Because Trump 2.0

[rmgill]

2 hours ago, Markus Becker said:

The narrow boats and canals were IMO a stroke of genius! 

They utterly revolutionized transportation. A horse could pull a 20 ton boat. What could one pull on a good road? 

 

It was a major boon yes. It's just it was a development step that was sunk costs for not a lot of as much long term gain. Early on it made perfect sense. 

2 hours ago, Markus Becker said:

And boats as well as canals could be built in a pre-ish industrial environment. No steam shovels but digging by hand. Ofc you didn't need to dig wide or deep to outclass roads. Railroads changed everything but they weren't in the radar when the canal building began. 

Exactly. A Leg up. 

 

[Markus Becker]

30 minutes ago, bojan said:

I was on 3-day road trip to the mountains of central Serbia. Did not even turn phone on.

On topic, military acceptance standard is not what guns shoot, it is what maximum allowed dispersion is. Hence if army standard is 4 MoA, some guns might or might not shoot batter (most will do), but no gun should shoot over that.

Miss Understanding at work. A random grunt hitting someone at 450 meters, with a rifle? 

[sunday]

There were even coal mines connected to canals that allowed miners to load directly from the excavating face to the boat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worsley_Navigable_Levels

[rmgill]

Well, if the coal mine is flooding and is at the same grade as the canal system or there are locks, thats super efficient. 

[R011]

4 hours ago, DB said:

Perhaps you could explain why that "quote" from Trump appears to be an image and not a re-tweet.

Show me the original post and I might begin to believe that your posting this is in good faith, and not more bullshit credulous disinformation peddling.

The X post includes a note it's a fake.  I'm not sure what disinformation Stuart is supposed to be postiy there.

[Ivanhoe]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/us/thomas-crooks-trump-rally-shooting-invs/index.html
 

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CNN  — 

In the 48 hours before he opened fire on former President Donald Trump, 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks made a series of stops in and around his suburban Pittsburgh hometown.

On Friday, he went to a shooting range where he was a member, and practiced firing, a law enforcement official told CNN. The next morning, Crooks went to a Home Depot, where he bought a five-foot ladder, and a gun store, where he purchased 50 rounds of ammunition, the official said.

Then, Crooks drove his Hyundai Sonata about an hour north, joining thousands of people from around the region who flocked to Trump’s rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. He parked the car outside the rally, with an improvised explosive device hidden in the trunk that was wired to a transmitter he carried, the official said. Then, investigators believe, he used his newly-bought ladder to scale a nearby building, and opened fire on the former president.

 

Still, more questions than answers. Investigators believe he used his newly-bought ladder to scale a nearby building?

Maybe if they hadn't hosed the roof off immediately after, they might have nailed down the sequence of events.

TBH, I'm also scratching my head about the ammo. Buying the ammo the day of seems like poor planning. And I can't imagine he thought he was going to crank off 50 rounds without becoming an ex-parrot.

And if he drove his Hyundai Sonata to Butler, why all the drama concerning the van?

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

5 hours ago, R011 said:

The X post includes a note it's a fake.  I'm not sure what disinformation Stuart is supposed to be postiy there.

It clearly is a fake, so much so I dont believe it can be considered disinformation. I just found it amusing, because its one of the few parody's that come so close to modelling Trumps way of speaking.

Its telling perhaps that when people post Biden parodies, everyone laughs. When someone posts a Trump parody, the wagons are circles, the pitchforks are grabbed, and everyone uses the word 'disinformation'.  What are people scared of, that people will think he is an idiot? I do anyway, its not like that is going to disusade anyone from voting for him.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

11 hours ago, DB said:

Perhaps you could explain why that "quote" from Trump appears to be an image and not a re-tweet.

Show me the original post and I might begin to believe that your posting this is in good faith, and not more bullshit credulous disinformation peddling.

Yes, and how very like you to do the thought police thing.

Do you police Biden posts with the same tenacity? No. So get off your high horse for once, and recognise a self evidently obvious joke when one is pushed in front of you.

Edited July 22, 2024 by Stuart Galbraith

[Markus Becker]

9 hours ago, rmgill said:

Well, if the coal mine is flooding and is at the same grade as the canal system or there are locks, thats super efficient. 

Even more so. The boats were pulled by a horse unless the canal ran through a tunnel. The tunnels were made without power tools or high explosives, so they didn't have the towpath. You needed to leg the boats through. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

11 hours ago, sunday said:

There were even coal mines connected to canals that allowed miners to load directly from the excavating face to the boat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worsley_Navigable_Levels

But again, look at the size of the things. the ones used at Worsley IIRC, were little more than lighters. The later canal barges were an improvement, but really not much.

