Because Trump 2.0

[Stuart Galbraith]

3 hours ago, DKTanker said:

So when will EUROPEAN nations start sending forces to Ukraine to expel the Russians?  Russia will be coming after the rest of Europe, not North America.

Uses WW2 as an example of a justifiable war with America doing the right thing for weaker nations. Check.

Reverts to 'Well why dont you Europeans do something?' from Trumps book of pithy quotes for Maga's to justify America not doing the right thing for weaker nations. Check.

Unable to reconcile two utterly different beliefs. Check, Check, Check.

Oh, I think when the missiles launch, they will be coming for you as well. That the Russians will be unable to recognise the difference between British Trident D5's and yours, make this an absolute certainty.

 

[Murph]

Once more Europe is screaming that it is "THE AMERICANS RESPONSIBILITY TO DEFEND US!" by sending troops to Ukraine.  No, Nope, Not happening.  Europe needs to be responsible for their own security.  Great now the Invincible British Nuclear force is going to Nuke Russia?  Leave us out.  Nuke yourselves.  

Not one more penny for the Kleptocrats, nor for the drones of Brussels.  

[Murph]

2 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

This is what I voted for;

 

As did I.  She needs to shut up and accept she was the one who was wrong.  US OUT OF THE UN NOW!  No more UN on the US soil, kick them to the curb.  

[Murph]

Supreme Court stops rogue DEI judges, and when you have the dumbest more DEI just on the court overturn you, you just have to understand how bad it is!  The DEI Supreme Court judge issued the order!  That says so very much, that even SHE is not as stupid as the lower court judges.  And she is no rocket scientist.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 hour ago, Murph said:

Once more Europe is screaming that it is "THE AMERICANS RESPONSIBILITY TO DEFEND US!" by sending troops to Ukraine.  No, Nope, Not happening.  Europe needs to be responsible for their own security.  Great now the Invincible British Nuclear force is going to Nuke Russia?  Leave us out.  Nuke yourselves.  

Not one more penny for the Kleptocrats, nor for the drones of Brussels.  

 

In fact if you knew anything about the subject at all, our Tridents will fly, however you feel about it. Your security is coupled to Europe, even as you deny it. That's precisely why we bought Trident. The Russians won't be inclined to tell the difference.

No, not asking for American troops to go to Ukraine, but again, its the parallel worlds so many of you now inhabit where you can boast about the America of Ww2, carry any burden, arsenal of democracy, and are terrified of being anything like the country you fondly boast of. The America of WW2 is indeed worthy of respect. The one that quivers and whines about others responsibility whilst civilians are being murdered isn't.

You can either be the America that saved the world and had a big pair of jangly balls,  or the whiny Trump Temu version. 

[seahawk]

So the Tridents need to come home... And cooperation with a rogue nation like the UK must be ended. 

[Murph]

No, Stuart, you are asking for the US to shoulder the burden AGAIN, just like you and the rest of the NATO members have done for the last 70+ years.  And we are tired of doing so.  Defend yourselves.  

[DougK]

53 minutes ago, Murph said:

No, Stuart, you are asking for the US to shoulder the burden AGAIN, just like you and the rest of the NATO members have done for the last 70+ years.  And we are tired of doing so.  Defend yourselves.  

The Balkans in the '90's leaps to mind.

[Murph]

1 hour ago, DougK said:

The Balkans in the '90's leaps to mind.

Yes, you are right.

[seahawk]

You mean every conflict in Europe since WW1. 

[rmgill]

On 1/24/2025 at 2:22 PM, Skywalkre said:

You'd actually have to read my posts to know one way or the other, and it's been shown before how you struggle at that.  Hell, how well were you reading these EOs?  I remember when you listed a bunch of Biden's EOs on the border thinking they were proof of him just opening it up... when in reality a few actually restricted access, most were benign/ceremonial, and only a small number made things easier for certain groups.

So. How has this post aged? 

What was the difference between Trump Border enforcement and Biden Border enforcement? 

 

[Murph]

10 hours ago, seahawk said:

You mean every conflict in Europe since WW1. 

That is because Europe needs the US, and in WWI, a Democrat, like the Democrat in WWII, and Vietnam got us into a war we had no reason being in.  In both wars Winston Churchill had a guiding hand, so we could save the British Empire.

[Ivanhoe]

1 hour ago, Murph said:

That is because Europe needs the US, ...

 

Western Europe has never needed the US militarily, but they found it convenient to outsource rather than change their ways. 

 

[Josh]

32 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said:

 

Western Europe has never needed the US militarily, but they found it convenient to outsource rather than change their ways. 

 

That seems in rather huge contradiction to the Marshall plan. Perhaps it is more accurate to say maybe Europe did not need the U.S., but if the U.S. wanted Europe to develop in a more friendly/capitalist direction, a lot of resources were going to have to invested. Almost anything country in Europe is far left of the democrats, and that is probably only a result of heavy US involvement. I suspect a lot of Europe might have gone socialist if the U.S. was not willing to get so involved.

[Sinistar]

signing agreements does not per se make us allies with them

where does this magic ingredient come into it

 

you see the predatory behaviors where their media and public messages openly regard the united states as a problem for them if it we do not behave in the way they perceive as beneficial to them

if we hold an election where they see it as headed in the wrong direction they let us know or they seem to inject themselves into it

 

i will be frank my basic view is that all relationships are transactional

it is just a matter of whether people wake up and see this in everything going on all around them

 

the europeans would not care about the united states at all so long as they do not benefit from it somehow

nor vice versa

 

you will tend to find in any situationship that is what holds it together

there must be some perceived gain in it for parties to continue to associate

if you remove that from it then one party either becomes a charity case and place more of the burden to perform on the other

or it is a draw and nothing of value is perceived by either party and therefore there is likely to be no association

 

 

 

[DKTanker]

In other news BBC director, Tim Davie, has resigned because of his role in creating a maliciously false story regarding Trump and January 6, 2021.

