands of years ago or hundreds or dozens.

The perpetuation of these profoundly inaccurate labels aggravates the festering social problems.

 

[FALightFighter]

12 minutes ago, Steven P Allen said:

Let's be precise here.

First of all, except for a few rescued folks who were once held for sexual exploitation and a handful of refugees from other places, there are exactly NO former slaves in the United States.  There are no children of slaves or even grandchildren of slaves.  I doubt there are any great children (though the likelihood rises at that point).

 

Apparently there are a few outliers who are actually the grandchildren of people that were born into slavery before 1865, due to  their dod circumstances like people with much younger wives who fathered children late in life. It wouldn't be outrageous for a man born in 1850 to father a child in 1900, 1910, or even 1920. Adding those same distance should to another generation yields children born as late as 1990 (although a father and son both fathering children at 70 is highly unlikely), or more realistically (50 years old for both) would give you 1950, which means the grandchild would be 72 this year, not exactly incredibly ancient. And that's with a free 15 years at the beginning by starting in 1850. 

 

I agree with the point that the number is extremely small, to the point of statistical insignificance.

[rmgill]

8 hours ago, DB said:

You might be onto something there.

I mean, are you suggesting that perhaps the excessively high murder rate and high incidence of police shootings (in both directions) might be a societal problem and require some sort of societal response? I suppose the current solution, which is to ghettoise the problem sections of society to keep them away from all the good folk, and keep them ignorant so you can say that everything is their own fault whilst pretending that they have the freedom to try to escape so you can sleep at night with that squeaky clean conscience?

Maybe I'm projecting some sort of liberal commie nonsense, and we know where that goes.

Well the response is not to keep throwing money at them without cost or effort. That's been going on for 60 plus years. So, yeah, no commie nonsense. Again, look to Sowell on this. Or heck, Larry Elder. 

[R011]

10 hours ago, DB said:

You might be onto something there.

I mean, are you suggesting that perhaps the excessively high murder rate and high incidence of police shootings (in both directions) might be a societal problem and require some sort of societal response? I suppose the current solution, which is to ghettoise the problem sections of society to keep them away from all the good folk, and keep them ignorant so you can say that everything is their own fault whilst pretending that they have the freedom to try to escape so you can sleep at night with that squeaky clean conscience?

Maybe I'm projecting some sort of liberal commie nonsense, and we know where that goes.

What a marvelous idea!  They could pass laws permitting people to live wherever they wanted and hire stern but fair principals to teach kids that "acting White" i.e. getting good grades, not assaulting teachers and other students, and sitting quietly in class, is cool.

With a magic wand, Canada could reverse nearly two centuries of cultural genocide and family destruction and make reserves economically supporting regardless of size and location.  Of course, trusting these tasks to governments that can't figure out how to give then drinkable water might be nice.  Maybe if Justin virtue signals a bit more?

[R011]

1 hour ago, Steven P Allen said:

Let's be precise here.

First of all, except for a few rescued folks who were once held for sexual exploitation and a handful of refugees from other places, there are exactly NO former slaves in the United States.  There are no children of slaves or even grandchildren of slaves.  I doubt there are any great children (though the likelihood rises at that point).

Second of all, there no Indigenous People at all in the US.  Not one human is or ever was indigenous to the N. American continent.   All are descended from migratory ancestors, whether thousands of years ago or hundreds or dozens.

The perpetuation of these profoundly inaccurate labels aggravates the festering social problems.

 

Agreed on precision.  That should have been "descendants of former slaves".  I'm sure everyone here knew it was meant thus, but such carelessness is a bad habit to acquire and some elsewhere have a shakey grasp of history and time.

As for "Indigenous People", that's the widely accepted way to refer to the people who were here before Europeans showed up.  Other descriptors can be picked apart just as easily and mostly just as pointlessly.

[Steven P Allen]

1 hour ago, R011 said:

As for "Indigenous People", that's the widely accepted way to refer to the people who were here before Europeans showed up.  Other descriptors can be picked apart just as easily and mostly just as pointlessly.

I don't think it pointless.  It is used to excoriate after-comers (and their descendants) for doing more or less the earlier peoples did.

[R011]

If you say so.  It's certainly no different than "Aboriginal"  or "Native", and "First Nations" has the implication that there were Eurasian style nation states occupying the whole of the Americas.  Everyone else just finds it a much better description than "Indian", especially as one finds more people who actually are from India in North America than those identifying as "American Indian, Alaska Native, or Pacific Islander".

 

 

 

 

 

[Stefan Fredriksson]

 

[JWB]

Florida cop chokes female colleague who tried to de-escalate Black man's arrest.

https://www.rawstory.com/police-brutality-2656410384/

[rmgill]

The audio might be useful. 

It might be dispositive or it my be excoriating. 

One thing to think, you're in a tense situation with a senior NCO. You put hands on him rightly or wrongly. He very well might not respond well to that. I can see an argument that he might be right to have done so. 

This is a wait and see what more information comes out. 

[NickM]

52 minutes ago, rmgill said:

The audio might be useful. 

It might be dispositive or it my be excoriating. 

One thing to think, you're in a tense situation with a senior NCO. You put hands on him rightly or wrongly. He very well might not respond well to that. I can see an argument that he might be right to have done so. 

This is a wait and see what more information comes out. 

why does Raw Story always seem to edit their feed?

[rmgill]

Look at their main page and the timbre of the headlines and the photos for them. 

They're more slanted than a Talladega's NASCAR track turns.