sunday Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 I find a bit disingenuous to equate a ruling with a negative to consider. But I am no lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, rmgill said: Conversely, what's the awful thing the MAGA types want exactly? To not be Marxists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 4 minutes ago, rmgill said: What's doubly weird is that the Supreme court is the first and last point for states to sue other states. That IS where they'd have standing. Not weird, cowardly. "No standing" is many times an excuse to be a moral coward. Yes, John Roberts, looking at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 He wants his "Legacy" so they refuse to take cases that really need to be looked at. Although I am shocked he voted with the majority on some of the bigger cases before the court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 3 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Still free to do them both though. For now. Actually I assume a burnout on most public streets would get you a ticket and hypothetically having an unconfined fire in public should do the same in most local jurisdictions. Enforcement of course will change from precinct to precinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 3 hours ago, glenn239 said: Good to know. Here, I was wondering whether what you actually were suggesting by talking about the total vote was that because Biden won the popular vote, that a bit of fraud to swing Georgia would just be the system confirming the will of the collective electorate. No, I am merely pointing out it is not especially hard to believe Biden won or that Kamala will win given a Trump deficit of millions of votes. That said, I think currently it would be roughly a coin toss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 9 minutes ago, Josh said: Actually I assume a burnout on most public streets would get you a ticket and hypothetically having an unconfined fire in public should do the same in most local jurisdictions. Enforcement of course will change from precinct to precinct. A year in prison? Not that Id have an issue with jailing people for a year burning the British flag. But then, I keep getting told Britons arent free, so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said: A year in prison? Not that Id have an issue with jailing people for a year burning the British flag. But then, I keep getting told Britons arent free, so.... Trump clearly wants a specific law against flag burning purely because FLAG! Which is silly. In fact I doubt he personally cares one way or the other; he just knows his voting base likely by and large feels that way. It is not a remotely new idea; it pops up in Republican circles every other election or so. I was just pointing out that the two actions in the post on the last page likely are misdemeanors for reasons outside free speech. They would probably not rate an arrest unless the individual in question had other charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Josh said: Actually I assume a burnout on most public streets would get you a ticket and hypothetically having an unconfined fire in public should do the same in most local jurisdictions. Enforcement of course will change from precinct to precinct. If you steal a flag off of a public structure that should also yield a theft of government property and destruction of same. The flag at Union Station is very much that. Doubly, across from where moving Pelosi's podium yielded a felony charge iinm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said: A year in prison? Not that Id have an issue with jailing people for a year burning the British flag. But then, I keep getting told Britons arent free, so.... Does burning a British flag yield the same charge as burning a pride flag? What if you're burning a Palestinian flag? OR burn a Koran that you bought. then burn a bible. Does that yield the same or lack of charges? There's your test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 https://www.dailywire.com/news/heres-where-people-have-been-charged-for-vandalizing-pride-flag-displays-with-tire-marks https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/crime/st-pete-police-pride-street-mural-arrest/67-c45a98e4-496b-484c-a2dd-75b2835e82e8 Quote ST. PETERSBURG, Florida — The truck driver accused of defacing St. Pete's Progressive Pride Flag street mural on Central Avenue and 25th Street in May has been arrested, the St. Petersburg Police Department said in a news release. Antonio Silvestri, 30, is being charged with felony criminal mischief and racing on a street, officers said. Surveillance video taken from Ride-em Cowboy, a nearby country bar, allegedly shows Silvestri in a white truck grinding tire marks into the mural on May 17. This marks the second arrest related to defacing the Pride mural. More footage taken at 3:45 a.m. on May 22 from the bar allegedly shows Christian Maler, 18, doing circular "doughnut-burnouts" in his car on the mural. He was arrested last week and is facing the same charges as Silvestri, St. Pete police said in a separate statement. Not just misdemeanors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 10 minutes ago, Josh said: Trump clearly wants a specific law against flag burning purely because FLAG! Which is silly. It's a repeated issue. It seems to step over a line. If you buy your OWN flag and burn it, go right a head. Do you have a burn permit for your demonstration and burning in effigy? No, then that's the charge. If you're burning a flag you stole, then it's theft and destruction of property. We don't NEED new laws for this. This is my principled and consistent standard that I've had on the subject for decades, even back to when I donated to the ACLU in the mid to late 90s when they had a consistent standard on the 1st amendment. 10 minutes ago, Josh said: In fact I doubt he personally cares one way or the other; he just knows his voting base likely by and large feels that way. It is not a remotely new idea; it pops up in Republican circles every other election or so. Yes. And it pops up in Democrat circles when something THEY want protected is burnt. While at the same time they argue that dissent is patriotic OR if the shoe is on the other foot the height of racism. Lets be clear though, the Democrats ahve a definative pattern of 1st amendment violation on the books and on the record. So, do be careful with that bag of stones and that greenhouse you're sitting in. 10 minutes ago, Josh said: I was just pointing out that the two actions in the post on the last page likely are misdemeanors for reasons outside free speech. They would probably not rate an arrest unless the individual in question had other charges. Not if you steal it from a government building. It should be the same as moving Pelosi's podium which resulted in a prison sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 10 minutes ago, rmgill said: If you steal a flag off of a public structure that should also yield a theft of government property and destruction of same. The flag at Union Station is very much