Because Trump 2.0

[JasonJ]

 

 

It is a simple thing. You want American protection, you play ball. You want to criticise America, good luck to you. Time to be consequent in this. If you are of no use for America, you are no ally.

 

If America wants Japan as ally, know what your talking about instead of reinventing the narrative over and over.

There is no ultimate interest in any country being an ally, which includes Japan.The usefulness of the partnership needs to be constantly evaluated and ended if better for the USA. But imho Japan is a decent partner, there are worse countries who still benefit from US tax dollar and are backstabbing shitholes. Germany for example. Pull out all troops now!

Constant evaluation is a fine condition. Both sides will keep evaluating each other. Sorry if I come off with a strong rebuke. Related to the contents that my previous posts refers to, consider the following: http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41612&page=11&do=findComment&comment=1259115

Edited October 18, 2019 by JasonJ

[lastdingo]

 

Dude, Republicans tried hard to prolong a recession by refusing fiscal stimulus during the Obama years.

Democrats have not tried to create a recession.

 

Shadowstats is not a relevant source. It's crap.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shadow_Government_Statistics

 

 

I have to add that he did not in any way rebuke what I wrote.He's instead deflecting attention towards bogus stats.

Republicans were trying to prevent the demorats buying votes. That is how they get elected.

 

 

WOW. Now explain what the Republicans did running a bigger fiscal deficit when there had been high growth rates for years already, unemployment being low,, amounting to a fiscal stimulus of USD 300 billion per annum?

Do you admit that they try to buy votes with taxpayer money?

 

 

Besides, government IS SUPPOSED TO DO GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE, so government trying to fight a recession is NOT 'buying votes', it's doing its job.

A fiscal stimulus in times of low unemployment on the other hand does not deserve praise. No economics textbook in the world recommends this.

[Rick]

 

 

not one of Shapiro's points was about making the life of poor or middle class Americans better.

Economy? You mentioned it.

 

 

I will of course observe that several liberals have voiced that they WANTY a recession so that trump will be blamed. No doubt that democrats in office want the same so long as THEY can get the reigns of power to capture the Supreme Court.

 

With the sheer number of democrats making noises about socialist policies, it's no wonder that they want to control SCOTUS so they can get what they want.

 

Marxist and Socialists need not complain about this issue. Thanks.

 

rmgill, in relating to socialist "economists" Friedrich Hayek had the perfect answer "“The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."

[Stuart Galbraith]

https://www.politico.eu/article/gordon-sondland-to-break-from-trump-in-impeachment-testimony/ Gordon Sondland says Giuliani pushed Ukraine probes at Trump’s direction

Trump’s EU ambassador told House investigators he opposed the president’s request to run Ukraine policy through Rudy Giuliani.

By Kyle Cheney and Andrew Desiderio

10/17/19, 3:36 PM CET

Updated

10/18/19, 2:25 AM CET

WASHINGTON — Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, broke sharply from President Donald Trump on Thursday, telling House impeachment investigators that he opposed the president’s request to run Ukraine policy through his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani.

“We were also disappointed by the president’s direction that we involve Mr. Giuliani,” Sondland told congressional investigators, according to his opening statement, which was obtained by POLITICO.

Sondland testified that he contacted Giuliani anyway at Trump’s direction after a May 23 meeting at the White House, and that Giuliani drew a direct link between scheduling a White House visit for Ukraine’s newly elected president and demands that Ukraine prioritize investigations targeting Trump’s political rivals, including former Vice President Joe Biden.

“Mr. Giuliani emphasized that the president wanted a public statement from President [Volodymyr] Zelenskiy committing Ukraine to look into anti-corruption issues,” Sondland said.

“Mr. Giuliani specifically mentioned the 2016 election (including the DNC server) and Burisma as two anti-corruption investigatory topics of importance for the president,” he added.

Biden’s son Hunter sat on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that had faced international scrutiny, but there is no evidence that either Biden or his son acted improperly. The “server” Sondland mentioned is a reference to the debunked conspiracy theory, amplified by Trump and Giuliani, that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 election.

