Because Trump 2.0

[bfng3569]

On 8/2/2024 at 2:59 PM, Josh said:

a lot of white people might not share it, sure. I think the audience reaction made it super clear how well that interview will play in the black community.

 

I do not particularly care, outside the fact I enjoy watching Trump dig himself a hole. I think there absolutely is some truth to the idea Harris selectively pitches herself as either black or Indian depending on the venue or time frame. But that does not change the fact that the black community very likely is not going to have the definition of black read out to them by a senile white guy with a track record of chasing minorities out of his fathers buildings.

Go back one page or so and you will see a much more tactful response that makes the same point without Trump putting his foot in his mouth: ask Joe why she’s his VP when she had almost no support in the primary. That would have been a much more effective response to the legitimate issue.

 

I do not think anyone is noticing that much, at least not anyone who wasn’t already voting for Trump anyway.

I think the criticism of Harris is legit, but the way Trump went about it was a catastrophe. If anything the black community is going to circle the wagons around her now as push back.

again, entirely your opinion.  he dug no holes for himself.

its got just as much of a chance of going either way depending on how people felt prior to the interview.

and more and more of what i keep seeing online are people of color more pissed that she's playing both cards when it fits her situation, the pandering is cutting through.

 

[Josh]

6 hours ago, rmgill said:

Yes. They can swap candidates like changing hats and everyone will or should go along with it. 

You can get rid of your old senile guy too.

[Josh]

2 hours ago, Harold Jones said:

The people who count, the members of the Democratic party, seem down with the swap.  Biden released his delegates to vote as they wished, they did so and Harris won. Again why do give any kind of a fuck about how a party you don't belong to is choosing their candidate?

Every conservative outlet is try to sell this as a “coup” to prepare them for any loss. It is important for there to be a scapegoat ahead of time. So Biden voluntarily backing out is a “coup” while Trump pushing Pence to throw away state’s votes is normal. Of course if Kamala tried to throw away an entire states votes, that would violate the constitution.

Edited August 4 by Josh

[Josh]

1 hour ago, bfng3569 said:

again, entirely your opinion.  he dug no holes for himself.

its got just as much of a chance of going either way depending on how people felt prior to the interview.

and more and more of what i keep seeing online are people of color more pissed that she's playing both cards when it fits her situation, the pandering is cutting through.

 

I do not think it a big stretch to say that interview did not go well with the black community. But we can wait for the post election forensics. Personally I think the combination of Harris’s background and Trumps response to it are why Georgia is back in play.

[bfng3569]

4 hours ago, Josh said:

I do not think it a big stretch to say that interview did not go well with the black community. But we can wait for the post election forensics. Personally I think the combination of Harris’s background and Trumps response to it are why Georgia is back in play.

are you speaking for them?

again, like everything these days, at the moment it only comes down to mainly which side you were on to start with.

[Josh]

44 minutes ago, bfng3569 said:

are you speaking for them?

again, like everything these days, at the moment it only comes down to mainly which side you were on to start with.

I think the gasps in the crowd kinda give a hint. I’m not going to speak for them, but that’s the difference between me and Trump in that interview. I doubt that is well received, but I guess we’ll see.

[Skywalkre]

I've actually seen some reports that Trump was caught off guard because apparently he believes the nonsense he actually spouts about himself.  He was going into that thinking Black Americans loved him and considered him one of the greatest presidents they've ever had.  Then when the questions caught him off guard he responded in the only way he knows how - snarky.

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[Josh]

You have to be quite an asshole to say you’re the best thing since Lincoln for the black community. Right away, ignoring the civil rights movement, you’re saying you are better for black people than a half black president. That seems like a super hard sell from the guy who brought you steak, airline, university, and casino bankruptcies.

[Skywalkre]

I think the incident also highlighted the issues that could arise if Trump wins again.  It's been made painfully clear that if he does win the folks that will surround him will be yes men (hell, that's why he took Vance... a move that almost all political pundits are still scratching their head about).  The POTUS needs people who are willing to tell you how things are, not what you want to hear.  He had that in his last Presidency and that's part of the reason things weren't worse.  Four years of nothing but yes men around him is a terrifying thought.

[Mr King]

6 hours ago, Josh said:

 Biden voluntarily backing out

Biden doesn't even know what day it is. They have to tard wrangle him to keep him from wandering up into random planes. As for the crowd, he would have got the same reacting from a crowd of white lefties. Last I checked there was a far bigger spectrum than just white and black lefties and the black community is not monolithic.  Am I going to hold my breath for blacks to change course in big numbers after voting dem for 70 years? No, but I am willing to be surprised.

