Because Trump 2.0

[Sinistar]

8 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Now someone is being really very silly. I be you believe Oswald was working for the CIA, doncha?

Shock Headline. Tory Newspaper says the sky is falling!

 

we already litigated this in several years' judiciary hearings in congress among other ways all this behavior was going on with the trump-russia movie

 

we saw what it was 

 

you lost the appelsauce englishman

you lost in 2016 and 2024

maybe it is silly after all

 

because you should look at the economic prognosis for the uk

Edited August 28, 2025 by Sinistar

[Stuart Galbraith]

17 minutes ago, Sinistar said:

 

we already litigated this in several years' judiciary hearings in congress among other ways all this behavior was going on with the trump-russia movie

 

we saw what it was 

 

you lost the appelsauce englishman

you lost in 2016 and 2024

maybe it is silly after all

 

because you should look at the economic prognosis for the uk

Ah yes, lets get our economic prognosis from the Daily Express!

 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2025 by Stuart Galbraith

[Sinistar]

6 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Ah yes, lets get our economic prognosis from the Daily Express!

 

 

 

 

you are not proving anything but making a strawman

if you look i did not post anything linked to the daily express

[Stuart Galbraith]

Yes you did. The link you posted, look at the 'Daily Express' banner at the top. Its a DE story they cited.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/economy/uk-faces-imf-bailout-as-expert-fears-reeves-s-economy-is-crumbling-under-scrutiny/ar-BB1r9mdh

Edited August 28, 2025 by Stuart Galbraith

[Stuart Galbraith]

Well in fairness it will probably be easier to find their way about if the electrics ever go out...

[rmgill]

6 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said:

In your personal opinion, do the areas in the White House with added gold-paint/leaf look better than before?

It's certainly an older fashioned form of how the federal style was done. I also know that the ancient greek style which a lot of the federal architectural style is based upon wasn't all stark white. 

I will note that EITHER the white house had the frames cleaned, or the Media are using different gamma/color correction curves on the two photos because the Painting of Jefferson in the two photos below ARE the same painting and the same frame. Note the tone/color of the frame AND Jefferson's face. 





I'm not the resident or the occupants. I like the displayed paintings more. I am ambivalent on the federal style of austere white or gilded age details (I lean more to Greene and Green and the arts and crafts style). But the Gold leaf is a matter of tradition as an appliqué as well. 

FDR front and center over the fire place is less ideal than George Washington (that's either the original or a repro of Charles Willson Peale's 1776 painting ) and the founding fathers surrounding him. (Franklin and Pres Jefferson Flanking Pres Washington, Pres Adams and I can't recall the upper right. It's not Madison, he had a pronounced widow's peak. Below is I think a young Andrew Jackson. 


Here's a thing.
Not everyone likes your Ikea minimalism Stefan. And the US Federal Style leans more to having gold leaf emphasizing certain details in moulding, as above, rather than the ornate European Rococo styles. So harden the fuck up Stefan. 

Edited August 28, 2025 by rmgill

[Sinistar]

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Yes you did. The link you posted, look at the 'Daily Express' banner at the top. Its a DE story they cited.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/economy/uk-faces-imf-bailout-as-expert-fears-reeves-s-economy-is-crumbling-under-scrutiny/ar-BB1r9mdh

 

the subject is circulated through several channels

 

and you do see the selective way as who carries it and who does not

 

for example if the bbc makes no mention of it then it simply is not real

 

if the telegraph carries it then maybe it is still not real if labour has the stewardship

 

the message itself is not real depending on audience criteria and who is in office

 

which source would you suggest 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2025 by Sinistar

[Ol Paint]

What government would allow ornate decorations, other than the most perfidious dictactorships?

The horror of gold trim and gold framing are surely the hallmark of authoritarian strongmen:

Look to the understated halls of egalitarian government with no need for ornate deoration:

See, America, there's no call for any decoration in representative government...or were those photos from UK's Parliament, the French National Assembly, and the Norwegian Storting?  Nah, couldn't be.

As far as parades in the national capitol city, what happens at 1100 and 1500 in London?

Of course, nary a bit of gold in sight...

Doug

Edited August 28, 2025 by Ol Paint

[Murph]

It is only wrong when Trump does it.  After all the Euros are just so civilized and elite. 

[Soren Ras]

The Scuola Grande di San Rocco, a confraternity (voluntary Christian association of laypeople - basically a guildhouse, though it must be said that most guilds don't get Tintoretto to decorate their ballroom).

