Sinistar Posted February 9 Posted February 9 33 minutes ago, Skywalkre said: What's comically naive are a lot of these responses celebrating what Elon is doing and believing he actually knows what he's talking about. I just pointed out how he was talking out of his ass in regards to some Lutheran aid organzations. You all really think just a few days of access to some of these databases and it's that easy to highlight what and where the fraud is? all of this is not new- for decades the right and the left and insiders have all said this was going on not much was being done about it until now and so the purpose of DOGE is by definition to audit what is going on you see who wants to stop it though
Skywalkre Posted February 9 Posted February 9 22 minutes ago, Sinistar said: all of this is not new- for decades the right and the left and insiders have all said this was going on not much was being done about it until now and so the purpose of DOGE is by definition to audit what is going on you see who wants to stop it though Back in my first unit in the Army my CPT and 1SG were away at some multi-day event. Leadership fell to this disgruntled senior NCO who tried to make the most of his brief time in charge. At our first formation in the motor pool he started bitching about how shit needed to get fixed, and now, and then proceeded to walk up to a water buffalo behind him and kick a rock out from under a support. Thing is... that rock was there for a reason, and the water buffalo fell forward. This dumbass senior NCO somehow didn't put 2 and 2 together. I think we can all agree some cleaning house and reorganization needs to be done in DC... but it needs to be done right. As I said, the thought that just a few hours or days looking at what Elon and his team have been looking at is enough to so easily notice fraud and waste is preposterous, plain and simple.
Sinistar Posted February 9 Posted February 9 35 minutes ago, Skywalkre said: I think we can all agree some cleaning house and reorganization needs to be done in DC... but it needs to be done right. As I said, the thought that just a few hours or days looking at what Elon and his team have been looking at is enough to so easily notice fraud and waste is preposterous, plain and simple. the right way was not doing anything this is not some typical briefing that all government and DOD employees are warned about the consequences of some E-1 or 0-3 with and admin or paymaster MOS skimming funds or taking government property or even just a few one off bribes it is not a overstatement to compare it to a shadow government in itself operating domestically and abroad similar to what oliver north was doing running a separate government from his basement or something, except this is much much larger and to some weird extent operating in plain sight musk and no one yet knows the full extent where everything is ending up or how it all works- which is why they are doing a deep dive into and probably look to wrap up these operations under the state department or some more transparent organ it requires someone to something severe as to what they are doing now if you are going to be serious about it otherwise nothing would happen
DKTanker Posted February 9 Posted February 9 37 minutes ago, rmgill said: How much corruption is reasonable? Every single bit that the Left deems reasonable. How else to explain their collective heads exploding?
Ssnake Posted February 9 Posted February 9 With careful spending adjustments you play by the system's rules, which are designed to not let you change much, especially not the rulebook. You tackle a myriad of opponents, each of them well prepared to defend their little piece of the pie, and collectively they will bring you down as special interests of the few will get defended vigorously by the few, by framing the discussion to "Women, minorities hardest hit" If you want to disrupt the whole machine, you need to attack fast and on multiple fronts to create sufficient chaos and confusion that organized resistance collapses. There will be, obviously, big collateral damages. Which method is better? Depends, I guess, on one's assessment of how broken the situation is. If you take the consequences of rising interest rates and their consequences for the balancing of public spending is concerned, I suppose you're more willing to accept collateral damages.
Ssnake Posted February 9 Posted February 9 Edmund Stoiber, a politician of world-renown in Bavaria, after not becoming German chancellor in 2007 ("Gludernde Lot"), saddled his horse to fight overregulation and too much bureaucracy in Brussels. Step one, hire 500 bureaucrats to analyze the bureaucracy. Step two, find out that most regulation "is actually reasonable and can't be removed". Step three, declare victory in 2014.
