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Actually Ryan, the dead guy Trump kept reporting was erroneous. It was his wife voting under his name, with the prefix 'Mrs', which Fox and the Pres seemed to miss for some strange reason....

As for courts, well Giuliani has admitted the current Kabuki theatre he is undertaking is only so it can fail, so he can get it through to the supreme court, where presumably stacked with Republicans he is expecting it to find in his favour. Which to my mind is not saying much about his faith in the Judicial process, that he is only expecting it to find in his favour in a court they previously stacked. Not that I think they will find in his favour anyway, but if its either that or spending time in a prison, I guess its a shot he has to take.

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   1 hour ago,  MiloMorai said: 

Krebs (R), a Trump appointee, fired via Twitter by Trump for saying the election the most secure ever.

"There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised," the CISA statement read. The sentence was bolded for emphasis.

 

 

This is bloody stupid to assert given we have clear examples of vote systems NOT doing the right thing. Antrim county had votes flipped due to a "glitch". That's changed ballots/votes. That's evidence. We have two more counties in Georiga that had unreported votes, Floyd and Bacon Counties. That's evidence. IS there more, that remains to be seen, but asserting that there is no crime at all, no issues, nothing happened....bald faced and stupid lie. 



 

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4 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Actually Ryan, the dead guy Trump kept reporting was erroneous. 

Stuart, you do realize there's more than just Trump's Twitter feed in this? 

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2019/12/11/detroit-dead-voters-election/4397845002/

4 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

As for courts, well Giuliani has admitted the current Kabuki theatre he is undertaking is only so it can fail, so he can get it through to the supreme court, where presumably stacked with Republicans he is expecting it to find in his favour. Which to my mind is not saying much about his faith in the Judicial process, that he is only expecting it to find in his favour in a court they previously stacked. Not that I think they will find in his favour anyway, but if its either that or spending time in a prison, I guess its a shot he has to take.

Well, then SCOTUS will kick that out too because I have a higher degree of faith in their actual jurisprudence than you do. If Giuliani, a prosecutor who's put Mob bosses in prison, is going to go to court with politically charged nothing burgers, I don't expect him to prevail. And his word should be mud after that. However I doubt that he'd do that.  Our supreme court has better sense and integrity than your court does. But then we actually base our laws on a coherent system and not some nebulous determination that can change at a whim due to 'custom'. 

Stuart, just because the DNC is willing to go on INTERNATIONAL TV and make claims of gang rape at parties 40 years ago in an open session of the US Senate doesn't mean that the GOP is going to do the same sort of thing. 

Stop projecting your labour party method of fucking everything up on the US GOP. 

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Who here has done data integrity checking, inventory and cross checking to remove duplicates, missing records, and other such refinement of data due to clear flags indicating that your data set was NOT accurate? 

If in any of that, if someone who was performing the counts seemed to be hiding their method of doing it did you trust that behavior as reasonable? 

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5 hours ago, Yama said:

The guy worked in Erie, which Biden won 68k vs 67k. In 2016, Trump won it 60k vs 58k. Obama won Erie twice by very clear margin, 76k vs 50k and 68k vs 49k.

In light of history, Biden's share hardly seems unbelievable. Erie has about 50% more registered Democrat voters than Republican voters.

Ever been to Erie? Do you know why they call the region the Rust Belt? 

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1 minute ago, rmgill said:

No, because what was alleged was that the Russians "hacked" the election. That it was done through facebook ads and not through election workers or other subjects making changes directly to the voting system or it's tally system. 

More so, the left in the US often makes allegations of "voter suppression" which is a higher bar to cross as you have to somehow substantiate that voters who didn't vote, would have if they'd not been suppressed. Making these allegations of voter suppression when the state is removing dead people from voter rolls is quite frankly the sort of thing that looks like they're trying to hide a problem or objecting to proper verification methods being implemented. 

 

Part of hacking is someone having access to them to make the changes. And There's cross checking and verification by poll workers of integral seals and such. That's part of the security procedures. What's alarming is how, with this current election, theres some indication that poll workers in some locations are partisan. That's the problem, that's the red flag. 

 


I'm sorry, you're goiung to dispute the  veracity of British commentators that I point to as being bull shit but you're going to, from afar, white knight for the views of US Service men about the president? Come on Stu, why don't you speak for the black and jewish vote too? Tell us what they're thinking as well? 

