When Defending Cops Becomes Impossible

[Mr King]

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We cant long term jail VIOLENT OFFENDERS because we need them as male role models.

This is certifiably some of the most retarded shit I have ever read. Now the question is, are you the kind of naive liberal who has never lived around these kind of "male role models" or are you one of the extra retarded ones that does and and has a delusion about being their "ally"

Edited January 28 by Mr King

[Skywalkre]

16 minutes ago, Mr King said:

This is certifiably some of the most retarded shit I have ever read. Now the question is, are you the kind of naive liberal who has never lived around these kind of "male role models" or are you one of the extra retarded ones that does and and has a delusion about being their "ally"

Some of us can make a point without manipulating a quote...

I didn't say don't lock them up at all or even for long.  I said locking them up for longer than they have now will impact certain groups in this country more than others.  Cops/DAs are known to throw everything at someone in hopes something sticks.  We've had plenty of examples in this very thread where 'violent' behavior didn't exist at all when the footage was reviewed.  You now start adding even more time to folks convicted of this and those in this country that can't afford good legal counsel will get screwed and you absolutely will be causing issues back at home (because said individuals already have a host of factors in their lives and the lives of their loved ones that set them up for failure).

[Mr King]

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Locking up folks for violent crimes of any kind longer than we have already would disproportionately impact the poor and further remove male role models from the parts of our country that need them the most.  There was some interesting data points during COVID when at-risk, older offenders were released early back into bad neighborhoods and they actually saw a reduction of crime in some places when the rest of the country was seeing an increase.  The theory was you were getting male role models into places where young men had none.

I didn't manipulate a thing. It's called summarizing.

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Cops, if anything, get paid too much as is.  There are issues in too many places where that increased pay means fewer cops on the street which means lesser crimes get no response.  I think everyone would agree they need more training, though.

You know a great number of cops often make not much more than minimum wage and have to purchase their own gear?

 

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I said locking them up for longer than they have now will impact certain groups in this country more than others. 

Maybe those groups should stop committing so much violent crime.

I say we compromise. Wall off Southern California, and we will send all of the countries most violent crime offenders there to live. We will also send all of your fellow bleeding hearts, especially the wealthy ones who currently reside in gated communities, to live there too. You guys can live in harmony as next door neighbors. Raise all the taxes you want on yourselves, implement all of the most woke policy you can think of, but you can't leave.  There is no moving out to red states and areas. You're there for good.

 

[rmgill]

6 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

  I said locking them up for longer than they have now will impact certain groups in this country more than others.  Cops/DAs are known to throw everything at someone in hopes something sticks.

You object to this on principle? 

[LeeWalls]

Sadly, cops in the U.S. are just the other side of the same low-IQ thug coin as BLM/Antifa.   Many jurisdictions actually require police to fail an intelligence test as a precondition of employment because "smart people don't make good cops."  Yes, this is actually true!   Nasty, brutish thugs with no respect for law and a gangster attitude -- they think habitually perjuring themselves is funny ("testilying," they call it).   Just the lowest form of human garbage right up there with your average Oakland resident.

[sunday]

11 minutes ago, LeeWalls said:

Sadly, cops in the U.S. are just the other side of the same low-IQ thug coin as BLM/Antifa.   Many jurisdictions actually require police to fail an intelligence test as a precondition of employment because "smart people don't make good cops."  Yes, this is actually true!   Nasty, brutish thugs with no respect for law and a gangster attitude -- they think habitually perjuring themselves is funny ("testilying," they call it).   Just the lowest form of human garbage right up there with your average Oakland resident.

Perhaps you may want to move to Texas...

[rmgill]

7 hours ago, LeeWalls said:

Sadly, cops in the U.S. are just the other side of the same low-IQ thug coin as BLM/Antifa.   Many jurisdictions actually require police to fail an intelligence test as a precondition of employment because "smart people don't make good cops."  Yes, this is actually true!   Nasty, brutish thugs with no respect for law and a gangster attitude -- they think habitually perjuring themselves is funny ("testilying," they call it).   Just the lowest form of human garbage right up there with your average Oakland resident.

A friend was 'counciled' on his overly intelligent level of vocabulary. Having corrected a dispatcher that no, "X" really is a real word. He sent her a photo copy of the dictionary page in inter office mail.

[rmgill]

7 hours ago, sunday said:

Perhaps you may want to move to Texas...

I'm currently looking at a job with Oracle in Abilene....Waiting to hear back...

[Murph]

Best of Luck.  

