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Josh Hierophant Lord

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Seems you finally understand what I am saying... We are the stage of conflict where the US, as a superpower, is deciding its actions. All seem to indicate to take Maduro out, one way or the other. They might find their Pinochet-like guy in the military.

I guess what I am saying is, I wouldn't get your hopes up. Outside of one random tweet, no one in the US is openly discussing any action whatsoever, not even another round of sanctions.

 

Seriously? Hope?

 

Man I am talking about possible war in my homeland where my family is... Yeah, I am full of hope, because that is how people act in these situations...

 

I'm sorry. For the sake of all the people there, I want something in the status quo to change. It looks like low level army units are already starting to defect here and there; I suspect this will be a flood once the country defaults and conditions continue to spiral downward. When it will end I don't know.

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I don't see it as a threat. I'm just noting the humanitarian issue that the crumbling state presents.

How convenient. Im sure you would've felt all humanitatian if Obama was threatening military action.

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Venezuela is not and never be a real threat to the US and it's allies. In fact it can barely wipe it's own ass at present. The best thing the US can do is lend support to it's neighbours and to support and propose UN sanctions against the leadership.

This is simply the wrong way to look at geopolitics, if the US only acted when the US actually threatened there would had been no Panama, no Desert Storm... The dominant power acts out of its own interest not self preservation. In that regard, why invade Mexico?

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How convenient. Im sure you would've felt all humanitatian if Obama was threatening military action.

 

You're right. I didn't get into a knockdown argument with Bojan and Max about US involvement the balkans at all did I?

 

Part of my freindship with Max was based on offline discussions on what he saw first hand in the Balkans and differences in the political forbearers of the US vs the Balkans.

 

 

 

 

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Venezuela is not and never be a real threat to the US and it's allies. In fact it can barely wipe it's own ass at present. The best thing the US can do is lend support to it's neighbours and to support and propose UN sanctions against the leadership.

This is simply the wrong way to look at geopolitics, if the US only acted when the US actually threatened there would had been no Panama, no Desert Storm... The dominant power acts out of its own interest not self preservation. In that regard, why invade Mexico?

 

Well, Didn't the Spanish ruling class of 'Mejico' allow gringos to buy land so they would form a buffer against the Commanches? If anybody gets a war lance in the gut, it's better if it's a foreigner & not a member of the ruling/landowning class, da?

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I hate to point out that every single South American state, who otherwise can agree on nothing, condemned any US use of force against Venezuela.

 

Now for historical reasons, I can hardly blame them. But also for those historical reasons, the US is going to let Vez rot. Unfortunately. But for once this has nothing to do with US mid east policy and everything to do with our policy towards central and south America going back to the Monroe Doctrine.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/world/americas/trump-venezuela-maduro-latin-america.html?_r=0

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Probably because, it would again show that the suds that they can't keep their own houses straight, still.

Paul G. Crew

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Someone, probably Miller, got to Trump and fed him a load of misinformation. There are pics of regular "nice folks" holding candles in the park Friday night including women and children. They were not protesting the removal of the Lee statue, Those were COUNTER PROTESTERS.

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But for once this has nothing to do with US mid east policy and everything to do with our policy towards central and south America going back to the Monroe Doctrine.

Monroe Doctrine - "There is only one proper way to sing Happy Birthday to the POTUS."

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But for once this has nothing to do with US mid east policy and everything to do with our policy towards central and south America going back to the Monroe Doctrine.

Monroe Doctrine - "There is only one proper way to sing Happy Birthday to the POTUS."

 

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I hate to point out that every single South American state, who otherwise can agree on nothing, condemned any US use of force against Venezuela.Now for historical reasons, I can hardly blame them. But also for those historical reasons, the US is going to let Vez rot. Unfortunately. But for once this has nothing to do with US mid east policy and everything to do with our policy towards central and south America going back to the Monroe Doctrine.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/world/americas/trump-venezuela-maduro-latin-america.html?_r=0

Every country was against Grenada and Panama..

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What a bunch of idiots. "Lets hold tiki torches and make national socialists salutes, that will make the minorities leave!"

 

White-Nationalist-Rally-Charlottesville.

 

This was deliberate. The alt-right must have known the attention and triggering this would cause, with the left going insane and the traditional right hammering because of this. Trump in this case was fucked, nothing he would say would appease the left at this point. The white nationalists got exactly what they wanted, with antifas action leaving the door open to "but they did it first," which is impressive because one the alt righters murdered a woman with a car.

 

It was a few hundred idiots in what was supposed to be a national rally, basically just a few hundred showed up but the optics of this is a gift to the media and the left. I cannot conceive of a better story for them than this, and they are bungling it. This is perfect with the narrative "all Trump supporters are White Nationalists."

 

With this and the Obamacare failure, I am only seeing the most dedicated Trumpists defending him, and it is a hard thing to do when basically everything that was being claimed about Trump was materialized in Charlottesville, even if he did not cause it, its the perfect storm. Compound this to the shitty month he is having, and the conclusion is that 2018 might see the Democrats rise like the Phoenix.

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rmgill Hierophant Lord

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I think they're going to go a bridge too far. When they get done with the confederate memorials, they'll go after the Founding fathers they don't like. They'll make people dig in even more.

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Are we but a little red book away from Mount Rushmore being destroyed? Two of the personalities owned slaves, one was a racist who used eugenics to rationalize his racism, and the fourth cynically freed slaves in states over which he had no control whatsoever while saying he would support slavery if it meant preserving the union.

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