Stuart Galbraith Posted January 13 Posted January 13 14 hours ago, bfng3569 said: No one ignores the life's lost in defense of others, except for you apparently. And i think you pretty much just proved the point, Europe spends to defend Europe, the US spends to defend everyone. Oh really? So when I see so many of you lining up to sneer at the contribution of Europeans 'Because you take us for a ride', then isnt that also sneering at the many thousands of young men, and women, that lined up to fight in the war on terror? The ones that died, the ones that were wounded, the ones that came back fucked up with PTSD, all because you called a NATO article 5? NATO and Europe saw you right, and gave you everything you asked for. Now you fellas make the most elaborate 'stabbed in the back' myths to not see Europe right in return. And im not even surprised at this point. I am frankly astonished you dont see the utter contradiction between your espoused respect for those that died for you, and the utter contempt for their friends and relatives and countries. We spent billions, absolute billions to keep you dilletantes happy in Afghanistan, you decided withdraw virtually overnight, didnt even bother to ask the Europeans what they thought and you think WE are the problem? No, its your lack of strategic direction, incapabilty to find something you believe in and stick with it, thats the bloody problem. You spend for yourselves, not everyone else. The vast majority of your defence spending today isnt spent in Europe at all, but to hear you guys talk, some of you still think you have those 11 Divisions lined up waiting in Fulda gap.
seahawk Posted January 13 Posted January 13 4 hours ago, JWB said: NATO protects the USA from European misbehavior. Who cares about European misbehaviour? They are weak and can not challenge the US, even less a US that has been turned into the greatest nation on earth again by MAGA.
rmgill Posted January 13 Posted January 13 5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: You spend for yourselves, not everyone else. The vast majority of your defence spending today isnt spent in Europe at all, but to hear you guys talk, some of you still think you have those 11 Divisions lined up waiting in Fulda gap. All this again? Well, if we just spend for ourselves, it should be no issue for you if we leave then eh?
Ivanhoe Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Chris Rufo interviews Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent re fraud; TL;DR is that Bessent claims that up to 10% of the federal budget is spent on fraud. Amusingly, there is a purulent twat on this board who maintains that Republicans hate gays, yet there seems to be no outcry against Bessent from the American right.
NickM Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, seahawk said: Who cares about European misbehaviour? They are weak and can not challenge the US, even less a US that has been turned into the greatest nation on earth again by MAGA. THE EMPEROR PROTECTS
Murph Posted January 13 Posted January 13 8 hours ago, JWB said: NATO protects the USA from European misbehavior. I cannot believe that, just look at Trump saying we need Greenland, and suddenly the Mighty Euro Military is all in on attacking the US. Nato has served its purpose and now is just a leech. Heck the Uk wants to give China the base on Diego Garcia, rather than keep a very reliable ally who has defended them since 1917.
Murph Posted January 13 Posted January 13 8 hours ago, JWB said: U.S. District Judge Amit P. Mehta issued a 17-page opinion finding the Department of Energy’s (DOE) grant terminations unlawful under the Fifth Amendment’s equal protection guarantee. The ruling orders the department to restore seven specific grants worth $27.6 million that were part of a broader cancellation affecting more than 200 projects announced by Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Director Russ Vought on October 1, 2025, the first day of the government shutdown. Donald Trump violated the Constitution, federal judge rules And he needs to be denaturalized, and sent back home to his country. All these rogue judges need to be impeached and removed, but the Rs in the Senate are cowards, and the Democrats just evil.
bfng3569 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 8 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Oh really? So when I see so many of you lining up to sneer at the contribution of Europeans 'Because you take us for a ride', then isnt that also sneering at the many thousands of young men, and women, that lined up to fight in the war on terror? The ones that died, the ones that were wounded, the ones that came back fucked up with PTSD, all because you called a NATO article 5? NATO and Europe saw you right, and gave you everything you asked for. Now you fellas make the most elaborate 'stabbed in the back' myths to not see Europe right in return. And im not even surprised at this point. I am frankly astonished you dont see the utter contradiction between your espoused respect for those that died for you, and the utter contempt for their friends and relatives and countries. We spent billions, absolute billions to keep you dilletantes happy in Afghanistan, you decided withdraw virtually overnight, didnt even bother to ask the Europeans what they thought and you think WE are the problem? No, its your lack of strategic direction, incapabilty to find something you believe in and stick with it, thats the bloody problem. You spend for yourselves, not everyone else. The vast majority of your defence spending today isnt spent in Europe at all, but to hear you guys talk, some of you still think you have those 11 Divisions lined up waiting in Fulda gap. The next time the US goes to war in Europe, it will be to liberate you all from the Muslin Horde and speech gestapo... Edited January 13 by bfng3569
bojan Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, bfng3569 said: ...The next time the US goes to war in Europe, it will be to liberate you all from the Muslin Horde and speech gestapo... Last two wars in Europe involving Muslims, US was on the Muslim side, together with Iran (and most of Europe).
