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I'd wager though that the groups or friends you all keep probably are similar in outlook politically to you.

I'll grant you that I don't go looking for LW groups as apparently you do. The groups I belong to are, in no particular order: Warner Barracks, 3-35 AR, M1 M1A1 M1A2, two different Master Gunner groups, USAREUR vets, Desert Storm, National Armor and Cavalry Museum, American-Israeli Tankers. I don't know much about the politics of others, we don't generally discuss politics. Policies yes, but not much politics.

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The brass is afraid Trump will upset their cushy post military employment.

If you are no longer punished for doing what needs to be done, it is only a small step to actually punish failure - something they will fear, as many of them are part of the swamp.

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Good gravy Stuart!

No really. He's exceedingly well informed and connected with what's going on in the US. The BBC, Guardian and Independent make him so!!!

 

Says the man who seems to think that Sargon of Akkad is definitive on UK issues.

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I'd wager though that the groups or friends you all keep probably are similar in outlook politically to you.

I'll grant you that I don't go looking for LW groups as apparently you do.

 

Never said I did. Once again, DKTanker, try reading what's on the screen rather than seeing what you want to see. :rolleyes: (Pro-tip about FB from someone who hasn't used it in ages - you can see what groups your friends are in without joining them. :P )

 

 

The groups I belong to are, in no particular order: Warner Barracks, 3-35 AR, M1 M1A1 M1A2, two different Master Gunner groups, USAREUR vets, Desert Storm, National Armor and Cavalry Museum, American-Israeli Tankers. I don't know much about the politics of others, we don't generally discuss politics. Policies yes, but not much politics.

 

So you all don't discuss politics, you don't see anything in your feed in these groups about something political, yet you're using that lack of activity to reinforce the point Ivanhoe made? Really?

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I suppose we should take a survey of the US veterans here. See how many like the status of the case in question.

 

What would the point of that be? Jeff did a good job of highlighting how the article had issues. The writer simply talked to some vets who are Left-leaning and likely upset with anything Trump does.

 

So... taking a survey of a website with a limited number of vets, the majority of whom lean Right, would be useful to draw any conclusions... how? It'd be the same type of foolishness just with conclusions supporting the opposite end of the spectrum.

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Says the man who seems to think that Sargon of Akkad is definitive on UK issues.

Definitive? No, I never thought he was definitive. But I think he's more valid for a man on the street view as he IS a man on the street (and he does perform man on the street interviews/conversations) than is some person reporting on the personal views of the US Military Establishment from some office inside the Westminster Bubble after talking with various senior left Paul types who are guarding their rice bowls.

 

If E5M had a Military Blog, or Jim Martin, or X Files or any of the other guys (hell even BillB), I'd trust their views on what was going on in their realm of military or ex military as it may be than I would ANY of my peers at work without some more clear and in depth reporting and sourcing. And they're not universally inside of the DC or New York Bubble. I can think of TWO editorial staff I knew who'd I'd trust on that regard. One was a DI in the army. The other was in the UDTs in Vietnam. Both are long gone from the company.

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So... taking a survey of a website with a limited number of vets, the majority of whom lean Right, would be useful to draw any conclusions... how? It'd be the same type of foolishness just with conclusions supporting the opposite end of the spectrum.

Do a majority lean right because that's the trend of the local group or do a majority lean right because that's a trend o the military establishment?

 

I don't know many lefty Military types personally. Of those that I do know, those are rather more open minded ones but are still not hard lefty like Paul or Paul. I know lots of non-military lefty types.

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Well, which is it young feller? Is Sargon a regular guy or someone big and special? Cause if he's big and special you can't put him down for being a nobody. And if he's a nobody, then you can't very well, complain that he doesn't know what regular people know.

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Who should we take as a gauge on what the man on the street in the UK thinks? Mr Bean? You? You don't leave your village.

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You could always ask me or DB, we do after all live here. We tend to notice things in passing, like the latest Zombie apocalype, communist coups, witchburning, that kind of thing.

 

Here is my problem. There are, in my view anyway, basically two kinds of journalist. There are the guys who try to elucidate. Whom yes, might have an opinion, but try to be broad minded and plow the middle of the road. Andrew Marr if you can find him online is a good example.

 

And then there are the broad stream of Journalists, many of whom I wouldnt classify as journalists at all, more opinionated arses. They have an opinion first, and an agenda second. Im sure your Democrat based media can be viewed that way, and yes, we do have some of the in the UK like that. Not as many as you think, but we will discuss that another time. Sometimes they do good journalism, but always, always, they have an agenda to sell you, whether its to get their favoured party in power, or just shift papers. Murdoch media are a good example of that trend.

 

Then there is a third group, whom have arose with social media. They defy easy classification, but due to the obfuscation, rabble rousing, and general insanity of their dialogue, I prefer to call them 'Bullshit artists'. The problem is, people whom love them will never be dissuaded, and love them because they speak to their inner fears or desires. Its kind of like alt porn for the politically obsessed. Very fetishy, very nasty, and very bad for you.

I dont claim to be infallible, but Ive a good nose for them, and Sargon is full of it.

 

Sargon is no authority on the UK. Id put Jonathan pie on a higher plane than that, and he is just a general piss taker.

 

Or you could try Count Binface, AKA Lord Buckethead. Since whatever choice we make is going to be an authoritarian state, may as well make it someone whom looks good on camera.