While Sondland was testifying behind closed doors, acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney acknowledged for the first time that Trump decided to freeze critical military aid to Ukraine unless the country investigated the “server” theory. It was a stunning public admission — one that Trump and his allies have denied for weeks, and one that Democrats have been trying to substantiate through a series of closed-door interviews.

“I think Mr Mulvaney’s acknowledgment means that things have gone from very, very bad to much, much worse,” House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said.

Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.), a member of the Intelligence and Judiciary committees, said Mulvaney “co-signed the president’s confession,” adding, “The president has pleaded guilty to the crime. It’s just a matter of, what should the sentence be.”

[Rick]

 

 

 

Nope. And if you went to some of the militaria fairs I go to Ryan, you would realise how hopelessly off base you are in what you think my country is.

And if you came to the US and spoke to and saw the US, you'd realize how off base you are with regards to Trump.

40% of Americans still revel in Trumps greatness Stuart. It is pointless to try to convince them otherwise. Trump was correct that he could murder someone and they would still vote for him.

 

 

I know Josh. But I will never understand it. Its getting to point of being bloody Orwellian.

 

Stuart, if you truly wish to understand, you must U.S. terms. Trump and his supporters = anti-liberal, or perhaps, you could say broadly conservative. The liberals -- which in the U.S. are the major media(witness the CNN debacle), academia, and hollywood. The Democratic Party is the whore to these liberal pimps. No more, no less.

[EchoFiveMike]

 

We supported the Kurds for 30 fucking years, how long are we supposed to carry them? For that matter, how long are we supposed to provide Pax Americana to the rest of you lazy, cheap fucks?

 

There's no honest point in talking any more, not like there ever really was, everyone is shamelessly lying to each other, angling to support some scheme. S/F....Ken M

 

The Kurds took 12000 casualties killing 15000 Jihadi terrorists that would otherwise have turned up on your doorstep. As previously pointed, how many casualties did the US take in the same effort? 5.

 

At which point, rather than supporting the kurds which is the current Trump narrative, THEY were the ones supporting YOU.

 

So stop pretending you were the ones doing them a favor. There are 12000 less body bags returning to the US thanks to them, and a fat lot of thanks they get for it.

 

 

 

Here is the irony. Trump says 'These allies should be doing it for themselves, without our fighting'. The kurds did as they were bid. And your President, ignoring his own doctrine, cuts the legs off them anyway.

 

The basic premise you start from is not true, we have no need to do any such thing, there's no logical progression from there.

 

The best defense of the US, from basically every awful thing since the end of the CW involves not letting foreigners into the CONUS. No Muslims in the US, none of these problems, period. End of story.

 

Start with that premise, why don't ya. S/F....Ken M

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

We supported the Kurds for 30 fucking years, how long are we supposed to carry them? For that matter, how long are we supposed to provide Pax Americana to the rest of you lazy, cheap fucks?

 

There's no honest point in talking any more, not like there ever really was, everyone is shamelessly lying to each other, angling to support some scheme. S/F....Ken M

 

The Kurds took 12000 casualties killing 15000 Jihadi terrorists that would otherwise have turned up on your doorstep. As previously pointed, how many casualties did the US take in the same effort? 5.

 

At which point, rather than supporting the kurds which is the current Trump narrative, THEY were the ones supporting YOU.

 

So stop pretending you were the ones doing them a favor. There are 12000 less body bags returning to the US thanks to them, and a fat lot of thanks they get for it.

 

 

 

Here is the irony. Trump says 'These allies should be doing it for themselves, without our fighting'. The kurds did as they were bid. And your President, ignoring his own doctrine, cuts the legs off them anyway.

 

The basic premise you start from is not true, we have no need to do any such thing, there's no logical progression from there.

 

The best defense of the US, from basically every awful thing since the end of the CW involves not letting foreigners into the CONUS. No Muslims in the US, none of these problems, period. End of story.

 

Start with that premise, why don't ya. S/F....Ken M

 

Let me guess, your favourite movie is Gangs of New York?

[Der Zeitgeist]

 

I guess pulling out has priority for Trump.