nitflegal Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) On 1/12/2026 at 3:32 AM, Stuart Galbraith said: And completely ignoring those that became KIA and WIA so Americans wouldnt have to. Sometimes you spend more than just dollars, a fact that few on this site have ever seemed to acknowledge, let alone appreciate.To hear your President talk, Afghanistan and Iraq never even happened, let alone America called for NATO support. I havent seen such extensive airbrushing of reality since watching 'Objective Burma.' As for those dollars, you are perfectly aware you spend them globally. Europe spends them primarily to defend Europe. So to cover your bets you removed forces from Europe (because Russia was no longer a threat apparently) so the running down of your forces was less evident. But it was still run down. 25 years ago you have a 2 and a half war plan. Now you would struggle to win one on your own. The USN was deeply enthusiastic about the RN getting two carriers, because they had run down below what they could comfortably do globally. That should make you all think, that your own navy was welcoming European carriers because it finally discovered limits to what it can do because its been under resourced. Personally, right now im utterly indifferent to what America wants to do after Trump. You have turned into a cat with a laser pointer, flashing and dashing this way and that, but with utter strategic incoherence, and have largely been that way since the cold war ended. You dont know what you want to be, you dont know what you want, and not surprisingly, you dont know how to get there. You wont have to spend political capital to get back to Europe. You will already have lost it, along with markets for your goods (for two sides can employ tarriffs) not to mention that for your military equipment. The smiles and cooperation you interpet Trump has gained are just temporarily gritted teeth as the EU is getting its ducks in a row. You can see that in the swiftly declining sales of military equipment to Europe. You are not bullying Europe into spending more. It was starting to do so anyway. You are not even being assertive on trade, because trade was already liberalizing. All you are doing is just generating another global power block that will work closer together and eventually ignore you, now that they realise you are no longer to be relied upon. If there is indeed a multi polar world, it is purely of America's doing through your indfference and strategic incoherence. And If you dont grasp why this is a very bad thing for you, for everyone, I guess many of you havent read up on what happened in 1914, or if you have, havent quite grasped what it means to have contending powerblocks fighting over the same dirtpile. That Russia welcomes it should be a warning. But not a bit of it. Your MAGA types drink the koolaid anyway. A couple of things. First, I'm in agreement that this will likely turn out badly for the USA because with our political process we have the ability to focus of an ADHD squirrel. We don't have the discipline to run an empire so I am fairly confident we will f**k it up after destroying an alliance that has been a good deal overall. That stated, I'd like to focus on this; " you are perfectly aware you spend them globally. Europe spends them primarily to defend Europe". As allies, the European economy and political sphere has benefitted just as much as the US has by this world wide stability, so the implication that many European pundits and politicians have made that this is irrelevant is disingenuous. If as allies the US is expected to fund over half of the spending on European security while handling the vast majority of defense duties around the rest of the world why is accepted that the US should just cheerfully shoulder the burden? Especially since for years the European nations didn't even cover the minimum obligation to defense? I'd note we weren't asking you all to take a bigger lift of international stability, just cover what you all promised for Europe. We got laughed at for years, told to not be silly, told that the Russian aggressive nature was overblown, and f**k you guys we're not spending our money because we are past that. Trump was mocked by EU politicians for saying Russia was a threat and should better fund their defense AFTER Russia f'ing invaded Crimea. Then when an emboldened Russia invaded Ukraine we were told we had to fix it and not until we didn't cover the check did the EU start to increase their defense spending. Forgive me for not being impressed that the Europeans are spending money on defense when Russia is literally at war close to their borders. I think I have a track record of being pretty appreciative of the European soldiers who joined us in our asinine war on terror. But I'm also going to argue that the UK stepped up and did the lion's share of the fighting and the dying and the soldiers coming home crippled. Which may be why our nation has at least attempted to stay allies with the UK, although the UK governments trying to latch onto the EU has strained that pretty badly from our perspective. Here's the thing though, why did the American public turn against Europe? There are plenty of people on this forum who spent a big chunk of their lives over there to protect your continent. Why are they so frequently on board with what Trump is doing? Trump isn't driving these feelings in the public, he's running with them. What I rarely hear from the European press is what role did they play in so damaging our relationship? I can't speak for anyone else but for me it is supremely irritating when we hear over and over what a giant bag of d**ks we are but rarely any introspection as to why there is such fertile ground over here for these changes. At a minimum, your politicians stupidly attacked Trump in the ego and, through him, us. How unbelievably stupid does a politician have to be to publicly and frequently mock an obvious egoist for four years, then not only mock him but openly work for his opponent to be elected in 2024, and then be surprised when the guy with a lifelong track record of retaliating against slights retaliates? All you all had to do was increase your defense spending and say nice things to Trump. That's pretty much it. I suspect the deterioration in relations will cost everyone, but certainly Europe, a hell of a lot in the end. I hope the headlines were worth it for all of us. It doesn't matter now, you all can't trust us to come back because we're not capable of rebuilding something long term, sheer inertia kept the alliance going for the last decade or two. We're tired of spending money that we don't have elsewhere so the alliance is over. Just agonal gasps from the corpse right now. Edited January 13 by nitflegal entered too quickly. . .