Look at the canal system they have in Hannover, then compare it to the (super extensive) canal system they have in Birmingham. Its easy to see why much of the Central European canal network is in use for trade, and the British one is in use by American tourists.

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-canal-lock-in-hannover-germany-89492767.html

https://www.dreamstime.com/editorial-photo-birmingham-canal-s-dusk-image89812626

[Stuart Galbraith]

14 minutes ago, Markus Becker said:

Even more so. The boats were pulled by a horse unless the canal ran through a tunnel. The tunnels were made without power tools or high explosives, so they didn't have the towpath. You needed to leg the boats through. 

Most tunnels in the UK were drilled by hand, but the holes packed with explosive.

I think the reason they didnt include the towpath was purely cost. they figured someone could leg their way through, so they didnt need need a horse. Thats how capitalism worked in those days. That tehy could have dug a bigger tunnel to take a thames barge or something bigger just didnt occur to them.

[DKTanker]

6 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

Still, more questions than answers. Investigators believe he used his newly-bought ladder to scale a nearby building?

Maybe if they hadn't hosed the roof off immediately after, they might have nailed down the sequence of events.

TBH, I'm also scratching my head about the ammo. Buying the ammo the day of seems like poor planning. And I can't imagine he thought he was going to crank off 50 rounds without becoming an ex-parrot.

And if he drove his Hyundai Sonata to Butler, why all the drama concerning the van?

 

More than a week later and now the feds are just realizing that Crooks used a ladder to gain access to the rooftop?  Something that people were asking about the very day of the shooting.  
All of this is just too convenient by half.  I'm convinced that Crooks had encouragement and help, and more than a little.  At some level it reached into being inside help.  Moreover, I think he thought (was led to believe) he would get away with it.  

By the way, the ladder that was seen propped up against the passageway between the two buildings was quite a bit larger than five feet, closer to a 10 foot ladder.  So many questions, so few answers.

[Stuart Galbraith]

The use of a drone explains how he was able to figure out where there wasnt any security guards, and where to make his approach. Quite innovative really, though I guess if he was that clever, he could have used the drone as the weapon itself and probably survived the experience.

[DKTanker]

9 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

The use of a drone explains how he was able to figure out where there wasnt any security guards, and where to make his approach. Quite innovative really, though I guess if he was that clever, he could have used the drone as the weapon itself and probably survived the experience.

If he was the one using the drone it only gives a snapshot of time, it is not predictive.  For instance, how could he possibly know from a drone overflight that the USSS deemed the rooftop he was going to use was considered too steep to safely position security?  How could a drone overflight predict that there would never be security for the single best place to position an assassin?  For that matter, how could he possibly know he could use a drone, apparently multiple times, without drawing any attention?

Was he really just that lucky?  

• He flew a drone, unmolested, over what is supposed to be a very secure area and drone free
• The USSS for its part would not be using aerial surveillance that day
• He finds the five foot ladder he bought that day wouldn't be needed because there was a 10 foot ladder already in position
• He carried a rifle, from his vehicle and then at least 500 feet / 150+ meters, through a parking lot, with nobody seeing him much less stopping him or questioning his presence.
• The single best position for a rifle armed assassin was left totally unsecure

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

13 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

If he was the one using the drone it only gives a snapshot of time, it is not predictive.  For instance, how could he possibly know from a drone overflight that the USSS deemed the rooftop he was going to use was considered too steep to safely position security?  How could a drone overflight predict that there would never be security for the single best place to position an assassin?  For that matter, how could he possibly know he could use a drone, apparently multiple times, without drawing any attention?

Was he really just that lucky?  

• He flew a drone, unmolested, over what is supposed to be a very secure area and drone free
• The USSS for its part would not be using aerial surveillance that day
• He finds the five foot ladder he bought that day wouldn't be needed because there was a 10 foot ladder already in position
• He carried a rifle, from his vehicle and then at least 500 feet / 150+ meters, through a parking lot, with nobody seeing him much less stopping him or questioning his presence.
• The single best position for a rifle armed assassin was left totally unsecure

 

The reason for luck isnt easy to answer, other than look at Lee Harvey Oswald landing a job by the very procession route, and nobody noticed him smuggling a rifle into work. I dont blame conspiracy theorists finding this unbelievable. But it happened.

Well we dont know when the drone overflight occurred. Was it 2 hours before the speed, 30 minutes, 5 minutes? I find this believable. But similarly to yourself, I I struggle to understand is that the USSS didnt notice the damn thing, or have any technology that could have picked it up. Clearly there was potential here for assassins either to use them or in recce, and they just dont seem to have seen it.

As for the ladder, I odnt think anyone really knows how he got on the roof. Maybe he was just more agile than he looked and shinned up a drainpipe. It doesnt necessarily mean he had help. Its certainly something they need to check out.