No, that was not my comment. My comment at the time was purely that its a fairly stupid idea for having an electronic system to record votes because its potentially vulnerable. And it has to be said, open to question at the final count, as we have seen. So why not go back to a piece of paper of which there is only one copy and only one vote? That was my point. I never got a good answer. Yes, it would take longer to vote. You have over two months, whats the crushing hurry as long as Democracy is done?

Yeah, well your left is often full of shit im perfectly happy to concede. OTOH, as I pointed out before, your President insisted after the last election that he was defrauded of votes and vowed to do something about it. So he got a team together who seem, if the Republican senators praising them  are any guide, done a good job and ensured a free and fair election. And because the guy in charge of them didnt agree there was fraud (and I guess he would be in a position to know), he got fired. There is a pattern there anyone with their eyes shut can follow.

Yeah, you keep bringing up the dead people. Have you a figure for that, because the sole two examples ive seen, a woman voting under husbands name as 'mrs', which she was perfectly of her right to do, and a man trying to vote as his dead mother. Both were accounted for, none of them have been acknowledged as such in the pro Trump media.

Well 2000 was partisan also. I dont remember the Republican media or the people who voted for Bush making a great deal about it then. Yes, I can see in theory it could be a potential problem, right to the point when you are even seeing Red States go blue. Old Blue states that had gone red in 2016, I could entirely see that. But that is the reverse of what is happening.

Hang on, you are relying on British commentators as being of a high standard? So why is it when Sky News, the BBC, or even my humble self see the same evidence and come to an entirely different conclusion we are not regarded with equal veracity? You dont have to agree with me, you dont even have to agree with the BBC. Sky news is right wing, it was till recently the British Arm of Fox Media, and even they are saying he lost. Heck, even Boris Johnson, the darling of Donald Trump, has accepted he lost. You pick the only people in the UK that think Donald Trump win and run with it. Its kind of missing the context I think.

Ive told you what Ive thought, I think he lost, and I think he lost conclusively. And no amount of praying, cooking of books, court cases, virgin sacrifice or sedition is going to hand it back to him. All you have to do is look at the points he is down by, the amount of votes he is down buy, and reflect what kind of conspiracy would it be that would create that kind of swing to Biden. I mean, a Kennedy, I could almost buy it. An Obama I could almost buy it. But Joe Biden? Seriously, you really think the military industrial entertainment complex would grind into gear to deliver Joe Biden up as President? If they are that efficient at rigging a vote, why wasnt Bernie Sanders or or Alexandria Ocasio Cortez the candidate?

See the problem is,  you want a deep state communist conspiracy that robs you of a victory, but have yet to explain why if the extreme left did such a thing, why they didn't go the whole hog and plant a communist in the Oval office. it makes no sense. 

Look, no offense Ryan, to you or any other true believers. You had a nasty shock, and no disrespect, but i think you are all struggling to believe it. I think you always will.

Im always used to my party losing, I dont need conspiracy by a right wing deep state to explain it, sheer incompetence will do that. :D 

 

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Once sufficient states add the popular vote clause to the composition of their electoral delegates, its sheer number of votes will make California decisive, and looks like some people is doing the utmost to secure those votes.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/pair-charged-with-voter-fraud-allegedly-submitted-thousands-of-fraudulent-applications-on-behalf-of-homeless-people/2464168/

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12 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Stuart, you do realize there's more than just Trump's Twitter feed in this? 

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2019/12/11/detroit-dead-voters-election/4397845002/

Well, then SCOTUS will kick that out too because I have a higher degree of faith in their actual jurisprudence than you do. If Giuliani, a prosecutor who's put Mob bosses in prison, is going to go to court with politically charged nothing burgers, I don't expect him to prevail. And his word should be mud after that. However I doubt that he'd do that.  Our supreme court has better sense and integrity than your court does. But then we actually base our laws on a coherent system and not some nebulous determination that can change at a whim due to 'custom'. 

Stuart, just because the DNC is willing to go on INTERNATIONAL TV and make claims of gang rape at parties 40 years ago in an open session of the US Senate doesn't mean that the GOP is going to do the same sort of thing. 

Stop projecting your labour party method of fucking everything up on the US GOP. 

Yeah, right at the top,

The lawsuit, however, does not claim that someone living ever actually tried to vote as a deceased voter in Detroit.  Nor does it allege that any voter fraud has actually occurred in Detroit, a majority-black Democratic stronghold that played pivotal roles in the last two elections, one way or another, and is expected to do so again in 2020.

I dont need to point out the problem here im sure.

Ive said before Giuliani is not the man who stood on the rubble of the world trade center who led America for a couple of days. That man I deeply respect. The current one seems a pale shadow of his former self.

