Josh Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 The ideal would be a highly dispersed and highly mobile system that was effectively networked and drew it targeting information from a wide range of sensors and platforms. CAMM L is a step in the right direction, but I would like to see launchers that were smaller and more mobile and a wider range of missiles with alternate seekers. The US army is working on something along those lines, surprisingly: Multi-Mission Launcher http://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/missile-defense-systems-2/future-bmd-systems-2/multi-mission-launcher-mml/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Werb Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 The ideal would be a highly dispersed and highly mobile system that was effectively networked and drew it targeting information from a wide range of sensors and platforms. CAMM L is a step in the right direction, but I would like to see launchers that were smaller and more mobile and a wider range of missiles with alternate seekers.The US army is working on something along those lines, surprisingly: Multi-Mission Launcher http://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/missile-defense-systems-2/future-bmd-systems-2/multi-mission-launcher-mml/ Yes, that looks really impressive and very versatile with the option of C-RAM and even long range anti tank missiles. What that system lacks, however is an active radar SAM with decent range. CAMM-L can launch standard and ER active radar missiles (the latter with >45km range). The CAMM-L can be demounted from the MAN HX 8x8 truck, which is meant to free up trucks for other uses. How much of a good idea that might be in practice remains to be seen - I have my doubts. I see these two systems as potentially complementary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Perhaps in the future AMRAAM could be adapted to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Werb Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Perhaps in the future AMRAAM could be adapted to it. Or put an active radar seeker on AIM-9X, which does fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastdingo Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) AIM-9X is rather small diameter and a custom radar seeker development would cost A LOT.CAMM could be used. AMRAAM-ER (AIM-120D seeker + ESSM body) is the obvious choice until ESSM Blk II production exceeds naval demand.Old AMRAAM series (A, B ) munitions phased out of air force fighter use could be used, but they are not going to provide much of a protection umbrella. Their solid fuel rocket wasn't made to first climb AND reach Mach3+. Edited April 24, 2018 by lastdingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) "Old AMRAAM" would probably have life expired motors and warheads and unrepairable through obsolescence electronics.A fairly serious case of Trigger's Broom/ Washington's Axe. Edited April 25, 2018 by DB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastdingo Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 "Old AMRAAM" would probably have life expired motors and warheads and unrepairable through obsolescence electronics.A fairly serious case of Trigger's Broom/ Washington's Axe. Maybe, but the opposing power wouldn't be sure how many of those one thousand missiles are still a threat and which aren't.The military should first and foremost be about deterrence, not killing - and a free addition of uncertainty about additional firepower is welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 In which case make an "X" model out of toilet tubes and tinfoil, just keep it secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Werb Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 AIM-9X is rather small diameter and a custom radar seeker development would cost A LOT.CAMM could be used. AMRAAM-ER (AIM-120D seeker + ESSM body) is the obvious choice until ESSM Blk II production exceeds naval demand.Old AMRAAM series (A, B ) munitions phased out of air force fighter use could be used, but they are not going to provide much of a protection umbrella. Their solid fuel rocket wasn't made to first climb AND reach Mach3+. Would either AMRAAM-ER or ESSM Block II fit the Multi-Mission Launcher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastdingo Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 AMRAAM did fit on that SLAMRAAM/HUMRAAM launcherhttp://www.deagel.com/Defensive-Weapons/SL-AMRAAM_a001164005.aspxhttp://defence-blog.com/missiles/soundeluxs-per-hallberg-reprises-oscar-winning-performance.htmlbut the linkhttps://warisboring.com/the-trillion-dollar-military-budget/doesn't even mention AMRAAM. AMRAAM-ER and ESSM have more powerful initial thrust than AMRAAM and are much fatter. AMRAAM-ER flight tests used the towed NASAMS launcher, not the flashy new high mobility launcher (~HUMRAAM)https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/ausa/2016/10/04/raytheons-extended-range-amraam-missile-destroys-target-in-first-flight-test/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 On 4/3/2018 at 2:11 PM, Tantalwz88 said: Right now "Wisła" medium range is incomplete with only 2 batteries that have sixteen M901 launching stations armed only PAC-3 MSE, the next six batteries will be bought with SkyCeptor missile(Stunner derivative) this missile will be Poland main anti-aircraft missile made in large quantities for the "Wisła". Short range "Narew" program will be based on CAMM(ER ?), IRIS-T SLM or NASAMS 2 missile connected to IBCS and new radars. Although no production contract has been let, the UK option for NAREW has been downselected for further elaboration. https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/polish-armament-inspectorate-recommends-acquisitio/ https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-poland-collaborate-on-multi-billion-pound-polish-air-defence-systems I suspect that "CAMM" means "CAMM family", which would include CAMM-ER as speculated above. The expected size of the procurement means that local production of many elements is inevitable, and that's unlikely to mean only final assembly of "knock-down" kits, but fairly major sub-system assemblies. Whether that's of the missile or the launcher sub-systems and how much is likely to be part of the elaboration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 I've always thought that instead of having 4 Eurofighters on QRA in the Falklands islands we should buy a SAM system like the Patriot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanoid Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Both would be best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Whatever happened to the Roland and Rapier systems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 44 minutes ago, Rick said: Whatever happened to the Roland and Rapier systems? We still have the Rapier system in the Falklands but it's a short range air defence system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Roland was used by the other side. Rapier is past its use before date. Rapier is replaced by Sky Sabre, which is Land-based CAMM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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