In Venice.

Some find this tacky. Some find it beautiful. The former are wrong.

But, I suppose de gustibus non est disputandum . 

[bojan]

I am personally not a fan of style but you would have to be a moron not to recognize good art when it is there.

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[seahawk]

Trump derangement syndrome. Everything he does is hated by the left.  

[Stuart Galbraith]

11 hours ago, Ol Paint said:

What government would allow ornate decorations, other than the most perfidious dictactorships?

The horror of gold trim and gold framing are surely the hallmark of authoritarian strongmen:

Look to the understated halls of egalitarian government with no need for ornate deoration:

See, America, there's no call for any decoration in representative government...or were those photos from UK's Parliament, the French National Assembly, and the Norwegian Storting?  Nah, couldn't be.

As far as parades in the national capitol city, what happens at 1100 and 1500 in London?

Of course, nary a bit of gold in sight...

Doug

So lets get this straight. You set up a Republic, because you want to get away from all those moldy trappings of the Hapsburgs, Romanovs, Hohenzollerns and Windsors, with the  associated forelock tugging and the ring kissing and entitlement. You dont even allow your people to have foreign titles for fear of breeding a new monarchy. But you are perfectly ok with the White house being turned into a faux Versailles, even though it has obvious implications you are electing a King, not a President.

Yes, that makes perfect sense.  

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

9 hours ago, Soren Ras said:

The Scuola Grande di San Rocco, a confraternity (voluntary Christian association of laypeople - basically a guildhouse, though it must be said that most guilds don't get Tintoretto to decorate their ballroom).

In Venice.

Some find this tacky. Some find it beautiful. The former are wrong.

But, I suppose de gustibus non est disputandum . 

Imho its beautiful. But of course the Venetians were wealthy and not Protestant austere, in their churches and their public buildings. 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

16 hours ago, rmgill said:

It's certainly an older fashioned form of how the federal style was done. I also know that the ancient greek style which a lot of the federal architectural style is based upon wasn't all stark white. 

I will note that EITHER the white house had the frames cleaned, or the Media are using different gamma/color correction curves on the two photos because the Painting of Jefferson in the two photos below ARE the same painting and the same frame. Note the tone/color of the frame AND Jefferson's face. 





I'm not the resident or the occupants. I like the displayed paintings more. I am ambivalent on the federal style of austere white or gilded age details (I lean more to Greene and Green and the arts and crafts style). But the Gold leaf is a matter of tradition as an appliqué as well. 

FDR front and center over the fire place is less ideal than George Washington (that's either the original or a repro of Charles Willson Peale's 1776 painting ) and the founding fathers surrounding him. (Franklin and Pres Jefferson Flanking Pres Washington, Pres Adams and I can't recall the upper right. It's not Madison, he had a pronounced widow's peak. Below is I think a young Andrew Jackson. 


Here's a thing.
Not everyone likes your Ikea minimalism Stefan. And the US Federal Style leans more to having gold leaf emphasizing certain details in moulding, as above, rather than the ornate European Rococo styles. So harden the fuck up Stefan. 

I do, for its the English legacy.

Want to see what an English church looks like?  My local Church is near identical to this.

 

 

What do you notice? No gilding. Because during the reformation, all our churches were whitewashed, the gilding removed and the iconography destroyed. Because there was a general movement against idolatory. These people ultimately became Puritans, the same guys that laid the bedrock for your nation. You might say its plain, you might say its unadorned. You might say its even dull. Perhaps you are even right (certainly compared to Venice) But this was the core of the American faith, and you could say, the bedrock of the American revolution.

Someone posted a picture of The House of Commons. The reason why it looks so gilded in the foyer is because of a man called Pugin. He went around a lot of churches in the early victorian period and pepped them up by putting in lots of gilding. Pugin converted to catholicism early in his career, which perhaps explains his penchant for, how can I say it, overadornment? He was commisioned by the Victorians to adorn the new Palace of Westminster. Well, maybe before easy access to electric bulbs it was a good idea.

It is interesting to note that when Parliament was hit by a bomb in 1941 when they rebuilt the chamber postwar, it looked like this. You can say this was Socialism speaking. But In reality it is a return to the unadornment Britons feel most comfortable with. The only gilded things in the room are the mace and the speakers chair.