NickM Posted January 14 Posted January 14 3 hours ago, bojan said: Last two wars in Europe involving Muslims, US was on the Muslim side, together with Iran (and most of Europe). Thems 3 hours ago, bojan said: Last two wars in Europe involving Muslims, US was on the Muslim side, together with Iran (and most of Europe). Them wogs wuz small potatoes
seahawk Posted January 14 Posted January 14 13 hours ago, bfng3569 said: The next time the US goes to war in Europe, it will be to liberate you all from the Muslin Horde and speech gestapo... Why should the US do that? Close the borders and enjoy the death of an economic competitor. The few Europeans that are not communists, but hard working and intelligent will ask to migrate to the US any way.
Rick Posted January 14 Posted January 14 10 hours ago, nitflegal said: A couple of things. First, I'm in agreement that this will likely turn out badly for the USA because with our political process we have the ability to focus of an ADHD squirrel. We don't have the discipline to run an empire so I am fairly confident we will f**k it up after destroying an alliance that has been a good deal overall. That stated, I'd like to focus on this; " you are perfectly aware you spend them globally. Europe spends them primarily to defend Europe". As allies, the European economy and political sphere has benefitted just as much as the US has by this world wide stability, so the implication that many European pundits and politicians have made that this is irrelevant is disingenuous. If as allies the US is expected to fund over half of the spending on European security while handling the vast majority of defense duties around the rest of the world why is accepted that the US should just cheerfully shoulder the burden? Especially since for years the European nations didn't even cover the minimum obligation to defense? I'd note we weren't asking you all to take a bigger lift of international stability, just cover what you all promised for Europe. We got laughed at for years, told to not be silly, told that the Russian aggressive nature was overblown, and f**k you guys we're not spending our money because we are past that. Trump was mocked by EU politicians for saying Russia was a threat and should better fund their defense AFTER Russia f'ing invaded Crimea. Then when an emboldened Russia invaded Ukraine we were told we had to fix it and not until we didn't cover the check did the EU start to increase their defense spending. Forgive me for not being impressed that the Europeans are spending money on defense when Russia is literally at war close to their borders. I think I have a track record of being pretty appreciative of the European soldiers who joined us in our asinine war on terror. But I'm also going to argue that the UK stepped up and did the lion's share of the fighting and the dying and the soldiers coming home crippled. Which may be why our nation has at least attempted to stay allies with the UK, although the UK governments trying to latch onto the EU has strained that pretty badly from our perspective. Here's the thing though, why did the American public turn against Europe? There are plenty of people on this forum who spent a big chunk of their lives over there to protect your continent. Why are they so frequently on board with what Trump is doing? Trump isn't driving these feelings in the public, he's running with them. What I rarely hear from the European press is what role did they play in so damaging our relationship? I can't speak for anyone else but for me it is supremely irritating when we hear over and over what a giant bag of d**ks we are but rarely any introspection as to why there is such fertile ground over here for these changes. At a minimum, your politicians stupidly attacked Trump in the ego and, through him, us. How unbelievably stupid does a politician have to be to publicly and frequently mock an obvious egoist for four years, then not only mock him but openly work for his opponent to be elected in 2024, and then be surprised when the guy with a lifelong track record of retaliating against slights retaliates? All you all had to do was increase your defense spending and say nice things to Trump. That's pretty much it. I suspect the deterioration in relations will cost everyone, but certainly Europe, a hell of a lot in the end. I hope the headlines were worth it for all of us. It doesn't matter now, you all can't trust us to come back because we're not capable of rebuilding something long term, sheer inertia kept the alliance going for the last decade or two. We're tired of spending money that we don't have elsewhere so the alliance is over. Just agonal gasps from the corpse right now. Truth.
