Because Trump 2.0

[DKTanker]

23 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

It's different when killing is an outlier meaning that something went wrong and when killing is policy and means that something went... exactly right. I suspect that for Trump it's the latter. 

Perusing social media, Trump has full support from his MAGAts for this version of policing.  Democrats fear to speak out against the naked murder of civilians lest they appear soft on drugs, Trump and his following are glad of it.  Fear and intimidation has always been the hallmark of an authoritarian state, a slope we have found ourselves on since 9/11.

[DKTanker]

46 minutes ago, rmgill said:

We also don’t know all of the details for why the USN decided to do a small sinkex vs a board and search. 
The presence of hostiles would dictate. 

 

First, what hostilities?  Second, we don't know details because your Beloved has refused to provide them.  Bomb Iran, and the WH and Pentagon had all manner of details to share.  Vaporize a boat and its occupants, crickets.

So I found these slim pickings of details. The boat was not in international waters, it was within the waters of Venezuela travelling parallel with the coast toward Trinity and Tobago. So tell us, what about that makes the vaporization of a boat and its occupants noble, just, and righteous?

Edited September 9 by DKTanker

[rmgill]

10 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

First, what hostilities?  Second, we don't know details because your Beloved has refused to provide them.  Bomb Iran, and the WH and Pentagon had all manner of details to share.  Vaporize a boat and its occupants, crickets.

Come on, you know specific details of intel would compromise sources if they released them. You understand this. You're not obtuse like some others. This goes especially true of Humint. 

Think about the complexities of intel on the Cartels if they're wise to the SigInt we have. How many Americans have died at the hands of the cartel's organized crime, piracy, smuggling and drug running? How is that not hostilities? 

As to what hostilities? Seriously? 

How much cartel organized crime has made it to US cities? It's not zero. It's mostly not talked about but it's out there. And not JUST in the border. You basically have to be friends with cops who get the intel circulars and talk about them to really have a clue I guess. 

If Al Quaida had a profit motive and not an ideological one, would that be better? Less of a threat? 


The media barely talks about the murder of a 23 YO girl on a train in NC by a special needs person that the left considers saintly. You really think they'll publish a story or even give it an in depth telling when a Cartel sicario comes to the US and murders an entire family due to some beef they had with someone in that household? 
 

Edited September 9 by rmgill

[futon]

There's an infrared video of the motor boat on the wiki page for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_United_States_strike_on_a_Southern_Caribbean_boat#Venezuela

The boat didn't even have a roof, it was so small.

[DKTanker]

10 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Come on, you know specific details of intel would compromise sources if they released them. You understand this. You're not obtuse like some others. This goes especially true of Humint. 

As to what hostilities? Seriously? 

 

From sources other than the WH and Pentagon we are learning the boat never left the waters of Venezuela and furthermore, was sailing parallel with the Venezuelan coast.  How is that, by any stretch of the imagination, hostile toward the United States?

So yes, seriously, what hostilities?

[rmgill]

4 hours ago, DKTanker said:

From sources other than the WH and Pentagon we are learning the boat never left the waters of Venezuela and furthermore, was sailing parallel with the Venezuelan coast.  How is that, by any stretch of the imagination, hostile toward the United States?

So yes, seriously, what hostilities?

From the cited wikipedia page on the craft and the location..

"Sailing" from here.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/San+Juan+de+Unare,+Sucre,+Venezuela/@10.7565101,-62.7873579,14299m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x8c3401f1551929b9:0xe8fd5b3ad9d911e!8m2!3d10.7494704!4d-62.739002!16s%2Fg%2F1wzt3dtj?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDkwMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

The vessel came from San Juan de Unare, located on the Paria Peninsula in Sucre (a coastal state in the northeastern part of Venezuela).^[2][18] Inhabitants describing a town in mourning^[19] published photos of the deceased,^[2] which included eight persons from San Juan de Unare and three from a nearby town, Güiria. El Pitazo reported that the boat was a flipper type with four 200-horsepower engines, about 12 metres (39 ft) long, and was headed for nearby Trinidad and Tobago. Two other vessels which departed at about the same time escaped detection.^{[2][17][20][21]} U.S. military veteran Luis Quiñonez stated in a television interview that three warnings (in English, Spanish and Portuguese) to stop were issued,^[22] and sources told journalist Sebastiana Barráez [es] that the vessel carried a "considerable cargo" and that some had been thrown overboard before the U.S. attack.^[17]