Well yes, a great position. So was he book depository. In the end short of putting a USSS member in every window above Deeley Plaza, there wasnt a lot that could be done. I think it was the same here. They had a location that was too wide open. There should be a question of who signed off at the site, and who approved the number of personnel they got.

 

Edited July 22, 2024 by Stuart Galbraith

[rmgill]

It was one building. Not one of hundreds. The apple to barrel of apples comparison is silly. 

[Ivanhoe]

One building at the little industrial company has a higher roof than the others.

One police cadet with a radio atop that roof would have stopped the attempt, had there been proper communications between Butler PD and the USSS.

[Ivanhoe]

I believe the security check station where they were supposed to be "magging" attendees is the line of white tents.

The perimeter defined by the USSS just simply invited a sniper.

 

[rmgill]

If the USSS leadership WANTED Trump assassinated, what would they do for the operation? 

[rmgill]

Matt Taibi on the assassination attempt. 

https://www.racket.news/p/the-slow-motion-assassination

Edited July 22, 2024 by rmgill

[rmgill]

Helps if I post in the correct thread...

Edited July 22, 2024 by rmgill

[Ivanhoe]

I think you mean assassination.

Meanwhile...

https://nypost.com/2024/07/20/us-news/trump-shooter-thomas-crooks-was-not-a-member-of-rifle-team-school-district/
 

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Officials also went on the record to dispel the “painful misconception” that Crooks was bullied while attending the Bethel Park, Pa.-based high school.

The school, however, claimed it had no record of any bullying incidents involving Crooks.

“According to our records, Mr. Crooks excelled academically, regularly attended school, and had no disciplinary incidents, including those related to bullying or threats,” the statement insisted — noting that the district “maintains detailed records, including academic performance, attendance, disciplinary history, and health records” for students.

Bethel Park slammed allegations that Crooks — who graduated in 2022 — ever threatened violence against the school as was previously reported.

“In 2019, there was an unfortunate incident involving threats made by a different student against specific school administrators. That incident was thoroughly investigated and quickly addressed, and the student involved received appropriate discipline” Bethel Park High School explained.

“It had no connection whatsoever to Thomas Crooks.”

 

AIUI, kids who get bullied routinely tend to have a lot of absences. Crooks had almost no absences. So some of his "fellow classmates" seem to be BSing quite a bit.

 

[Stargrunt6]

In light of everything, is there anything more dangerous than an unstable nerd with a grudge?  (I can say "nerd," I have that type of n-word privilege).

Edited July 22, 2024 by Stargrunt6

[Ivanhoe]

https://www.city-journal.org/article/how-the-secret-service-failed

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It’s easy to understand why the public seeks more compelling narratives to explain this shocking event. The facts known so far are hard to accept: a suspicious man was spotted roaming the rally grounds and was reported to authorities, but the event went forward anyway. According to ABC News, a USSS sniper team spied the shooter on a nearby, unprotected rooftop a full 20 minutes before he opened fire. Nonetheless, as the Federalist’s Sean Davis writes, “They kept the rooftop open, watched the shooter, kept Trump on the stage, and didn’t do a damn thing until after he had been shot. And we’re supposed to believe it was an innocent oopsie?”

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A key problem appears to have been poor coordination between Secret Service agents and the local and state police on the scene. A Secret Service advance team walked the fairgrounds with local law enforcement on July 8. The federal agents decided that the group of warehouses to the north of the stage would be covered by local police rather than by the Secret Service. “That created a blind spot,” the New York Times writes, “outside the security perimeter but well within rifle range.” According to ABC and the Washington Post, the Secret Service later asked for a local police cruiser to be stationed by the closest warehouse, but the tiny Butler police department couldn’t fulfill the last-minute request. Such details hint at an ad hoc, haphazard operation.

Bolding mine.

It beggars belief that the USSS, being shorthanded and apparently anti-Trump, put most of its eggs in the local LE basket rather than hand off to state police.

If this "oversight" turns out to be that the PA governor refused to help, there goes his hopes at the DNC convention.

 

[Ivanhoe]

1 hour ago, Stargrunt6 said:

In light of everything, is there anything more dangerous than an unstable nerd with a grudge?  (I can say "nerd," I have that type of n-word privilege).

Yes there is; DEI hires who are overtly partisan.

Though it is worth questioning whether the narrative is supported by any facts. The bullying assertion appears to be a lie, the web search for depression so far doesn't appear to connect to any known psych treatment, much less medication.

When the FBI is involved, the first thing to do is throw away whatever BS narrative the profilers pitch to the newsies. Reference John Allen Muhammad/Lee Boyd Malvo and Wayne Williams, among the 3 of them more than a dozen innocent victims were killed after the Feebies told the country that the killers were angry white males.