 

Fine, but why not leave it until the job is done? We just wasted 12000 Kurdish lives and 5 American lives (and one Brit, lets our gallant allies forget) for no end. What was the point? He may as well have pulled out in 2017 and saved the money.

 

That's only if you assume that actual results matter for the current US president. Remember, a problem is solved when @realdonaldtrump tweets it is, not when some pinko-RINO Generals that are totally overrated anyway say it is solved.

 

North Korean nukes are solved, ISIS is defeated. End of story.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

 

 

Nope. And if you went to some of the militaria fairs I go to Ryan, you would realise how hopelessly off base you are in what you think my country is.

And if you came to the US and spoke to and saw the US, you'd realize how off base you are with regards to Trump.

40% of Americans still revel in Trumps greatness Stuart. It is pointless to try to convince them otherwise. Trump was correct that he could murder someone and they would still vote for him.

 

 

I know Josh. But I will never understand it. Its getting to point of being bloody Orwellian.

 

Stuart, if you truly wish to understand, you must U.S. terms. Trump and his supporters = anti-liberal, or perhaps, you could say broadly conservative. The liberals -- which in the U.S. are the major media(witness the CNN debacle), academia, and hollywood. The Democratic Party is the whore to these liberal pimps. No more, no less.

 

 

Rick, ive no wish to disagree, but as Trump has basically thrown US Foreign policy from Nixon onward on the trash heap, he seems to be anti Republican far more than he is anti Democrat. This is Bill Clinton/Obama Foreign policy in action. Lets withdraw from the world stage, and hope nobody notices. In fact, it goes back further than that. You are really going back to Teddy Roosevelt times and the building of the great white fleet so the US could take its place on the world stage, to hammer it to a look that it liked.

 

I cant comment on how he handles domestic policy, and to be honest, I honestly have little interest. Im only interested in what Trump does as it affects me and the rest of the world. Thus far he has been worse than Obama, and that to my mind was setting the bar already high.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

I guess pulling out has priority for Trump.

 

Fine, but why not leave it until the job is done? We just wasted 12000 Kurdish lives and 5 American lives (and one Brit, lets our gallant allies forget) for no end. What was the point? He may as well have pulled out in 2017 and saved the money.

 

That's only if you assume that actual results matter for the current US president. Remember, a problem is solved when @realdonaldtrump tweets it is, not when some pinko-RINO Generals that are totally overrated anyway say it is solved.

 

North Korean nukes are solved, ISIS is defeated. End of story.

 

 

And I believe you are right. He is doing what he has employed, brilliantly to be honest, domestically. The reality is whatever I say it is. In an environment where the media environment is so one sided as in the US, that is a powerful sell, I can see that. Where it doesn't work is the physical reality of the rest of the world where its hard to argue with bomb or the presence of a terrorist army, and a reality created by multiple media perspectives.

 

Trump cant create his reality out here. And not surprisingly, its an environment he cant understand and shy's away from. Outside the US he can no longer be the hero at the centre of his own story.

[Rick]

 

 

 

 

 

Nope. And if you went to some of the militaria fairs I go to Ryan, you would realise how hopelessly off base you are in what you think my country is.

And if you came to the US and spoke to and saw the US, you'd realize how off base you are with regards to Trump.

40% of Americans still revel in Trumps greatness Stuart. It is pointless to try to convince them otherwise. Trump was correct that he could murder someone and they would still vote for him.

 

 

I know Josh. But I will never understand it. Its getting to point of being bloody Orwellian.

 

Stuart, if you truly wish to understand, you must U.S. terms. Trump and his supporters = anti-liberal, or perhaps, you could say broadly conservative. The liberals -- which in the U.S. are the major media(witness the CNN debacle), academia, and hollywood. The Democratic Party is the whore to these liberal pimps. No more, no less.

 

 

Rick, ive no wish to disagree, but as Trump has basically thrown US Foreign policy from Nixon onward on the trash heap, he seems to be anti Republican far more than he is anti Democrat. This is Bill Clinton/Obama Foreign policy in action. Lets withdraw from the world stage, and hope nobody notices. In fact, it goes back further than that. You are really going back to Teddy Roosevelt times and the building of the great white fleet so the US could take its place on the world stage, to hammer it to a look that it liked.