DKTanker Posted February 9 Posted February 9 50 minutes ago, Skywalkre said: At our first formation in the motor pool he started bitching about how shit needed to get fixed, and now, and then proceeded to walk up to a water buffalo behind him and kick a rock out from under a support. Thing is... that rock was there for a reason, and the water buffalo fell forward. This dumbass senior NCO somehow didn't put 2 and 2 together. It rather proved his point that things needed to get fixed. Correctly maintained and repaired water buffalos don't need a rock to keep them from falling on their landing gear assembly.
Skywalkre Posted February 10 Posted February 10 29 minutes ago, DKTanker said: It rather proved his point that things needed to get fixed. Correctly maintained and repaired water buffalos don't need a rock to keep them from falling on their landing gear assembly. Per the bolded bit - no it didn't. Everyone in that formation responsible for that water buffalo was doing what they were supposed to to try and get that thing fixed. The SPC had been submitting the issue ad nauseum for a while. His PSG new about it as well. This was about a year after the US went into Iraq. MLRS battalions sitting in OK probably weren't a priority for parts was what we were being told. The acting 1SG's stunt may have damaged it further. They actually had to drag that SPC out of the formation before he said something (loud enough) that would get himself in trouble with the acting 1SG.
DKTanker Posted February 10 Posted February 10 32 minutes ago, Skywalkre said: Per the bolded bit - no it didn't. Everyone in that formation responsible for that water buffalo was doing what they were supposed to to try and get that thing fixed. The SPC had been submitting the issue ad nauseum for a while. His PSG new about it as well. This was about a year after the US went into Iraq. MLRS battalions sitting in OK probably weren't a priority for parts was what we were being told. The acting 1SG's stunt may have damaged it further. They actually had to drag that SPC out of the formation before he said something (loud enough) that would get himself in trouble with the acting 1SG. So yes, you agree, things needed to be fixed. You've added some context but you haven't disabused the idea that things needed to be fixed. Moreover, I find it interesting that you think a rock holding up that water trailer was the best way for it to have been parked. Huh, maybe folding the lander gear and lowering it to the ground would have been the safer and better option. But that's just me, a dumb ass tanker.
JWB Posted February 10 Posted February 10 54 minutes ago, DKTanker said: Huh, maybe folding the lander gear and lowering it to the ground would have been the safer and better option. Or maybe some body in the chain of command ordered it to stay up? But what do I know. I am just a working stiff that is befuddled by bureaucracy.
JWB Posted February 10 Posted February 10 4 hours ago, Skywalkre said: Medicare waste is nothing new. Waste and fraud is a feature not a bug. The only way to get rid of it is to cancel Medicade and Medicare and instead send the funds to the public hospitals and health clinics. There is no fraud at the public library.
Ivanhoe Posted February 10 Posted February 10 There hasn't been much hoopla about Trump attending the Super Bowl, but in thinking about it, it occurs to me that doing so is kind of an F-U to his violent detractors. So probably a good move, politically.
17thfabn Posted February 10 Posted February 10 10 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said: There hasn't been much hoopla about Trump attending the Super Bowl, From news reports the President got a lot of cheers. A famous singer who is the girl friend of one of the KC players was booed. Philly fans are noted for being pretty rough so it is thought the boos were indirectly aimed at the KC player.
Ivanhoe Posted February 10 Posted February 10 Eagles fans boo everything, so no surprise there. CBS polls are looking good for Trump;
Skywalkre Posted February 10 Posted February 10 4 hours ago, DKTanker said: So yes, you agree, things needed to be fixed. You've added some context but you haven't disabused the idea that things needed to be fixed. Moreover, I find it interesting that you think a rock holding up that water trailer was the best way for it to have been parked. Huh, maybe folding the lander gear and lowering it to the ground would have been the safer and better option. I never questioned that it didn't need to be fixed. I was merely pointing out the acting 1SG thought he was some badass and in the end may have actually caused further harm because he didn't have a clue what the situation actually was. That's not an unfair criticism of what Elon is doing (hence the story). As I pointed out with some links further up (which I'm sure no one went to) he has some folks he's unfairly criticized who support what he's doing... but they and others (who don't support him) have had to point out he's talking out of his ass with some of his accusations (or support of accusations by retweeting what others have said). Just like that acting 1SG... 4 hours ago, DKTanker said: But that's just me, a dumb ass tanker. I'm in full agreement. Consensus is possible in today's political climate.