Originally a fishing village, San Juan de Unare had been for two decades taken over as a transit point in the drug trade, according to Ronna Rísquez.^[23] France 24 stated that local media reported the town had been since 2018 a "strategic hub for drug trafficking, human trafficking, and irregular migration" and that Tren de Aragua ran drugs ultimately destined for the U.S. from the Sucre coast via Caribbean islands.^[19] According to Efecto Cocuyo, Sucre state's location, close to Trinidad, "facilitates the proliferation of these illicit activities, a fact that has been widely documented by various organizations ... in multiple investigations".^[18] An anonymous expert on organized crime told Efecto Cocuyo that drug trafficking in the region originates outside San Juan de Unare, facilitating transhipment of drugs originating in Colombia, and that gangs such as Tren de Aragua are "attempting to control these territories to establish direct transportation routes to the islands of the Eastern Caribbean".^[18]

[Stuart Galbraith]

4 hours ago, futon said:

Rather than Kabuki, its WWE.

Yes, you have a point.

 

[rmgill]

Better than a broadway musical like Hamilton. 

 

[DKTanker]

18 minutes ago, rmgill said:

From the cited wikipedia page on the craft and the location..
 

So what part of that contradicted what I said, and again, how was that boat, headed toward Trinidad and Tobago while in Venezuelan waters, threatening the United States to the degree Dear Leader had it vaporized?  The US Navy, with Marines, has been operating in waters off of Venezuela since mid August.  One might think such a small craft, which apparently wasn't threatening any US naval ship, wouldn't pose an imminent threat requiring its absolute destruction and the killing of all occupants.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Well at least one of you is consistent about wanting to end the endless wars.

[rmgill]

I'm consistent on not wanting more of the same business as usual shit that allows...

. Violent criminals released back on the streets. 
. Mentally insane violent criminals released back on the streets.
. Violent immigrants released onto the streets
. Violent cartel actors importing drugs by the ton onto our streets and conducting violent wars against competition and murdering Americans as part of their activities. 


Letting the cartels operate with impugnity for decades with increasing levels of violence over the border into the US and smuggling millions of people into the us with the untold crime that accompanies all that and the other woke policies. 

I don't care any more. The pendulum is going to swing the other way for a while. 

The Slaying of Iryna Zarutska has everything to do with the unimpeded cartel activities all across the Carribean.

[rmgill]

19 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

So what part of that contradicted what I said, and again, how was that boat, headed toward Trinidad and Tobago while in Venezuelan waters, threatening the United States to the degree Dear Leader had it vaporized?  The US Navy, with Marines, has been operating in waters off of Venezuela since mid August.  One might think such a small craft, which apparently wasn't threatening any US naval ship, wouldn't pose an imminent threat requiring its absolute destruction and the killing of all occupants.

Those ball bearing plants in Schweinfurt weren't a threat to the US either were they? 

Your ability to find nuance would make Barry Obama pleased. 

[Mr King]

55 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Well at least one of you is consistent about wanting to end the endless wars.

I can't speak for Ryan but we have been in a losing war with narco terrorists on the domestic front for some time now. I don't want the US involved in foreign wars, but I am not going to lose any sleep over our government turning narco terrorists into hamburger. We should have gone gloves off against these people decades ago. 

[rmgill]

We had a headless body show up in my area if Atlanta. The naked headless body with the ties to gang indicated that one of the cartels was making a power play. That was the read on it. It's been low key.

 Call it Kabuki theatre if you like. But that's how the cartels work. 


You want to see more of that in your city? Sure...lets keep playing softball with the cartels. 

[Josh]

On 9/8/2025 at 10:22 PM, R011 said:

A birthday years before anyone realized Epstein was a criminal.  It  is well known that Trump used to be a pal back then and had a falling out well before Epstein was first investigated.   Assuming, of course, the letter is genuine.

So the guy white a letter like that gets a pass. But if it was Biden…presumably you would have the same point of view? If Biden’s signature was on an Epstein birthday letter, I assume you would give him the benefit of the doubt as well?

[seahawk]

Biden is a known Pedo.. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

11 hours ago, Mr King said:

I can't speak for Ryan but we have been in a losing war with narco terrorists on the domestic front for some time now. I don't want the US involved in foreign wars, but I am not going to lose any sleep over our government turning narco terrorists into hamburger. We should have gone gloves off against these people decades ago. 

Look, I loved Miami Vice too. I too wanted to drive a White Ferrari Testarossa and ventilate shifty looking South American Narco traffickers with a Mini Uzi. I wanted to look as cool as Crocket and Tubs whilst doing it, pull supermodels, do it all to a banging 1980's soundtrack. What can you say, it was fundimental in my upbringing.