 

I cant comment on how he handles domestic policy, and to be honest, I honestly have little interest. Im only interested in what Trump does as it affects me and the rest of the world. Thus far he has been worse than Obama, and that to my mind was setting the bar already high.

 

You have explained yourself well in "...cant comment on how he handles domestic policy, and to be honest, I honestly have little interest. Im only interested in what Trump does as it affects me and the rest of the world." hence your, shall we say disagreement with Trump.

While in the U.S., Americans are, naturally, much, much more concerned with Trumps successful domestic policies and ideas. And to us Americans, domestic, almost always, trumps foreign. The exception would be war, which isn't in the cards.

[Stuart Galbraith]

As John F Kennedy said, 'Domestic policy can only defeat us. Foreign policy can kill us'. If you want an illustration that ISIS remains a threat to Americans, then you only need read this.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2331976/american-cyclists-killed-isis-tajikistan

Ill leave it there.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Videos have emerged of Kurdish children burned by what is claimed to be either Napalm or White Phosphorous.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7587357/Distressing-footage-emerges-children-chemical-burns-Syria.html

 

Reports on CNN the fighting is ongoing, despite VP Pence's claim there is a ceasefire in place.

Edited October 18, 2019 by Stuart Galbraith

[Paul G.]

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-thanks-erdogan-syria-ceasefire-turkey-says-isnt-happening-2019-10

 

Turkey disputes there is a ceasefire in place.

[Rick]

As John F Kennedy said,

 

As John F Kennedy said, 'Domestic policy can only defeat us. Foreign policy can kill us'. If you want an illustration that ISIS remains a threat to Americans, then you only need read this.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2331976/american-cyclists-killed-isis-tajikistan

Ill leave it there.

https://www.presidentprofiles.com/Kennedy-Bush/John-F-Kennedy-Foreign-affairs.html

 

 

 

. If you want an illustration that ISIS remains a threat to Americans, then you only need read this.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2331976/american-cyclists-killed-isis-tajikistan

Ill leave it there.

A honestly better Presidential quote are from two better Presidents than Kennedy.

Honestly better Presidential quotes are form two better Presidents than Kennedy.

George Washington's Farewell Address, "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world."

The inaugural pledge of Thomas Jefferson, "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none."

If one is truly possessed by U.S. foreign policy, then by all means perpetuate that which made the U.S. a great nation, ie Chistian values and the U.S. version of Conservative governmental policies.

[Stuart Galbraith]

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-thanks-erdogan-syria-ceasefire-turkey-says-isnt-happening-2019-10

 

Turkey disputes there is a ceasefire in place.

 

To be fair, that is apparently a political comment based on the Kurds are not a recognised military force by Turkey, so you cant have a ceasefire between belligerents that dont recognise each other (which is complete balls, but such is politics).

 

It seems that the ceasefire works in places, but not in others. More to the point, the whole aim of the Turks was to move the Kurds (armed or unarmed) out of the area. All the ceasefire will do, if it works, is move the Kurds out that area without any shots being fired. Which when you think about it, makes the US complicit in ethnic cleansing, which seems to be part of the Turks aim here.

[seahawk]

 

 

 

It is a simple thing. You want American protection, you play ball. You want to criticise America, good luck to you. Time to be consequent in this. If you are of no use for America, you are no ally.

If America wants Japan as ally, know what your talking about instead of reinventing the narrative over and over.

There is no ultimate interest in any country being an ally, which includes Japan.The usefulness of the partnership needs to be constantly evaluated and ended if better for the USA. But imho Japan is a decent partner, there are worse countries who still benefit from US tax dollar and are backstabbing shitholes. Germany for example. Pull out all troops now!