[Ivanhoe]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogananda_Pittman
 

Quote

 

According to Steven Sund and Tarik Johnson, formerly of the U.S. Capitol Police, while Pittman was the interim Head of the U.S. Capitol Police, she had specific intelligence that there was a planned protest at the Capitol at least two weeks before the January 6, 2021 incident. According to findings in a bipartisan Senate investigation, a series of omissions and miscommunications kept that information from reaching front-line officers.

Following the resignation of Steven Sund in 2021, Pittman became acting chief of the Capitol Police. She was the first woman and first African American to lead the Capitol Police. On February 15, 2021, the U.S. Capitol Police Labor Committee, the union representing Capitol Police officers, voted 92% against Pittman in a vote of no confidence in her leadership.

On December 5, 2022, the University of California, Berkeley, announced that Pittman had assumed the role of chief of the Berkeley department of the UCPD, with her leadership beginning February 1, 2023.

 

Funny how she ended up a stone's throw away from Nancy Pelosi's stomping grounds. 

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, DKTanker said:

In other news BBC director, Tim Davie, has resigned because of his role in creating a maliciously false story regarding Trump and January 6, 2021.

No criminal charges for false reporting? 

[lucklucky]

4 hours ago, Josh said:

Almost anything country in Europe is far left of the democrats

Ridiculous affirmation. That affirmation might have been valid until the end of cold war and even then with some caveats. US is since 2005-2010 is the world centre of Marxism.

[seahawk]

11 hours ago, Murph said:

That is because Europe needs the US, and in WWI, a Democrat, like the Democrat in WWII, and Vietnam got us into a war we had no reason being in.  In both wars Winston Churchill had a guiding hand, so we could save the British Empire.

The US was a useful tool for the British, as it gave them muscle they did not have and allowed them to start wars, they otherwise would have lost. WW1, WW2,... now Ukraine. 

The US must entangle itself from Europe. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 hour ago, seahawk said:

The US was a useful tool for the British, as it gave them muscle they did not have and allowed them to start wars, they otherwise would have lost. WW1, WW2,... now Ukraine. 

The US must entangle itself from Europe. 

Oh, Id argue its been just as much the other way around. Still is for that matter as they have us jumping through expensive hoops with Mauritius, just to keep Diego Garcia open. Do I see the US Taxpayer opening his chequebook? Not a bit of it.

WW1, WW2, Korea, the Middle East, we were America's loyal Tonto. The next time there is a 911 (and my guess its If, not when, after the disaster of Afghanistan), a US President will snap his finger to assemble the avengers, and there will be a collective yawn and a fart. 

Not to worry. Perhaps China will be merciful.

 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

On 11/8/2025 at 8:45 PM, seahawk said:

So the Tridents need to come home... And cooperation with a rogue nation like the UK must be ended. 

The problem is, just as for the pending US replacement, the UK helped fund their development. The acquisition actually cost the equivalent of 23 Billion pounds in todays money, or about todays 30 Billion US Dollars. Maybe the US can afford to turn that amount of money away. I would guess so seeing as they can drop 40 billion dollar bungs on South American Presidents whilst telling their farmers they are broke.

So we can see, not exactly mates rates.

Oh, it will end, I dont doubt the US will pull the plug one day, because the Tsunami of cluelessness has not yet reached its apex. And when it is over, just like every time a populist leader has cluelessly had their way (Chavez I would suggest is a very good model here), the devastation left in his wake will be apparent.

When that happens, suddenly the people whom were most spiritied in Trumps defense (just as they once were for Bush and the war on terror) will instantly forget they ever supported him and try to pretend otherwise. it is written.

 

 

[rmgill]

Is this based on more lies from the BBC Stuart? 
 

When is the BBC leadership getting arrested for media lies Stuart? 

You advocated for this legal policy. 

[Sinistar]

12 hours ago, seahawk said:

The US was a useful tool for the British, as it gave them muscle they did not have and allowed them to start wars, they otherwise would have lost. WW1, WW2,... now Ukraine. 

The US must entangle itself from Europe. 

 

you watch the way the uk and europe behave

they seem to indicate that the united states owes them performance 

like backseat drivers they demand from the united states but remain in the position to criticize

rarely themselves are criticized

which is a privileged position to be in

 

even after all of this behavior you still do not see in the united states mass protests about what douchebags the british are like you might see in their public demonstrations or the unending narratives in their press about the united states

which would be an interesting turn for once just to make the movie fresh 

 

 

while their economies look shaky and the discourse in their civil societies enter into brave new world territory

the media carries the politically correct narrative that ukraine is a success while it is being destroyed and the europeans have no idea what to do but to continue to prop up a policy which cannot be rescued and while you watch their economies continue to project that they are overstretched and they continue to double down

 

if the united states does not somehow fix their problems by voting for the right candidates or acting the correct way you watch the way they regard us

our domestic problems are a concern for them where they perceive it affects them negatively

 

behind the veneer of somehow being harmless their leadership and their media behave like the manipulative narcissists they often claim that we are only they hide behind some cloak of being more progressive or enlightened

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 10 by Sinistar

[Murph]

Trump to BBC: Surrender or face 1 Billion dollar lawsuit.  

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/11/10/president-trump-says-he-will-sue-bbc-for-1-billion-if-no-action-by-friday-night/