But you have been losing the war on drug trafficking for nigh on 50 years now. it failed. It was failing even when Miami Vice was on TV (Crockett eventually quits in disgust in the last episode because of it). It will always fail, because Politicians will always take the easy solution, ventilating a few low level guys or putting them away for 40 years, rather than doing whats necessary. Adequate border patrols, adequate screening in airports, well funded drug rehabilitation clinics. You fail on all those.

But thats just the external problem. You had a problem with that, you likely always will have a problem with that, because nobody is willing to put in the investment and time to deal with it, whatever the posturing over Venezuela or Mexico might be. Now the real problem is not the cocaine or heroin smuggled in. Its Fentanyl. And despite holding Canadians responsible for it, Trump has made absolutely no progress dealing with it. So for the cost of wasting a speedboat and 11 minions, he successfully distracted you all from the truth. That Fentanyl in 2022 killed more Americans than you lost in the entire Vietnam war. And most like, it will go on doing it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/states-drug-problems-ranking-mapped-b2743249.html

Is blowing up Venezuelan Speedboats going to do anything about that? It seems unlikely. So why embark on another costly external war, when the problem is quite evidently at home?

 

Edited September 10 by Stuart Galbraith

[Stuart Galbraith]

12 hours ago, rmgill said:

I'm consistent on not wanting more of the same business as usual shit that allows...

. Violent criminals released back on the streets. 
. Mentally insane violent criminals released back on the streets.
. Violent immigrants released onto the streets
. Violent cartel actors importing drugs by the ton onto our streets and conducting violent wars against competition and murdering Americans as part of their activities. 


Letting the cartels operate with impugnity for decades with increasing levels of violence over the border into the US and smuggling millions of people into the us with the untold crime that accompanies all that and the other woke policies. 

I don't care any more. The pendulum is going to swing the other way for a while. 

The Slaying of Iryna Zarutska has everything to do with the unimpeded cartel activities all across the Carribean.

 

Id argue it has far more to do with the utter failure of your mental health services, which has contributed to everything from several mass shootings to several high level assassinations (Including the attempt on President Trump). Decades of failure. You spend more than anyone else in Europe on Healthcare, far more than on Defense, and you still keep getting results like this. And then you externalise the problem and blame the south Americans for the problem.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iryna-zarutska-decarlos-brown-jr-north-carolina-federal-charges/

'Brown has a long criminal history, including serving five years in prison for robbery with a dangerous weapon, and had been diagnosed with schizophrenia, according to The Associated Press. Brown's mother told a local television station she recently sought an involuntary psychiatric commitment after he became violent at home, the AP reported.'

 

Yes, and compounded by a complete failure of your local judicial system to either put him in prison for life, or put him in a mental hospital, where he belonged years ago.

https://www.indiatimes.com/trending/who-is-decarlos-brown-jr-14-arrests-mental-illness-and-a-violent-pastwhy-was-he-free-before-killing-iryna-zarutska-669253.html

 

'Despite a violent history, Decarlos Brown was repeatedly released

Despite a long and violent criminal record, 34-year-old Decarlos Brown Jr. was repeatedly released back into the community. As reported by the New York Post, Brown assaulted his own sister just months after being released from prison.

Court records reveal a disturbing pattern, showing that Brown has spent much of his adult life in and out of jail since 2011. His extensive rap sheet includes serious charges such as felony larceny, robbery with a dangerous weapon, and making criminal threats, raising serious concerns about how someone with such a history remained free despite the escalating severity of his offences.Why was Decarlos Brown Jr. released after being arrested for multiple murders?

According to the Daily Mail, Brown served five years behind bars for armed robbery and was arrested for assaulting his sister. As per the Axios report, Decarlos Brown Jr., has a diagnosis of schizophrenia and a history of violent crimes.

In January, Brown was released from jail without bond after being arrested for misusing the 911 system. At the time, he made bizarre claims that "man-made" material had been implanted in his body, controlling his basic functions like eating, walking, and speaking.

Then, in July, concerns were raised about his mental state when his public defender questioned whether he was mentally fit to stand trial. Although a judge ordered a forensic evaluation, it was never carried out, and Brown remained free, according to Queen City News.

 

But by all means, blame Venezuelans for the utter failure of your own public servants. Thats just the distraction your President needs to keep going on ignoring it.

[rmgill]

Its a multi front issue. Just because one segment is a problem does not mean another is not also a problem. 
 

Gangs and organized crime from all over the central American sphere are an issue as are the US inner city gangs. As are the mentally insane whom the criminal justice system ignores until they commit a high profile murder. 
 

Meanwhile the US left goes after the likes of Daniel Perry when the mentally insane are stopped in mid stride before they cause harm to another. 