Constant evaluation is a fine condition. Both sides will keep evaluating each other. Sorry if I come off with a strong rebuke. Related to the contents that my previous posts refers to, consider the following: http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41612&page=11&do=findComment&comment=1259115

 

 

If they would come to the aid of the USA. Japan seems a decent and reliable partner, Europe only has few reliable countries. Poland, Hungary and the Uk once it frees itself of the EU. All others are liberal, America hating shitholes.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

As John F Kennedy said,

 

As John F Kennedy said, 'Domestic policy can only defeat us. Foreign policy can kill us'. If you want an illustration that ISIS remains a threat to Americans, then you only need read this.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2331976/american-cyclists-killed-isis-tajikistan

Ill leave it there.

https://www.presidentprofiles.com/Kennedy-Bush/John-F-Kennedy-Foreign-affairs.html

 

 

 

. If you want an illustration that ISIS remains a threat to Americans, then you only need read this.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2331976/american-cyclists-killed-isis-tajikistan

Ill leave it there.

A honestly better Presidential quote are from two better Presidents than Kennedy.

Honestly better Presidential quotes are form two better Presidents than Kennedy.

George Washington's Farewell Address, "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world."

The inaugural pledge of Thomas Jefferson, "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none."

If one is truly possessed by U.S. foreign policy, then by all means perpetuate that which made the U.S. a great nation, ie Chistian values and the U.S. version of Conservative governmental policies.

 

 

Rick, you are only able to write what you just did because Kennedy was a good president. If you have any doubt on that point, you probably need to read some of the transcripts of the Cuban Missile Crisis tapes. I reflect daily how Trump would hand a similar crisis.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/msc_cuba018.asp

 

Both those Presidents you describe lived 200 years ago, before Jet planes, diesel power ships, before telecommunications and before the US faced onto 2 Oceans. The world has completely changed. Even the US has changed. I could just as easily quote King George III, and it would have as much relevance to Britain's place in the world.

 

Seeing as you dont like Kennedy, here is a man who screwed Tojo and Hitler, and is still hated by Americans.

 

“Nothing in the world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty… I have never in my life envied a human being who led an easy life. I have envied a great many people who led difficult lives and led them well.”

― Theodore Roosevelt

 

“Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.”

― Theodore Roosevelt, Strenuous Life

 

 

“The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first and love of soft living and the get-rich-quick theory of life.”

― Theodore Roosevelt

And this one I find particularly fitting.

“We despise and abhor the bully, the brawler, the oppressor, whether in private or public life, but we despise no less the coward and the voluptuary. No man is worth calling a man who will not fight rather than submit to infamy or see those that are dear to him suffer wrong.”

― Theodore Roosevelt

[Tim Sielbeck]

Franklin screwed Tojo and Hitler, not Theodore.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Sorry, I grabbed that in a hurry and failed to see it was the OTHER Roosevelt. Well I am breaking in bifocals so please give me a break here.....

 

That said, it still fits. Teddy Roosevelt was the one that more than anyone else turned America from being a backwater into a world power. He built the navy, he gave the US the Panama canal, he gave you global reach.

 

There was one other quote I thought was quite good.

“Every reform movement has a lunatic fringe.”
― Theodore Roosevelt

[JasonJ]

double

Edited October 18, 2019 by JasonJ

[JasonJ]

 

 

 

 

It is a simple thing. You want American protection, you play ball. You want to criticise America, good luck to you. Time to be consequent in this. If you are of no use for America, you are no ally.

If America wants Japan as ally, know what your talking about instead of reinventing the narrative over and over.

There is no ultimate interest in any country being an ally, which includes Japan.The usefulness of the partnership needs to be constantly evaluated and ended if better for the USA. But imho Japan is a decent partner, there are worse countries who still benefit from US tax dollar and are backstabbing shitholes. Germany for example. Pull out all troops now!

Constant evaluation is a fine condition. Both sides will keep evaluating each other. Sorry if I come off with a strong rebuke. Related to the contents that my previous posts refers to, consider the following: http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41612&page=11&do=findComment&comment=1259115

 

 

If they would come to the aid of the USA. Japan seems a decent and reliable partner, Europe only has few reliable countries. Poland, Hungary and the Uk once it frees itself of the EU. All others are liberal, America hating shitholes.

