Murph Posted July 2, 2024 Posted July 2, 2024 On 6/18/2024 at 11:51 PM, rmgill said: Considering the DOJ's stance on the Texas Case with the child sex change operations, I'm a bit skeptical of the DOJ's even-handedness in this. I'm open to convincing, but frankly, given the number of very clear case that the DOJ has taken up on the liberal side that were not in fact bad shoots, while ignoring their own (J6 shooting) I'm exceedingly skeptical. And that comes, again I'll note, from seeing decades of the DOJ not policing their own, like the FBI's method of 'recording' statements OR dealing with their own attorneys who violate the canon of ethics. Agreed here. I have no tolerance for bad cops, but the DOJ does not have a track record that inspires hope.
Ivanhoe Posted July 3, 2024 Posted July 3, 2024 13 hours ago, Wobbly Head said: The main aim of gun control is not to control the gun, but to control the people with the gun. The left is perfectly fine with criminals having guns. They are not fine with regular folks having guns. The 1960s showed that the left is totally fine with political violence, and will deploy criminals to create a climate of fear, reprised in 2020.
Ivanhoe Posted July 3, 2024 Posted July 3, 2024 8 hours ago, JWB said: Amusingly, the national press and social media are making this case out to be proof of "rural racism." So of course I did a little digging. Results of an exhausting 3 minute googling; Board of Supervisors: Sheriff; Judge Marcus Fisher, the judge who convicted and then overturned her convictions; County Prosecuting Attorney;
NickM Posted July 4, 2024 Posted July 4, 2024 3 hours ago, Ivanhoe said: Amusingly, the national press and social media are making this case out to be proof of "rural racism." So of course I did a little digging. Results of an exhausting 3 minute googling; Board of Supervisors: Sheriff; Judge Marcus Fisher, the judge who convicted and then overturned her convictions; County Prosecuting Attorney; by some miracle, I got linked to the WaPo site for the story==I lost IQ points reading all the comments.
Murph Posted July 12, 2024 Posted July 12, 2024 Sadly, that is pretty accurate. I have had armed citizens stop to help me before when I was rolling around in a bar ditch with an ol' boy that did not want to go to jail for kidnapping. I LOVE armed citizens. It makes them citizens. I also love it when we got a call from a homeowner telling us a bad guy broke into their house, please send an ambulance (for the bad guy).
rmgill Posted July 12, 2024 Posted July 12, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Murph said: Sadly, that is pretty accurate. I have had armed citizens stop to help me before when I was rolling around in a bar ditch with an ol' boy that did not want to go to jail for kidnapping. I LOVE armed citizens. It makes them citizens. I also love it when we got a call from a homeowner telling us a bad guy broke into their house, please send an ambulance (for the bad guy). A conversation with a GSP officer decades ago on the fact that for him, his nearest backup was a citizen with a gun was what clinched my changing perspective on gun control. Back when I was 20 and still thought as do many liberals. After much contemplation, I realized that there was little positive good any gun control would effect and much wrong, so I adamantly oppose it in all forms. Edited July 12, 2024 by rmgill
Ivanhoe Posted July 13, 2024 Posted July 13, 2024 I'll put this here, though it is about prosecutorial misconduct and not LEO misconduct; https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2024/07/12/alec-baldwin-manslaughter-trial-rust/1891720803841/ Quote July 12 (UPI) -- In a surprise development, the judge in Alec Baldwin's manslaughter trial dismissed the case Friday, siding with his lawyers who argued the prosecution failed to turn over vital evidence to the case. Baldwin's attorneys earlier on Friday filed a surprise motion to have the case thrown out because the state failed to turn over a box of ammunition to the defense that they argued could have been linked to the killing of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. Judge Mary Marlowe Sommer then dismissed the jury for the day to allow further review of the defense motion. By 4 p.m., Sommer threw out the case with prejudice, meaning it cannot be brought forward again. "There is no way for the court to right this wrong," Sommer said. "The sanction of dismissal is the only warranted remedy." Quote A prevailing mystery in the case was how live rounds got mixed up with blanks on the movie set. Former police officer Troy Teske turned in the batch of rounds the defense accused prosecutors of hiding to the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office in March. Teske claimed the rounds came from movie prop supplier Seth Kenney, owner of PDQ Props, and that they could match the bullet that killed Hutchins. Prosecutor Kari Morrissey argued the rounds Teske turned over did not match the rounds found on set because the primers were different colors. The above statement pretty much convicts the prosecutor of trying to frame Baldwin. The prop supplier could easily have used an assortment of primers in manufacturing real ammo as well as blanks. Quote Poppell on Thursday also testified live rounds were found in several other places on the movie set, including in another actor's bandolier, the prop cart for the film, an ammo box and two gun holsters, one of which was Baldwin's.
Stefan Fredriksson Posted July 13, 2024 Posted July 13, 2024 I think I know the answer, but - do not actors have any responsability at all concerning handling firearms/weapons on set?
bojan Posted July 13, 2024 Posted July 13, 2024 3 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said: I think I know the answer, but - do not actors have any responsability at all concerning handling firearms/weapons on set? I can only say locally - Unless they did something intentionally with a firearm (like, changing ammo loaded etc) - no. It is up the armorer. how firearms scenes are done (from 15y/o memory, so some things might be missed): - director discusses scene with armorer including how it can be done in the safe manner - armorer and director brief actors, then rehearse scene with them using non-guns (dedicated props previously, mostly airsoft nowadays). Props are in general used whenever it is possible, like guns in holsters that will not be used etc. - armorer prepares weapons, checks them multiple times for any dangerous things (like crud in the barrel that can become projectile), hands them to actors. In case of actors needing to reload he also gives them magazines/rounds etc. - scene is shot, armorer takes guns from actors. - neither actors nor extras are allowed to carry real guns off set or wherever they go. They are only "issued" real guns for a specific scene.