Lets see, if the GOP are not stunningly like Labour in 2019, why didnt they win the election? Why have they not achieved any of the foreign policy goals they set themselves? Why is the wall unbuilt, the infrastructure unrenewed, America not in work? Why does America have the highest level of covid cases in the world, nearing quarter of a million deaths now. If that's not fucking up, then what in the name of all thats holy is it?

No, its not all their fault. I think their main fault was hitching their wagon to the wrong horse, and still they wont pull that drawpin out as he bolts for the cliff.

 

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10 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Who here has done data integrity checking, inventory and cross checking to remove duplicates, missing records, and other such refinement of data due to clear flags indicating that your data set was NOT accurate? 

If in any of that, if someone who was performing the counts seemed to be hiding their method of doing it did you trust that behavior as reasonable? 

BTDT for FDA IND and clinical trials submissions. If you find what we seem to be seeing in much of the election pieces you immediately segregate the data and the burden of proof requires a positive proof that the data has maintained integrity.  Unless the fraud is fairly blatant (and it does exist) you decertify the institution that created and analyzed the data and never use them again.  It also prompts a QA review of their previous submissions to look for similar instances in previous data because you want to catch it before the agency does.

The current popular belief seems to be that there is a lot of anomalies on a small scale that have been caught and they all seem to be shifting votes from Trump to Biden.  Is that accurate?  I've been googling for instances where an error is discovered and shifts votes to Biden without luck.  Is there anything out there that documents instances of the latter?

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1 minute ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

No, that was not my comment. My comment at the time was purely that its a fairly stupid idea for having an electronic system to record votes because its potentially vulnerable. And it has to be said, open to question at the final count, as we have seen. So why not go back to a piece of paper of which there is only one copy and only one vote? That was my point. I never got a good answer. Yes, it would take longer to vote. You have over two months, whats the crushing hurry as long as Democracy is done?

In theory there's ways of cross checking, verifying and validating the data from start to finish. Same way we send electronic financial data over wires and have verification and expectations that when you deduct £300 from your checqueing account that you actually have £300 removed and the recipient get's £300. Not that they get £305 magically due to someone diddling the system. 

But, if you have parties that are willing and able to diddle the system and there's no real incentive to hold them accountable by sending them to federal prison. Frankly at this point, I'd like to see folks in the financial industry be pulled into audit this shit. Someone from outside who's got experience in numerical data being fucked with by 'interested' parties. 
 

1 minute ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Yeah, well your left is often full of shit im perfectly happy to concede. OTOH, as I pointed out before, your President insisted after the last election that he was defrauded of votes and vowed to do something about it.

So he got a team together who seem, if the Republican senators praising them  are any guide, done a good job and ensured a free and fair election. And because the guy in charge of them didnt agree there was fraud (and I guess he would be in a position to know), he got fired. There is a pattern there anyone with their eyes shut can follow.

Have you not twigged to the fact that Trump is, if not as much opposed by the DNC, also opposed by interested parties who are the entrenched politicians in the GOP? He's an outsider. A complete outsider. All of the things that people complain about are what make him ideal for disrupting the current system of corruption and influence peddling. 

1 minute ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Yeah, you keep bringing up the dead people. Have you a figure for that, because the sole two examples ive seen, a woman voting under husbands name as 'mrs', which she was perfectly of her right to do, and a man trying to vote as his dead mother. Both were accounted for, none of them have been acknowledged as such in the pro Trump media.

If someone is required to purge voting rolls of dead people but has to be taken to court to be forced to do that thing, and then they do it. But then time passes and they're not doing it again, do you think there's some number of dead people who are on the voting rolls? 

Because Detroit was sued into doing so and complied just this summer. Do you think anyone has died since this past summer? If the folks responsible for checking don't, how do you know that there are what amounts to risky voter registrations on the books since their last clear check? 

The correct rebuttal would be, Heres the last time we cross checked dead against the voter rolls, please let us know if you have found any others. 

But it's not that, instead it's partisan CLAIMS OF DEAD PEOPLE BEING REGISTERED ARE FALSE!

When we're audited for SOX compliance quarterly you know what I do? I have the data for non badged staff who have gained access to our technical space containing SOX covered electronic media ready for them to look at. I don't have to have them demand it because I'm forthright and above board. I'm also not hiding it from them and then making up a fresh copy that they then get to look at after 5 requests to do so and after it's escalated to the CFO and LEgal department that I provide the clearly needed documentation. 

1 minute ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

 

Hang on, you are relying on British commentators as being of a high standard?

Are they as good as you and your high standards? 