 

Even St Pauls, the Victorians practiced their vandalism through adornment. Wren completed the building largely unadorned, and the Victorians felt it was largely unfinished. So they went nuts with it, putting on gilding everywhere. Other than on one wing which they left as Wren designed it, and to my mind, its all the better for it.

 

Want to see what America looks like?

Thats washington national cathedral. Or, another example, Gettysburg church. I gather this one was used as a hospital after the battle.

Substantially altered since the battle im sure, but I gather, still the place your wounded were nursed in. And personally, I enjoy the Lutherian style simplicity. Reminds me almost of Methodist.

Oh, of course you have different styles, sure. You have Catholic churches. You have have Orthodox churches, they are more ornate, though not as overtop as their European models. But if you want a single style, a purity, of what the founding fathers approved of, of what they enjoyed, this is it. Protestant Austerity. You can see this in your capitol building.  Other than the dome, which seems to be emulating the Pathenon in Rome, very restrained gilding.

That is the American style of church and state architecture. Simplistic, but solid, and quite frank, honest. It is something of a wonder, that in an era when you are wanting to return to first principles, your President adopts a style of adornment completely divorced from the American tradition.

Of course, if by contrast, some Temus stick on gold tat rocks your boat for you, Im delighted for you. May I also direct you to Graceland to complete your education in taste.

Edited August 29, 2025 by Stuart Galbraith

[urbanoid]

Just more confirmation that Trump is the first Ottoman POTUS.

https://x.com/escapefrommelos/status/1937035780477890624

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

That fits perfectly actually.

 

[Ol Paint]

5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

So lets get this straight. You set up a Republic, because you want to get away from all those moldy trappings of the Hapsburgs, Romanovs, Hohenzollerns and Windsors, with the  associated forelock tugging and the ring kissing and entitlement. You dont even allow your people to have foreign titles for fear of breeding a new monarchy. But you are perfectly ok with the White house being turned into a faux Versailles, even though it has obvious implications you are electing a King, not a President.

Yes, that makes perfect sense.  

 

You should look at the pictures again. 

First one is the lobby of Parliament, the elected body representing the citizens.

The second one is the French National Assembly.  Who rather famously did what to the monarchy?

The third is Norway's Storting, again chosen as chambers of the elected representatives of the citizens and because the Scandinavians are often considered to be both reserved and egalitarian.

Those specific examples were used in anticipation of you making precisely these deflections.  You walked right in to it, in spite of the identification of the spaces as chambers of representative bodies.

The only Imperial head of state in the post is your own Buckingham.  Because you chose to make commentary about Trump using the US Army as a ceremonial organization because of ONE parade.  

Now you want to drag the Anglican church into it.  A Puritanical Pilgrim beginning in the northeast translated into the separation of church and state.  As a result, you can find Lutheran churches sharing the same block or neighborhood as Catholic, Baptist, or Presbyterian.  They can be ornate or unadorned as their congregation decides.  Not a federal government or presidential role.

Doug 

Edited August 29, 2025 by Ol Paint
Because smartphone hard.

[rmgill]

5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

So lets get this straight. You set up a Republic, because you want to get away from all those moldy trappings of the Hapsburgs, Romanovs, Hohenzollerns and Windsors, with the  associated forelock tugging and the ring kissing and entitlement.

You've never taken a class in Art history have you?

You're confusing Rococo with Federal Style. They're not the same. And no we didn't do the Forelock tugging and ring kissing and the entitlement was specifically excluded. But you were OK with Biden's son being given a pass on gun charges weren't you? Wasn't that the very epitome of entitlement? 

Back to comparisons...

An Opulent example of Federal style. 



Roman (and some greek) details to the mantle, moldings, door openings. Bascially a US variation of the details that Palladio emphasized in his books which ALSO influenced many British buildings of a similar style but slightly different interpretation. SOME gold leaf on specific details. Not everything. 

Note, some examples of french louis style furnishings (We were friendly with Frances at the time). 

https://www.thisoldhouse.com/21018460/federal-style

https://www.idesignarch.com/palatial-federal-style-mansion-in-houston/

Rococo style. 
Versaills palace of mirrors. See the differences? 

5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

You dont even allow your people to have foreign titles for fear of breeding a new monarchy. But you are perfectly ok with the White house being turned into a faux Versailles, even though it has obvious implications you are electing a King, not a President.

Yes, that makes perfect sense.  

 

Also, the ALL white greek and roman revival styles are actually muted examples of what was origianlly correct as far as historians. 