[Mr King]

5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Look, I loved Miami Vice too. I too wanted to drive a White Ferrari Testarossa and ventilate shifty looking South American Narco traffickers with a Mini Uzi. I wanted to look as cool as Crocket and Tubs whilst doing it, pull supermodels, do it all to a banging 1980's soundtrack. What can you say, it was fundimental in my upbringing.

But you have been losing the war on drug trafficking for nigh on 50 years now. it failed. It was failing even when Miami Vice was on TV (Crockett eventually quits in disgust in the last episode because of it). It will always fail, because Politicians will always take the easy solution, ventilating a few low level guys or putting them away for 40 years, rather than doing whats necessary. Adequate border patrols, adequate screening in airports, well funded drug rehabilitation clinics. You fail on all those.

But thats just the external problem. You had a problem with that, you likely always will have a problem with that, because nobody is willing to put in the investment and time to deal with it, whatever the posturing over Venezuela or Mexico might be. Now the real problem is not the cocaine or heroin smuggled in. Its Fentanyl. And despite holding Canadians responsible for it, Trump has made absolutely no progress dealing with it. So for the cost of wasting a speedboat and 11 minions, he successfully distracted you all from the truth. That Fentanyl in 2022 killed more Americans than you lost in the entire Vietnam war. And most like, it will go on doing it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/states-drug-problems-ranking-mapped-b2743249.html

Is blowing up Venezuelan Speedboats going to do anything about that? It seems unlikely. So why embark on another costly external war, when the problem is quite evidently at home?

 

Like Ryan already explained it's a multi front war requiring different tactics for each front. The left has purposely hamstringed our ability to respond to it for decades. Trump has been in office all of 8 months. Blasting drug boats out of the water is a huge policy shift that I hope he will continue with. I also hope he escalates it and declares open season on the drug lords as well.

[Stuart Galbraith]

13 minutes ago, Mr King said:

Like Ryan already explained it's a multi front war requiring different tactics for each front. The left has purposely hamstringed our ability to respond to it for decades. Trump has been in office all of 8 months. Blasting drug boats out of the water is a huge policy shift that I hope he will continue with. I also hope he escalates it and declares open season on the drug lords as well.

Yes, but these are tactics, when what is needed is a Strategy. An all encompassing, root and branch strategy to deal with the supply, demand, and social environment in which drug dealing occurs. And nobody is interested in doing big policy like that, because no politician is going to see a return on the investment in 4 years. 

Well, is it a policy shift? How many drug dealers have been shot since the early 1970s? You wasted scores of Bootleggers, and the industry went on.  When you have removed senior drug barons like El Chapo, Noriega, Escobar, then its clear that just removing players doesnt make any difference. The industry goes on, just like it did when you removed Lucky Luciano or Al Capone. 

Far as I see it, the left get in, the right get in, and nothing changes. Because the tactics are dumb, and nobody has the courage to do the one thing that will work. Legalization. So they keep shoving these 'Lets kill some more drug dealers, it will solve the problem!' tactics at you. 

When you have been doing much the same thing for 50 years, and its made no difference, then its time for a change. You are quite right that far. But unless Trump is planning on invading and annexing South America and forcing American style democracy on them (and rather than pissing about with Canada, doing it to Mexico might actually be a good idea) this cannot work.

This is not a moral objection. Personally I dont really care if you make all the drug traffickers walk the plank or string them up by their balls.  But this is being presented as a root and branch change that will alter everything, and it obviously cannot. 4 years from now there will be a shootlist of how many drug traffickers you plinked. And nothing will be different. But it will be applauded anyway.

[JWB]

Michigan judge tosses out criminal charges against 2020 Trump false electors

Lansing — An Ingham County judge on Tuesday threw out criminal charges against 15 Michigan Republicans who signed a certificate falsely claiming President Donald Trump won the 2020 election, ruling that state prosecutors had failed to show they had an intent to commit fraud.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[Stuart Galbraith]

American right wing political activist Charlie Kirk has been shot on a university campus in Utah. Fortunately still alive, but unclear what condition.

Edited September 10 by Stuart Galbraith

[DKTanker]

23 hours ago, rmgill said:

I'm consistent on not wanting more of the same business as usual shit that allows...

Upset with USCG are you?  They stopped a boat, arrested the personnel on board and confiscated the contraband.  Only after doing that did they use the boat for target practice.  That's the old way of doing business, conducted just a few days ago.  The new way, apparently approved by you, is to simply vaporize the boat and all evidence.
 

 

[DKTanker]

It was bound to happen, even with his own personal security detail, it was bound to happen that a Leftist would attempt, if not succeed, with assassinating Kirk.  He simply asks too many uncomfortable questions on various university campuses.