Skywalkre Posted February 10 Posted February 10 3 hours ago, JWB said: Waste and fraud is a feature not a bug. The only way to get rid of it is to cancel Medicade and Medicare and instead send the funds to the public hospitals and health clinics. There is no fraud at the public library. You won't necessarily get any disagreement from me with the above. I've been lamenting the upcoming fiscal issues we've been facing for decades on this site. Even in fantasy land where Elon has miraculously discovered all the fraud in just a few days... that $100 billion from Medicare is still just ~5% of the deficit we run every year. You are not, nor have the figures that have been put out at the supposed fraud discovered, going to solve our spending problem through cutting Fed payroll (we talked about this months ago... that figure isn't as high as some imagine) or cutting out all the fraud (if you could even discover it). The only way we solve our issue is by cutting entitlement programs coupled to some tax increases. The latter is DOA and we'll likely actually see some tax cuts coming up. That leaves cutting entitlements... and from recent history, good luck with that.
Ivanhoe Posted February 10 Posted February 10 53 minutes ago, Skywalkre said: Even in fantasy land where Elon has miraculously discovered all the fraud in just a few days... The only resident of that fantasy land is you. Seriously, you're beclowning yourself. It will be a miracle if they find even 50% of the WFA in 4 years. Of course, the Butt-Hurt Brigade will go all menstrual because it's only 50%.
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 10 Posted February 10 Its going to be hilarious when he gets to the Pentagon,demanding full account figures, and runs slap bang into the black projects, and he starts demanding program access. At that point im going to get my popcorn out
Stefan Fredriksson Posted February 10 Posted February 10 10 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Its going to be hilarious when he gets to the Pentagon,demanding full account figures, and runs slap bang into the black projects, and he starts demanding program access. At that point im going to get my popcorn out "Black". Racist! I think the US constitution should be optional. At least side-steppable with an Executive Order. "Oh, this is a big one."
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 10 Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Stefan Fredriksson said: "Black". Racist! I think the US constitution should be optional. At least side-steppable with an Executive Order. "Oh, this is a big one." Off White Project? Non racist epiphet Project? They could make it a 28th Amendment. 'This amendment is initiated when President Trump says 'I think it's a good idea.'
rmgill Posted February 10 Posted February 10 8 hours ago, Skywalkre said: I never questioned that it didn't need to be fixed. I was merely pointing out the acting 1SG thought he was some badass and in the end may have actually caused further harm because he didn't have a clue what the situation actually was. Maybe the 1ST didn't think the water buffalo was a ration heater? 8 hours ago, Skywalkre said: I'm in full agreement. Consensus is possible in today's political climate. NOW you want consensus? What makes you think you deserve consensus and any consideration at this point?
rmgill Posted February 10 Posted February 10 5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Its going to be hilarious when he gets to the Pentagon,demanding full account figures, and runs slap bang into the black projects, and he starts demanding program access. At that point im going to get my popcorn out You DO realize that the president has full classification and declassification authority right? You DO realize that Musk, by virtue of running a company that launches military payloads into space ALREADY has classified clearance right? And they can still take a suitably cleared IT type and have them look at and use the same code that Musk has used to look at the Pentagon Budget to look for the same patterns.
Murph Posted February 10 Posted February 10 43 minutes ago, rmgill said: Maybe the 1ST didn't think the water buffalo was a ration heater? NOW you want consensus? What makes you think you deserve consensus and any consideration at this point? NO, democraps need to feel the consequences of the election, and get told to stuff it. They lost, and as we got told for years, Elections have consequences. Crush them, crush them underfoot.
seahawk Posted February 10 Posted February 10 You have 4 years to make certain that democraps never gain power again. Use them.
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