that. Doubly, across from where moving Pelosi's podium yielded a felony charge iinm. Agree, burning someone else’s flag probably involves a couple of additional crimes on top of the uncontrolled fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Lets remember, the left was ok with repeated attempts to burn a court house in Portland with people IN IT for a period of weeks. And that Trump having federal agents track down and arrest the perpetrators outside of/away from the riot, arson, etc was considered to be jack booted thuggery. No dogs were shot. No homes burned down. People snagged on the street in a great example of police work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 13 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said: https://www.dailywire.com/news/heres-where-people-have-been-charged-for-vandalizing-pride-flag-displays-with-tire-marks https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/crime/st-pete-police-pride-street-mural-arrest/67-c45a98e4-496b-484c-a2dd-75b2835e82e8 Not just misdemeanors. It is their religion, and a sacred symbol of death and abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Murph Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 New indictment from the illegal special prosecutor just filed. When will these criminals in the doj go to prison for what they are doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 I feel like there is a rhetorical double standard when any law enforcement problem during a protest is a concerted effort of the left to destroy the rule of law where as January 6th was a spontaneous peaceful protest, and that a certain failed presidential candidate spending tens of millions of dollars organizing it after six months of saying elections are a sham somehow had nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 13 hours ago, rmgill said: Does burning a British flag yield the same charge as burning a pride flag? What if you're burning a Palestinian flag? OR burn a Koran that you bought. then burn a bible. Does that yield the same or lack of charges? There's your test. Apparently not. Bloody well ought to be. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11845899/burning-union-jack-flag-illegal-uk/ I think you would be hard placed to charge someone with burning a Palestinian flag, since it doesnt really exist as a state. It would be rather like burning the flag of the Duchy of Grand Fenwick.I think primarily it would come down to whether its your property or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 9 hours ago, Josh said: I feel like there is a rhetorical double standard when any law enforcement problem during a protest is a concerted effort of the left to destroy the rule of law where as January 6th was a spontaneous peaceful protest, Jan 6th was a riot, not an insurrection. But I see what you did there - by focusing on riot vs peaceful protest, you dodge talking about one exaggeration by talking about another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2024/08/27/200-gop-losers-write-another-one-of-those-election-letters-to-lie-about-trump-and-supporting-kamala-n4932016 Quote Some 200 former aides to those former GOP leaders say they're scandalized by Project 2025 of all things because the ideas on paper "will hurt real, everyday people and weaken our sacred institutions." By sacred institutions, they probably mean the failed Department of Education and National Panhandler Radio, as radio talker Chris Plante calls it. The experts who wrote the Project 2025 plan call for government defunding of both. See my podcast below with the Heritage Foundation and PJ Media's own Kevin Downey Jr. on what Project 2025 is. Having skimmed through some of the Heritage Foundation's PDF on Project 2025, I can comfortably assert that opponents to it are whinging swampers. Quote Under another Trump presidency, these aides and interns warn, "democratic movements will be irreparably jeopardized as Trump and his acolyte JD Vance kowtow to dictators like Vladimir Putin while turning their backs on our allies." Yes, they're going back to the Russia! Russia! Russia! playbook. This is glorious for its total disconnect from reality. First, it was a hoax by Hillary Clinton, actual Russian spies, a washed-up British spy, the CIA, FBI, and political operators over at the Brookings Institution. Secondly, there's this: How many countries did Vladimir Putin invade when Trump was president? Zero. How many countries did he invade under Obama and Biden? More than zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 27 minutes ago, glenn239 said: Jan 6th was a riot, not an insurrection. But I see what you did there - by focusing on riot vs peaceful protest, you dodge talking about one exaggeration by talking about another. Whether it was a riot or an insurrection was purely dependent upon where they were standing. If they were outside, it was a riot. If they were inside, carrying a rope and muttering about lynching Mike Pence, it was clearly an insurrection. The only question left is whether it was one that was directed, or one generated by individuals completely out of all control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 2 hours ago, glenn239 said: Jan 6th was a riot, not an insurrection. But I see what you did there - by focusing on riot vs peaceful protest, you dodge talking about one exaggeration by talking about another. I always refer to it as a riot. The attempt to steal the election involved Pence and the fake electors; the Trump inspired riot was just window dressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 12 hours ago, Josh said: I feel like there is a rhetorical double standard when any law enforcement problem during a protest is a concerted effort of the left to destroy the rule of law where as January 6th was a spontaneous peaceful protest, and that a certain failed presidential candidate spending tens of millions of dollars organizing it after six months of saying elections are a sham somehow had nothing to do with it. We got to be told for years that the WTO/Anti-globalization protests were mostly peaceful. Then you get to describe the January 6th event as a total riot and no peaceful action? Nice double standard. We've had black block doing their thing since 1996's seattle protest and riots. It's kind of a pattern for the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 8 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Apparently not. Bloody well ought to be. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11845899/burning-union-jack-flag-illegal-uk/ I think you would be hard placed to charge someone with burning a Palestinian flag, since it doesnt really exist as a state. It would be rather like burning the flag of the Duchy of Grand Fenwick.I think primarily it would come down to whether its your property or not. Sure are a lot of people waving the flag of Palestine around at your jew and west hating protests. We have em here too. Is sprayng paint on the Cenotaph treated with the same criminality as other actions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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