Murph Posted July 13, 2024 Posted July 13, 2024 While I do not like it, I can absolutely applaud this judge for not letting the Proscutors act like the DOJ/FBI and lie, and hide evidence. It was the only right call the judge could make. My buddy who is a long term cameraman on such things as NCIS: New Orleans, etc, says that actors are generally trusting of the armorer and directors about guns, but Baldwin was jacking around and not using safe gun handling. Plus he has other culpability. But as I said it was the only right call that could be made. Cops and Prosecutors HAVE to play by the rules, as much as that sucks at times.
JWB Posted July 13, 2024 Posted July 13, 2024 Will that prosecutor be punished for lying to the jury?
rmgill Posted July 13, 2024 Posted July 13, 2024 14 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said: I think I know the answer, but - do not actors have any responsability at all concerning handling firearms/weapons on set? He wasn't JUST an actor. Baldwin was also the Producer. From Master Class What Is a Producer? A producer is the person responsible for finding and launching a project; arranging financing financing; hiring writers, a director, and key members of the creative team; and overseeing all elements of pre-production, production and post-production, right up to release. It is not uncommon for a film production or TV show to have several producers. Some producers hold the title in name only, in exchange for ceding rights to the story, for example, or contributing financing to the film. But most producers actively work on set, overseeing production logistics from start to finish, in close collaboration with the director. The Producers Guild of America is the principal professional organization of producers in Hollywood.
DB Posted July 19, 2024 Posted July 19, 2024 If Baldwin's behaviour included "jacking around", then his incompetence (or negligence) should have been countered by the domain expert - i.e. the armourer. If his position as "star" and producer meant that she didn't feel she had the power to stop him from misbehaving, she should have walked away. I suspect that her relative youth and inexperience is a major factor here. Can you tell who has just completed their annual corporate ethics refresher?
Ivanhoe Posted July 21, 2024 Posted July 21, 2024 https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/07/19/illinois-deputy-charged-sonya-massey/ Quote An Illinois sheriff’s deputy has been charged with first-degree murder for allegedly shooting an unarmed Black woman in her house after she called 911 to report a prowler. Sean Grayson, 30, was one of two Sangamon County sheriff’s deputies who went to 36-year-old Sonya Massey’s house in Springfield, Ill., early on July 6. Within a half-hour, Grayson had shot Massey in the face and — as she lay dying — told another deputy not to bother with trying to save her, prosecutors allege. . Quote Then, Grayson allegedly fired three times at Massey, hitting her once in the face. Only then did Grayson turn on his body camera, Rodgers said, contrasting his actions with those of the other deputy, who turned on his camera upon arriving at Massey’s house. There have been enough of these situations now. IMHO, if an officer turns the bodycam off, it needs to be grounds for immediate termination and maybe a TRO so that they can be disarmed.
NickM Posted July 21, 2024 Posted July 21, 2024 30 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/07/19/illinois-deputy-charged-sonya-massey/ . There have been enough of these situations now. IMHO, if an officer turns the bodycam off, it needs to be grounds for immediate termination and maybe a TRO so that they can be disarmed. Just in time for The DNC convention and the presidential elections! Another attempt to shore up the base?
Murph Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 23 hours ago, Ivanhoe said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/07/19/illinois-deputy-charged-sonya-massey/ . There have been enough of these situations now. IMHO, if an officer turns the bodycam off, it needs to be grounds for immediate termination and maybe a TRO so that they can be disarmed. I cannot but completely agree. We have a 100% bodycam policy, now if the cam runs out of power (which happens sometimes), or breaks during a fight (it happens), those are exceptions, otherwise you had BETTER have that camera on.
Skywalkre Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 I was just going to post this but glad to see it's been taken care of. That footage from the other officer has been released... and this may be up there as the most egregious shooting by an LEO that I've ever seen. https://www.nbcnews.com/video/bodycam-shows-moment-police-fatally-shot-illinois-woman-sonya-massey-215428165541 The LEO who fired the shots had apparently worked for six different agencies in just under four years. Supposedly one of those stints he was fired from for DUI and then another nearby agency picked him up immediately. If I were a betting man, and seeing how he turned on a fucking dime for no reason in the footage, probably a safe bet there were issues everywhere and yet he kept finding work. FFS...
rmgill Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 (edited) Hang on. She was holding the boiling water was she not? Is that unarmed? She expressed an intent to throw it on the officers did she not? Can a pot of boiling water thrown on a person cause significant bodily injury? Egregious would be an unarmed person standing in their window with no weapon. This was not that. She was not simply standing there. Edited July 23, 2024 by rmgill
Skywalkre Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 6 minutes ago, rmgill said: Hang on. She was holding the boiling water was she not? Is that unarmed? She expressed an intent to throw it on the officers did she not? Can a pot of boiling water thrown on a person cause significant bodily injury? Egregious would be an unarmed person standing in their window with no weapon. This was not that. She was not simply standing there. How to tell someone hasn't watched the vid without them saying they haven't watched the vid...
rmgill Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 (edited) I watched the vid. Did you watch the video? Make a case for why a pot of boiling water is not a serious threat. Edited July 24, 2024 by rmgill
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