The all white columns, pediments, arches, etc, is as accurate as an interpretation as restoring a tank with a rusted look vs correct camo and markings. (obligatory tank reference for the thread sport!)

Edited August 29, 2025 by rmgill

[rmgill]

You know, I dare say that Stuart doesn't know architectural styles at all and doesn't know who Andrea Palladio  was. Palladio was inspired by Roman and Greek architecture as underscored by Marcus Vitruvius Pollio, specifically around 15 BC. Palladio had a 1570 publication I quattro libri dell'architettura (The Four Books of Architecture) which illustrated his own buildings and those historical buildings he found to be the best examples of the styles. 

The Westminster Chambers of Parliament in Westminster PALCE (A Palace.. what style are you emphasizing again?) are clearly a much earlier style than ANY of the Greek/Roman revival stuff that was reflective of the Palladian styles which came MUCH later. Westminster is from the 11th Century and styles reflective of that era. NOT the later Rococo styles you seem to be pointing to. 

To whit:
"Palladianism first emerged in Britain in the work of the Scottish architect Colen Campbell (1676 – 1729). His book Vitruvius Britannicus, or The British Architect(1715) was a catalogue of contemporary British buildings. It featured a design for his pioneering house at Wanstead, Essex, which incorporated all the key Palladian features: a focus on symmetry, proportion and balance, with one side of the building a mirror image of the other; the use of temple fronts (a pediment supported by Corinthian columns or pilasters) and large tripartite Venetian windows. It also featured a rusticated basement – a lower floor which contained masonry blocks with a rough, rustic appearance that contrasted with the smooth finish of the building at a higher level."

The same goes for Gothic Cathedrals which are an earlier, 12th to 16th century style. National Cathedral is replicating English GOTHIC style of the late 14th century. Which is again earlier than Palladian style... 

[seahawk]

Trump derangement syndrome. He overs Gold - the British King

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britische_Kronjuwelen#/media/Datei:Saint_Edward's_Crown.jpg

[Ivanhoe]

Ouch;

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/feds-lisa-cook-sues-keep-job-amid-mortgage-fraud-fiasco
 

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On Thursday night, Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) Director Bill Pulte dropped a second criminal referral against Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook based on evidence that she entered into a 15-year mortgage on a third property which she listed as her "Second Home." 

On an ethics form signed with the government, however, Cook noted it as an "investment/rental property."

Why is this bad and not simply a 'clerical error'? As Pulte notes, "Representing the property as a second home may have allowed Cook to secure a lower “Second Home” mortgage down payment and rates, as investment properties typically carry higher down payments and higher rates due to increased risk."

 

 

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Update: In a statement to CNBC, Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) Director Bill Pulte said: "In her filing, Ms. Cook does not deny that these are her mortgage documents, so one has to wonder why she, or Jerome Powell, would want this to be a part of the Federal Reserve, which is supposed to have preeminent integrity and which is critical to the safety and soundness of the U.S. Mortgage Market."

What goes around, comes around.

[Ivanhoe]

https://thedailybs.com/2025/08/29/breaking-trump-axes-kamala-harriss-secret-service-protection-ahead-of-book-tour/

 

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President Donald J. Trump has officially revoked extended Secret Service protection for former Vice President Kamala Harris—a privilege quietly granted by Joe Biden during his final days in office.

The announcement came via a formal letter obtained by CNN, addressed to the Secretary of Homeland Security. Trump wrote:

“You are hereby authorized to discontinue any security-related procedures previously authorized by Executive Memorandum, beyond those required by law, for the following individual, effective September 1, 2025: Former Vice President Kamala D. Harris.”

Under federal law, former vice presidents receive Secret Service protection for six months following their departure from office. Harris’s standard coverage expired in July 2025. However, in a behind-the-scenes move, Biden reportedly extended her protection for a full additional year—without any public disclosure. That extension, now exposed, raised serious questions about transparency and whether Biden was using federal resources to shield political allies under the radar.

 

I guess Harris will need to scope out liquor stores in safer areas before she makes her next run for Henny.

[Mr King]

3 hours ago, seahawk said:

Trump derangement syndrome. He overs Gold - the British King

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britische_Kronjuwelen#/media/Datei:Saint_Edward's_Crown.jpg

I find it hard to take the opinion on over golding from a person who wears this gaudy monstrosity. It looks like something an Atlanta pimp would wear complete with a gold tooth and fur coat.