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You could always ask me or DB, we do after all live here. We tend to notice things in passing, like the latest Zombie apocalype, communist coups, witchburning, that kind of thing.

 

Yet you're always saying, "That's too far." "You don't know, you didn't hear reports of it." "You're just hidden away in the Cotswolds, that stuff doesn't happen here."

 

The difference is that Benjamin actually goes round the country having man on the street interviews. He posts these, unedited. He wanted to see what people in Gibraltar thought so he went to Gibraltar and asked around. Your most charitable thing to say was that you couldn't see engaging with him because you couldn't keep up.

 

 

 

 

I dont claim to be infallible, but Ive a good nose for them, and Sargon is full of it.

 

You've got a good nose for it? Were you showing this good nose when you repeated the slander about Sargon being ok with child molestation? I've asked on this before, you dance around the point. The articles were patently, obviously false. You swallowed that bait so deeply it was hooked on your asshole.

 

Meanwhile somehow the Westminster bubble is most authoritative. Why is that?

 

 

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So... taking a survey of a website with a limited number of vets, the majority of whom lean Right, would be useful to draw any conclusions... how? It'd be the same type of foolishness just with conclusions supporting the opposite end of the spectrum.

Do a majority lean right because that's the trend of the local group or do a majority lean right because that's a trend o the military establishment?

 

I don't know many lefty Military types personally. Of those that I do know, those are rather more open minded ones but are still not hard lefty like Paul or Paul. I know lots of non-military lefty types.

 

 

They lean Right here because that's the nature of TN. We have polling of the political affiliations/leaning of the military. The military doesn't match the population in breakdown. It's shifted Right marginally but it's certainly not a majority.

 

I knew several guys when I was in who leaned Left on the spectrum or were full-blown Ds. Look at Congress, a third of all vets are Ds and vote solidly with that party. Keep in mind there's lots of reasons folks join up to serve. Being a D or leaning Left doesn't preclude you from doing so.

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So... taking a survey of a website with a limited number of vets, the majority of whom lean Right, would be useful to draw any conclusions... how? It'd be the same type of foolishness just with conclusions supporting the opposite end of the spectrum.

Do a majority lean right because that's the trend of the local group or do a majority lean right because that's a trend o the military establishment?

 

I don't know many lefty Military types personally. Of those that I do know, those are rather more open minded ones but are still not hard lefty like Paul or Paul. I know lots of non-military lefty types.

They lean Right here because that's the nature of TN. We have polling of the political affiliations/leaning of the military. The military doesn't match the population in breakdown. It's shifted Right marginally but it's certainly not a majority.

 

I knew several guys when I was in who leaned Left on the spectrum or were full-blown Ds. Look at Congress, a third of all vets are Ds and vote solidly with that party. Keep in mind there's lots of reasons folks join up to serve. Being a D or leaning Left doesn't preclude you from doing so.

Just as a data point, most of my ex military friends are basically just kind of cynical about everything politics related. To a man/woman they think Trump is batshit though.

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Do they think that men can also get periods? Or do they shake their heads at that contention?

Do they feel the need to explain what their pronouns are when thy introduce themselves?

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So they don't align with the National DNC platform.


Trump is uncouth. Trump is off the chain. But he's not batshit crazy like the DNC has shown itself to be.

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You got anything besides shit talking from Republican fantasyland to offer?

Would you like me to post videos of the last three or four DNC debates? The LGBT one is ideal, but we can look at others. I don't need fantasy. I can just run video of the Democrats themselves.

 

 

 

 

 

LD, you should really re-iterate your pronouns so that we know you're woke enough.

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Of course they would. Its funny how no one in the GOP wanted to address any of this corruption when they had an absolute ability to do so until 2018. Now I do think the examples given for democratic corruption have truth to them, and Id be fine with investigations. But somehow Democrats only became investigation worthy once it was clear how fantastically corrupt the current president is.

 

Id like to add the a fair proportion of the GOP is peddling the idea that the Ukraine intervened in the 2016 election, not Russia. Do any of the Trump supporters want to address that debunked conspiracy theory or failing that, go on record saying they believe it is true?

Go back to this post on Ukraine since you obviously missed it.

Those articles refer to the fact that the Ukrainians tried to out Manafort for things we now know he was really doing. That has nothing to do with Trump and the GOPs assertions that Russian efforts to influence the election were in fact Ukrainians. Are you agreeing that Ukraine, NOT Russia, was the source of 2016 meddling? Because that is what Trump and his supporters are selling right now. No one is calling for an investigation into the issue you brought up; not even Trump.

 

But this is all hearsay anyway right? No one with any direct experience had anything to do with it except those half dozen people who testified publicly?

Both can be meddling at the same time, it's not a one at a time thing. I'm also sure many other nations including allies were doing so as well. Heck, Obama spent taxpayer money to directly impact the Israeli one.

The difference is Trump denies one happened an then attributes those attempts to Ukraine.

 

Again, state it for the record. Do you think that Russia has nothing to do with electoral meddling and that all of it came from Ukraine? State as a fact. Or else admit its bullshit.

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How about we do an SNL sketch where you get thrown off a cliff by some SEAL's and you can tell people on the way down its perfectly within their rights to do so?

Or perhaps indictments of Bomber Command for war crimes from strategic bombing in WWII?

I wasnt aware Churchill overturned those non existent charges?

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