[Murph]

7 hours ago, LeeWalls said:

Sadly, cops in the U.S. are just the other side of the same low-IQ thug coin as BLM/Antifa.   Many jurisdictions actually require police to fail an intelligence test as a precondition of employment because "smart people don't make good cops."  Yes, this is actually true!   Nasty, brutish thugs with no respect for law and a gangster attitude -- they think habitually perjuring themselves is funny ("testilying," they call it).   Just the lowest form of human garbage right up there with your average Oakland resident.

I have never heard that.  Now mind you I spent 30+ years in Texas law enforcement where things are generally different although I will admit we have our complete morons (usually municipal officers, or constables).  I have seen the result of a deputy who "testilyed" and he was banned by the judge from ever appearing in his courtroom again.  He left and went to a different agency very soon afterwards.  

I am shocked at California though, since they have set the standard with POST for law enforcement training and education, but again municipal agencies subject to "woke", DEI, and EEO hiring tend to fall to the lowest common denominator.  

[rmgill]

The more democrats you have in the mix, the more fucked up your police standards are going to be. 

[Murph]

Ignore him, he lies all the time, pretending to erudite with bogus "facts" pulled from brain dead hard left sites, that "prove" the problem is 100% white males due to "Patriarchy", "Implicit bias", blah, blah, he is not even worth responding to anymore since he spouts 100% lies and leftwing propaganda.

[Murph]

Just now, rmgill said:

The more democrats you have in the mix, the more fucked up your police standards are going to be. 

DING! DING! DING! That is 100% correct.  

[sunday]

9 minutes ago, rmgill said:

I'm currently looking at a job with Oracle in Abilene....Waiting to hear back...

That was directed to @LeeWalls, expecting some explanation by our local Texan retired Peace Officer.

Best wishes in your professional life. Also, a bit curious about how do you plan to move all your stuff, especially the SnapOn collection.

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[rmgill]

10 minutes ago, sunday said:

That was directed to @LeeWalls, expecting some explanation by our local Texan retired Peace Officer.

Oh, I know. I'm just noting various things about Texas that are ideal. Having been looking for a better job for a few years, I've been noting details about various states. I've shoo'd away a number of recruiters pitching jobs in New York, New Jersey and the west Coast. 

10 minutes ago, sunday said:

Best wishes in your professional life. Also, a bit curious about how do you plan to move all your stuff, especially the SnapOn collection.

Rent my house to a friend who's in an apartment, shift things in lifts. Having an M35A2 that I can load with a bunch of gear is workable (or get it moved on a low boy). It's probably the sort of job that would also have a move allowance. Some stuff would stay here for a while. There would probably be a move of tools in a container I loaded and a move of the military vehicles and stuff on a lowboy in one large lift (equipment trailer, jeep project, Ferret). 

[Mr King]

8 hours ago, LeeWalls said:

Sadly, cops in the U.S. are just the other side of the same low-IQ thug coin as BLM/Antifa.   Many jurisdictions actually require police to fail an intelligence test as a precondition of employment because "smart people don't make good cops."  Yes, this is actually true!   Nasty, brutish thugs with no respect for law and a gangster attitude -- they think habitually perjuring themselves is funny ("testilying," they call it).   Just the lowest form of human garbage right up there with your average Oakland resident.

The only time I have heard of departments lowering standards was when they passed over higher performing white male candidates to hire lower performing minorities or women.

[Murph]

1 minute ago, Mr King said:

The only time I have heard of departments lowering standards was when they passed over higher performing white male candidates to hire lower performing minorities or women.

100% correct, the toxic DEI/EEO effect.  

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, Mr King said:

The only time I have heard of departments lowering standards was when they passed over higher performing white male candidates to hire lower performing minorities or women.

Back in 2000..

https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

 

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NEW LONDON, Conn., Sept. 8, 2000 -- A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city. 

The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.

“This kind of puts an official face on discrimination in America against people of a certain class,” Jordan said today from his Waterford home. “I maintain you have no more control over your basic intelligence than your eye color or your gender or anything else.”

He said he does not plan to take any further legal action.

Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.

Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.

Jordan alleged his rejection from the police force was discrimination. He sued the city, saying his civil rights were violated because he was denied equal protection under the law.

But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover.

Jordan has worked as a prison guard since he took the test.

 

 

[Murph]

Notice where that is, New London, run by Democraps.  

[Mr King]

38 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Back in 2000..

https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

 

 

Thanks I was not aware of that one.

[rmgill]

I’ve been paying attention to these issues since I was a bright eyed bushy tailed Clinton supporter in the early 90s and discussing how police departments did things with a friend who later started working for Atlanta police Department in their Internal Affairs unit. 

[Ivanhoe]

I believe Snap-On tools are illegal in Texas. You can drop them off with me, I'll be sure to dispose of them safely.

 

[rmgill]

Nice try. 

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[rmgill]

That looks VERY bad.