1 minute ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

 

See the problem is,  you want a deep state communist conspiracy that robs you of a victory, but have yet to explain why if the extreme left did such a thing, why they didn't go the whole hog and plant a communist in the Oval office. it makes no sense. 

The left is not the extreme left any more, not when they have out and out socialists in the party who are on magazine covers with the Speaker of the House. See also the Squad. The DNC is taking it on the chin in purple districts because of this. They're going to keep doubling down.

As to why? He's Literally Hitler in their eyes. You've made those arguments yourself to a degree. Why would they not cheat to get rid of Literally Hitler? 
 

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11 minutes ago, nitflegal said:

BTDT for FDA IND and clinical trials submissions. If you find what we seem to be seeing in much of the election pieces you immediately segregate the data and the burden of proof requires a positive proof that the data has maintained integrity.  Unless the fraud is fairly blatant (and it does exist) you decertify the institution that created and analyzed the data and never use them again.  It also prompts a QA review of their previous submissions to look for similar instances in previous data because you want to catch it before the agency does.

The current popular belief seems to be that there is a lot of anomalies on a small scale that have been caught and they all seem to be shifting votes from Trump to Biden.  Is that accurate?  I've been googling for instances where an error is discovered and shifts votes to Biden without luck.  Is there anything out there that documents instances of the latter?

Several small instances, but not that much yet. We'll see what the Trump Admin presents in court. But what's curious is that it all seems to be in Biden's favor. When all the mistakes point to the interest of the Drug Trials, does that make you MORE or less suspicious of the data set? 

If there's never any solidly apparent cross checks, do you feel that the data is good? 

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16 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

 

I dont need to point out the problem here im sure.

If you have allegations of crime, but never actually investigate for the crime and don't go looking for victims, does the crime actually exist? 

 

16 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

 

Lets see, if the GOP are not stunningly like Labour in 2019, why didnt they win the election?

 

Did you miss how the DNC lost house seats and lost legislatures, governors and other positions across the country? This winning the white house but not winning anything else is a gross anomaly. 

 

16 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Why have they not achieved any of the foreign policy goals they set themselves?

 

What? 

16 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Why is the wall unbuilt, the infrastructure unrenewed, America not in work? Why does America have the highest level of covid cases in the world, nearing quarter of a million deaths now. If that's not fucking up, then what in the name of all thats holy is it?

 

Wall is being built. It's not like they can snap their fingers and make it appear. Look around it's getting built. You can see article detailing sections. 

Infrastructure is constantly being renewed. Where do you know anything about infrastructure in the US? 
Oh, I see, you're looking at the DNC talking points, as usual. 

Whenever the DNC is running they go on and on about infrastructure not being renewed. And then when you go and look at DNC cities they're sucking hind teat for fixing their local infrastructure. Or they're spending Billions on a project that goes no-where for 20 years.

We have this belt line project to put light rail and trails in where active track existed 25 years ago. 

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It supposed to look like this:
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It looks like this:
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Notice anything missing? Track? For the light rail? It's taken them 20 years to put a paved walkway in where track was and they have not put the track in where track existed for like 100 years. It's already graded and ballasted. It was rated for US heavy freight and passenger traffic. It was derelict for 2 decades.

Here's the light rail map...The bit they've built, in the past 20 years is the solid black bit. That's it. and it essentially goes no where (The King Center district along Edgewood). Locals rarely need from Edgewood to the area near the hotel district downtown. There are more bums and homeless riding it that passengers using it to go some place. Even the local liberal tilted media notes this. 
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This is ALL city of Atlanta work with graft and delays as always. For 20 years. We built the Alaska Highway in less than 8 months. 

The only time the DNC cares about infrastructure is when it's seen as a way to BEAT the GOP for what they failed to do and then every other time is about how they can use the public tax rolls to shift money to their political allies. 

 

16 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

No, its not all their fault. I think their main fault was hitching their wagon to the wrong horse, and still they wont pull that drawpin out as he bolts for the cliff.

Which cliff is that? A Kamala Harris as President? What was that about Commies in the oval office? 

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33 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

 

Why does America have the highest level of covid cases in the world, nearing quarter of a million deaths now

Because we're a commerce hub for the world and not some backwater place like New Zealand? 

Why does London have a higher rate of COVID than say, oh....South Uist in the Outer Hebrides? 

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8 minutes ago, rmgill said:

If you have allegations of crime, but never actually investigate for the crime and don't go looking for victims, does the crime actually exist? 

Do you mean like Rotherham, Ryan?