 

[Josh]

5 minutes ago, Mr King said:

Biden doesn't even know what day it is. They have to tard wrangle him to keep him from wandering up into random planes. As for the crowd, he would have got the same reacting from a crowd of white lefties. Last I checked there was a far bigger spectrum than just white and black lefties and the black community is not monolithic.  Am I going to hold my breath for blacks to change course in big numbers after voting dem for 70 years? No, but I am willing to be surprised.

 

The Dem party can chose it’s candidates anyway it wants. The Republicans can also dump their senile old white guy.

Im not speaking for the black community; I am just estimating that interview did not go well. I highly doubt you are better equipped to make that assessment than I am, but how about we just wait for the polls and make no assumptions and call it a day.

[Mr King]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

The Dem party can chose it’s candidates anyway it wants. The Republicans can also dump their senile old white guy.

What does that have to do with anything I said?

Edited August 5 by Mr King

[Josh]

11 minutes ago, Mr King said:

What does that have to do with anything I said?

You were referring to the previous Dem candidate. Most of what you posted does not apply anymore.

Edited August 5 by Josh

[Mr King]

 

4 minutes ago, Josh said:

You were referring to the previous Dem candidate. Most of what you posted does not apply anymore.

No. You stated Biden voluntarily withdrew from the race. My point was addressing you giving the false pretense that Biden is cognizant of anything he is doing at this point. It's clearly obvious he is not. You're free to support this demented puppet show, but dont blow smoke up the rest of our asses.

[rmgill]

4 hours ago, Mr King said:

What does that have to do with anything I said?

He’s all about the non sequitur. 
 

Has anyone seen the Seymour  Hersch article that Bret and Heather mentioned? 

Edited August 5 by rmgill

[sunday]

42 minutes ago, rmgill said:

He’s all about the non sequitur. 
 

Has anyone seen the Seymour  Hersch article that Bret and Heather mentioned? 

This one?

 

[rmgill]

6 hours ago, sunday said:

This one?

 

That alludes to it. But more specifically the threat of a 25th amendment process leveraged against Biden in effect as blackmail to then allow Harris to step into the role. Bret made the point that that would in fact be a crime. If used as a threat to obtain an in kind arrangement to her direct benefit.  Which I can see the argument as. 
 

[bfng3569]

14 hours ago, Josh said:

I think the gasps in the crowd kinda give a hint. I’m not going to speak for them, but that’s the difference between me and Trump in that interview. I doubt that is well received, but I guess we’ll see.

i heard gasps, i heard laughs.

Also need to look at the audience.... i'm guessing not exactly what one would consider a pro-trump crowd to start with.

[Murph]

That is very true, liberal black journalists (or as I call them propagandists), who hate Trump so bad that if he cured cancer, their headlines would read: Women and Minorities hardest hit.  But I heard some laughs.  The bimbo from ABC was just terrible.  

[Markus Becker]

Questions about Vance. 

Is it true that he is very unpopular in general(as in the general public) and that he scored a PR own goal with some remark about unmarried women? 

 

[rmgill]

Only against anyone grasping for some reason to like Kamala and her lack of policy success on anything. 

[Skywalkre]

8 minutes ago, Markus Becker said:

Questions about Vance. 

Is it true that he is very unpopular in general(as in the general public) and that he scored a PR own goal with some remark about unmarried women?

The way I've heard it worded is no VP pick has been this unpopular this early in the cycle.  It remains to be seen if he remains that way and come election he's up there as most unpopular.  Keep in mind, he was only picked because of unfaltering loyalty to Trump (heaven forbid you get a traitor like Pence again!*).

And, yes, he's made some comments about unmarried women that might have had a sliver of truth to them but in typical R/conservative fashion he took something with some merit and said it poorly.  As such, he's been getting raked over the coals for it.

 

* That was sarcasm, in case some were wondering...

[Ivanhoe]

Another video of the building the shooter shot from, in the minutes before he fired;

Given the local LEOs running around that building, its incomprehensible that the USSS counter-snipers weren't ready to service targets on that roof 60 seconds before.

 

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[sunday]

20 minutes ago, Markus Becker said:

Questions about Vance. 

Is it true that he is very unpopular in general(as in the general public) and that he scored a PR own goal with some remark about unmarried women? 

 

He is a recent Catholic convert, and has appeared in pictures with Prof. Scott Hahn, a quite famous convert from Presbyterianism and popular author of Catholic apologetic books:

He is not the kind of decaffeinated Catholic the Left so loves.

Vance wrote his story of conversion in this article.

[Mr King]

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Representative Raskin reveals that Democrats have a contingency plan in the event of a Trump victory in November - they will invoke Sec. 3 of the 14th Amendment to prevent Trump from taking office. He predicts it will result in a civil war.