 

 

If its in the Pacific, very high chance Japan would come to the US's aid. In 2017 when North Korea threatned Guam, Japanese defense minister said it could shoot down Guam bound BMs. Although technically speaking such missiles would be beyond the SM-3 blk1A or Bs range. Maybe SM-3 blk2A can which are just getting deployed. But the statement itself shows intention upon the recently activated defense laws at that time. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-japan-idUSKBN1AQ09F

 

If its the ME, it depends on the situation.

 

Japan doesn't hate the US: http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=39528&p=1399987

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwGaST_6Ge8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXkF6jB4DkY

 

Any more flattery and the Chicoms can build on their arguments which say "Japan is slave of Daddy USA", "Japan should kick US out", "Japan got nuked and just bow down to US", or "so and so is made in occupied-Japan",

[DKTanker]

 

We supported the Kurds for 30 fucking years, how long are we supposed to carry them? For that matter, how long are we supposed to provide Pax Americana to the rest of you lazy, cheap fucks?

 

There's no honest point in talking any more, not like there ever really was, everyone is shamelessly lying to each other, angling to support some scheme. S/F....Ken M

 

The Kurds took 12000 casualties killing 15000 Jihadi terrorists that would otherwise have turned up on your doorstep. As previously pointed, how many casualties did the US take in the same effort? 5.

 

At which point, rather than supporting the kurds which is the current Trump narrative, THEY were the ones supporting YOU.

 

So stop pretending you were the ones doing them a favor. There are 12000 less body bags returning to the US thanks to them, and a fat lot of thanks they get for it.

 

 

 

Here is the irony. Trump says 'These allies should be doing it for themselves, without our fighting'. The kurds did as they were bid. And your President, ignoring his own doctrine, cuts the legs off them anyway.

 

They weren't going to show up on our door step, the fear was they would end up on yours. Anybody and everybody that was going on about a band of Bedouins projecting their power across an ocean were fear mongering and hoping for yet more war. There never was any, none, nada, a reason for the US to become involved in a regional conflict. If you are so concerned about the goings on in Syria/Turkey, petition your own government to become more involved. The overwhelming majority of Americans are done with it. Here's a free US civics lesson for you, POTUS works for We the People, We the People do not work for POTUS.

[Stuart Galbraith]

I would argue the events of 911 show there is as much chance of middle eastern terrorism impacting on the CONUS as in Europe. There are of course other examples.

 

Timothy McVeigh. We all know what he did. Whats less well known is that in the months leading up to the attack on the Federal building, he was seen in company with some people described as middle eastern. The FBI has never identified them, or admitted there was any connection to middle eastern Terrorism. In light of what came later, and that there has been no full explanation on how he came to build such a massive bomb, it perhaps should be ruled out he had a connection to Al Qaeda.

 

World Trade Center attack 1993

 

World Trade Center attack, Pentagon attack 2001.

 

Boston Marathon bombing. Granted they were not from the middle east, but they were muslim, and influenced by the same values that made middle eastern terrorism. After all, there is ISIS in Tajikistan, not far from Chechnya, as you can see from the above link.

 

Those are the examples from your own history since the cold war. And yet, you have all mentally airbrushed them, presumably because Trump keeps repeating the same instane lie 'Middle Eastern Terrorism is someone elses problem'. No its not, not if it turns up on your own fucking doorstep and kills your own people, which its done with grim regularity before you put boots on the ground in the middle east and killed it at source. You think its a coincidence that you havent had an attack since the Boston maraton? Its not, its engagement with the problem that has done it.

 

You dont get in the middle east, the middle east comes to you. And you will doubtless completely forget this lesson until it comes screaming at you out of a clear September sky once again, and the whole grim cycle will repeat itself.

 

Here is a lesson for you. POTUS is not working for the Government, or the US people. He is in it for himself, and that he lined himself up with a nice juicy contract to host the G7 tells you the sole extent of his concerns. You dont like him, I respect that, so stop coming up with spurious reasons why he must be defended. I dont buy it, and im damn sure you dont buy it yourself either.

[seahawk]

9/11 was mainly a problem of insufficient border control and letting muslims into the USA. It never was a threat to the stability of the USA. America has enough of paying for the problems of others.