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Can't be. 'Nothing happened there. And if you did assert something happened there you were a eveil mean racist person. But if you deny rape exists you're an evil mean person too. But not if it's rape by people of color because that doesn't happen.'



In other news, Wayne County was in a deadlock. 2 GOP 2 DNC election officials refusing to certify the vote tally. The live stream of the meeting stops. Then, when it starts, there's a unanimous agreement. 

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10219615514033546&set=a.1756537348363

No doubt that threats and naming them out didn't affect their vote. 


https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/17/gop-board-of-canvassers-members-in-wayne-county-mi-cave-after-first-refusing-to-certify-2020-election-results/

More so, in Detroit in August, "recorded ballot counts in 72% of Detroit's absentee voting precincts didn't match the number of ballots cast..." But why would that be an issue? 
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/08/20/benson-asked-investigate-detroit-perfect-storm-voting-problems/5616629002/

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Longer bit here with this Stabler dude. In August they certified with less than 50% of the ballots being recount-able now it's over 72% so it's improved. But certify anyhow. 

https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8uxH4nS/part-of-the-zoom-call-showing-th/c/?fbclid=IwAR3qUO6q2RL68T9cKDku22YHLeZDDh3CPDSpDt9xLB4PCc3qgqxSkCtJbr0

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Ok, so advance voting should be considered subject to the same integrity assessment as polling day voting, although there is a potential time related exposure risk to its manipulation.

It's also the traditional approach to ensuring that people who cannot attend on polling day can still exercise their right to vote. Why then is a mail-in option offered? Is it as simple as accommodation for people who can't be bothered to go on any day in advance? I have an opinion about that.

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3 minutes ago, DB said:

Why then is a mail-in option offered? Is it as simple as accommodation for people who can't be bothered to go on any day in advance? I have an opinion about that.

Have a look at this. They are shameless:

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The bill would require states to offer early voting. They also would have to allow Election Day and online voter registration, diluting the accuracy of voting rolls. H.R. 1 would make states register voters automatically from government databases, including federal welfare recipients. Colleges and universities were designated as voter-registration hubs, and 16-year-olds would be registered to vote two years in advance. The bill would require “no fault” absentee ballots, allowing anyone to vote by mail, for any reason. It envisioned prepaid postage for federal absentee ballots. It would cripple most state voter-ID laws. It left in place the “ballot harvesting” rules that let paid activists canvass neighborhoods to hoover up absentee votes.

 

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1 hour ago, rmgill said:

Longer bit here with this Stabler dude. In August they certified with less than 50% of the ballots being recount-able now it's over 72% so it's improved. But certify anyhow. 

https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8uxH4nS/part-of-the-zoom-call-showing-th/c/?fbclid=IwAR3qUO6q2RL68T9cKDku22YHLeZDDh3CPDSpDt9xLB4PCc3qgqxSkCtJbr0

This one, too. Note that twatter has not deigned to put any warning notice in his account.

https://twitter.com/AbrahamAiyash

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But Trump lost.

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‘Experts’ Listed 27 House Races As Toss-Ups. Republicans Won All 27

Ahead of the 2020 election, Cook listed 27 races as “toss-ups,” meaning they were too close to predict one way or the other. Republicans won all 27.

That’s not a typo. Despite being assured by that conservatism was about to drown beneath an impending “blue wave,” Republicans won every single close race.

Republicans also won all 26 races deemed “leaning or likely Republican,” and even picked up 7 of the 36 seats listed as “leaning or likely Democrat.” 

Despite nearly unanimous predictions that Democrats would further cement control of the House, they now hold just a 218-204 advantage, with Republicans poised to pick up more seats, as they lead in 8 of the remaining 13 races.

 

 

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As noted earlier, calls to exclude absentee ballots will particularly affect the military vote, and you can wonder whether Trump (or Republican-run states like Georgia) didn't think of that, accepted it, or included it in their aims. Though I suspect that in the case of Georgia, it's simply all postal ballots falling under the same deadline in state law, with no special exception for military votes (which there really shouldn't be either IMO). 

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2 hours ago, rmgill said:

Several small instances, but not that much yet. We'll see what the Trump Admin presents in court. But what's curious is that it all seems to be in Biden's favor. When all the mistakes point to the interest of the Drug Trials, does that make you MORE or less suspicious of the data set? 

If there's never any solidly apparent cross checks, do you feel that the data is good? 

I remember this interviee with NEJM and an NFL doctor.  It sas about the NFL study regarding concussions.  The NFL was asserting that they couldn't release the data due to player privacy concerns.  

This interview got really really tense.

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