urbanoid Posted January 14 Posted January 14 New gig for Marco: leader of the Kuomintang https://x.com/DrewPavlou/status/2011330215814053968
Skywalkre Posted January 14 Posted January 14 19 hours ago, nitflegal said: Here's the thing though, why did the American public turn against Europe? They haven't. The US public has generally supported Ukraine (and aid for it) in the current war. They definitely support NATO and they absolutely do not support efforts to take over Greenland (even many Rs per this poll highlighted by Fox News).
glenn239 Posted January 14 Posted January 14 On 1/13/2026 at 3:34 AM, Stuart Galbraith said: Oh really? So when I see so many of you lining up to sneer at the contribution of Europeans 'Because you take us for a ride', then isnt that also sneering at the many thousands of young men, and women, that lined up to fight in the war on terror? The ones that died, the ones that were wounded, the ones that came back fucked up with PTSD, all because you called a NATO article 5? NATO and Europe saw you right, and gave you everything you asked for. Now you fellas make the most elaborate 'stabbed in the back' myths to not see Europe right in return. And im not even surprised at this point. I am frankly astonished you dont see the utter contradiction between your espoused respect for those that died for you, and the utter contempt for their friends and relatives and countries. We spent billions, absolute billions to keep you dilletantes happy in Afghanistan, you decided withdraw virtually overnight, didnt even bother to ask the Europeans what they thought and you think WE are the problem? No, its your lack of strategic direction, incapabilty to find something you believe in and stick with it, thats the bloody problem. You spend for yourselves, not everyone else. The vast majority of your defence spending today isnt spent in Europe at all, but to hear you guys talk, some of you still think you have those 11 Divisions lined up waiting in Fulda gap. Seems like a lot of very long wordy posts trying to convince America to be reasonable. And yet, no clear statements on where you actually stand if the threat manifests itself. If the US were to invade Greenland the EU either appeases Trump or fights. Which do you personally prefer Europe does if Trump sends in troops?
Ivanhoe Posted January 14 Posted January 14 I will reiterate my position that Bongino should have been put in as director of the USSS, with a POTUS directive to roll at least one head per week. . The current leadership and the whole talent management of the Secret Service continues to be a clown show.
Rick Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Scroll down to future inflation post. https://www.mrlandlord.com/landlordforum
Ivanhoe Posted January 15 Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Rick said: Scroll down to future inflation post. https://www.mrlandlord.com/landlordforum The left-wingers having menstrual cramps over "Fed independence" are tards. The Federal Reserve has never been independent; https://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/fed-a-creature-of-congress/ https://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/history_article.html Quote The Federal Reserve Act presented by Congressman Carter Glass and Senator Robert L. Owen incorporated modifications by Woodrow Wilson and allowed for a regional Federal Reserve System, operating under a supervisory board in Washington, D.C. Congress approved the Act, and President Wilson signed it into law on December 23, 1913. The Act, "Provided for the establishment of Federal Reserve Banks, to furnish an elastic currency, to afford means of rediscounting commercial paper, to establish a more effective supervision of banking in the United States, and for other purposes. https://millercenter.org/president/wilson/domestic-affairs Quote In response to the demand for reform, Wilson pushed for the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, which established twelve regional reserve banks controlled by the Federal Reserve Board, a new federal agency whose members were appointed by the president. This new federal system could adjust interest rates and the nation's money supply. Because it was authorized to issue currency based on government securities and “commercial paper” (the loans made to businesses by banks), the amount of money in circulation would expand or contract with the business cycle. TL;DR, the Federal Reserve was founded by a partisan racist. https://mises.org/misesian/myth-fed-independence Quote One of the central myths of the modern Federal Reserve is that it is “independent.” The idea is that the Fed is squarely focused on its dual mandate from Congress and is not influenced by politics, presidents, or pressure from the Treasury to keep the government’s borrowing costs low. In a Q&A after his recent speech, Fed Chair Jerome Powell said: “Generally speaking, Fed independence is very widely understood and supported in Washington, in Congress, where it really matters. The point is we can make our decisions and we will only make our decisions based on our best thinking, based on our best analysis of the data about what is the way to achieve our dual mandate goals, as best as we can to serve the American people. That’s the only thing we’re ever going to do. We’re never going to be influenced by any political pressure.” This, of course, is plainly false. The Fed interprets the “price stability” part of its dual mandate to mean that it should target 2 percent annual price inflation as measured by various official statistics. Thus, the Fed by design feeds the political machine in DC by concealing the costs of government spending. The Fed serves the government, not the American people.
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