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That's the point Stuart - they don't need to use it. The threat is enough. I don't think any Western power has a viable CW capabiity at present (perhaps Israel who are not going to attack Russia anytime soon). i they want to fantasise about winnable nuclear wars, they will need to keep spending on NBC defence. There aren't very many TOS-1s so they can't be a high proportion of the equipment used by Russian CBRN units - presumably they still have the highly impressive TMS-65 or similar. Any stocks the US has are presumably in time expired (and quite possibly dangerous, to the user) munitions or bulk storage. They would not be available for use in the opening stages of an otherwise conventional conflict AFAIK.

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That's the point Stuart - they don't need to use it. The threat is enough. I don't think any Western power has a viable CW capabiity at present (perhaps Israel who are not going to attack Russia anytime soon). i they want to fantasise about winnable nuclear wars, they will need to keep spending on NBC defence. There aren't very many TOS-1s so they can't be a high proportion of the equipment used by Russian CBRN units - presumably they still have the highly impressive TMS-65 or similar. Any stocks the US has are presumably in time expired (and quite possibly dangerous, to the user) munitions or bulk storage. They would not be available for use in the opening stages of an otherwise conventional conflict AFAIK.

Its my impression (and maybe the Russian posters can help on this) they are usually at Military District level NBC Brigades. Maybe they will include them in Regiments or battalion level units as they increase procurement.

 

There was a very good orbat of MR Brigade NBC Battalions you can find on Shipbucket, and clearly they DO have decontamination equipment. But equally they seemed to have an equal establishment of those 'flamethrower' units, which actually seem to be thermobaric rocket launchers. Very useful for Urban fights I guess. The rest of the kit seemed to be pretty old, dating from the cold war. Ive also read relatively little on individual Russian NBC equipment, and the for that reason ive a suspicion most of it probably isn tmuch advanced from that they had in 1989. Which for all the plaudits, was not as good as what the British Army had in that period.

 

http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1941&start=20

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They had a system (think it was based on a Zil 131 truck) that was driving around Beltring 15 years ago keeping the dust down by sprinkling water. That was part of a soviet decontamination system.

 

Hey its all good kit (Id argue they were better at deconamination than actual individual kit) I just question what good shape its in and how seriously they take it anymore. Ive seen nothing that describes decontamination exercise in the recent Zapad for example.

 

If anyone does see anything Id be very interest to read It I might add.

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In Primorye, at Turgenevsky trange, specialized units in CBRN trained in dealing with chemical warfare. Apparently enemy diversionary groups got this far and had chemical weapons with them. Although part of the exercise seems to be dealing with potential chemical or ammonia leaks from a factory, evacuating civilians, clearing gases and chemicals, so it is perhaps oriented towards consequences of damage to industrial facilities. A host of specialized equipment being used: RHM-6, TMS-65U, ARS-14KM, and smoke machines for cover TDA-3 (the latter part is to cover the movement of ground forces). About one battalion, 500 men and 100 vehicles involved in this exercise.

 

https://russianmilitaryanalysis.wordpress.com/2017/09/19/zapad-watch-round-up-of-day-five/

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This is on a post Soviet era truck. I have to love this system - NBC decontamination, massively effective smoke generation AND runway deicing in one system :)

 

https://youtu.be/w2J2ndUJo2E

 

Looks like the cold war era device on a modern lorry.

 

 

soviet TMS-65

 

 

you forgot fire extinguisher. Those are also used to put out big fires like oil wells or crashed aeroplanes etc. etc. The VEB Gaskombinat „Fritz Selbmann“ Schwarze Pumpe near Spremberg in the DDR for example had a Klimov VK-1 jet engine on an IFA lorry in its fire brigade. Or for extinguishing the burning oil wells in Kuwait similar contraptions have been used.

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Panzermann, it's conceptually the same, but there are lots of detail differences in the device itself. I'm guessing they use a more modern jet engine.

 

Here one springs a couple of fuel leaks and explodes - fortunately no one appears to have been harmed.

 

https://youtu.be/o8uu4YQjBwQ?t=53

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i think in every large-scale urban fight in a city that has any chemical industry or something like that, has much larger need for NBC recon /defence units than usually imagined. as in the training exercise scenario chris posted above - . fires, poisonous gases (even by accident, not as part of military action), cleaning, delousing etc. etc. and lets not forget saunas. if engineers dig latrines, then NBC gives you saunas. :excl:

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i think in every large-scale urban fight in a city that has any chemical industry or something like that, has much larger need for NBC recon /defence units than usually imagined. as in the training exercise scenario chris posted above - . fires, poisonous gases (even by accident, not as part of military action), cleaning, delousing etc. etc. and lets not forget saunas. if engineers dig latrines, then NBC gives you saunas. :excl:

 

Showers! Hot comfortabe showers! I always loved it when the ABC-Abwehrtruppe was in the same training area. :)

 

And they even wash your clothes and clean all your kit! For that I take the inconvenience of having to have to wear the fetish pro-mask and rubber poncho before for a short time. freshly showered and freshly washed uniforms in the second week in the mud zone. :)

 

 

And agree on the underestimated risk of chemical industry plants that get hit in war and spill their contents. Also for civil defence when chemical accidents happen, military CRBN units can help. And get a training exercise for free.

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