Because Trump 2.0

[rmgill]

What are the sacraments? aside from going to the church, they won’t hear confession or do any of the other rites. Isn’t that kicked out? 

[Skywalkre]

39 minutes ago, Rick said:

Romans 3:23-24

That verse is not a blank check to live however you want and still claim to be a Christian.  When a church elder (or Presidential candidate) is on his third wife, with each one being younger and more attractive than the one before, that's not falling short... that's being a hypocrite.

[17thfabn]

7 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

When a church elder (or Presidential candidate) is on his third wife, with each one being younger and more attractive than the one before, that's not falling short... that's being a hypocrite.

I'm not impressed with number 3. She has a serious case of RBF........ Except when she is not with hubby. She tends to smile when he is not around. 

[rmgill]

16 minutes ago, 17thfabn said:

I'm not impressed with number 3. She has a serious case of RBF........ Except when she is not with hubby. She tends to smile when he is not around. 

She’s slavic. They frown a lot. 

[Ssnake]

6 hours ago, rmgill said:

What are the sacraments? aside from going to the church, they won’t hear confession or do any of the other rites. Isn’t that kicked out? 

I find your lack of faith in Wikipedia searches ... disturbing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament#Summary_table

[rmgill]

So you can go in but they don’t give you wine, bread or let you use the food phone. 
 

if you are catholic and you can’t do any of the sacraments , what does it leave you with? 

[Ssnake]

As I'm not of Catholic denomination and don't have plans for divorce, let alone remarriage, I don't really care. If you want to start a theological debate, however, utmost precision in the use of words and the meta concepts behind them is required if you want to come to useful results beyond "I don't like it because it kinda reminds me of something". It's like Walter Sobchak using the most spurious connections to bring up Vietnam.

[Stuart Galbraith]

16 hours ago, rmgill said:

There isn’t any secularism in leftist politics. Its just paganism with a veneer of ‘Teh Science!’. 

Ah, but thats where you are wrong. Leftist politics can, at times, be considerably more non secular than that of the right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Tutu

Im annoyed, but my google fu had temporarily failed me. In the 1950's there was a Bishop, I cant remember if he was of Bath and Wells or maybe even Canterbury, but he was, in most major respects, a communist. In fact he went, so far as I can recall, to suggest that if Jesus was alive and well, he would be a Socialist (based on his overturning of the market in the temple I suppose).

The left, like the right, are far more complicated and with stranger bedfellows than either side ever concede.

[Stuart Galbraith]

16 hours ago, rmgill said:

Just castrate them and perform medical experiments on them that would have had Dr Mengele up on charges 40 years ago. They’ll be fine. 
 

Also, does the COE have a set of verses about drain cleaner and knifings? Or perhaps you’re over simplifying a set of problems too much? 

Id love to know how you do that, do mental backflips and come up with an argument about 180 degrees away from where we started. Its very creative. Completely nonsensical, but creative, and I salute you for it.

 

[sunday]

1 hour ago, rmgill said:

So you can go in but they don’t give you wine, bread or let you use the food phone. 
 

if you are catholic and you can’t do any of the sacraments , what does it leave you with? 

Excommunication is applied to some sins, like abortion, but not automatically to divorce.

The point of divorcees living with a man/woman to whom they are not married is that they are publicly living in a state of sin, thus not in grace, and receiving Holy Communion in that state is a quite grievous sacrilege. There is a reference in 1 Corinthians 11:27-29:

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Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.

 

[seahawk]

1 hour ago, rmgill said:

if you are catholic and you can’t do any of the sacraments , what does it leave you with? 

A sinner, who can only hope for the Lord's forgiveness.

[Rick]

8 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

That verse is not a blank check to live however you want and still claim to be a Christian.  When a church elder (or Presidential candidate) is on his third wife, with each one being younger and more attractive than the one before, that's not falling short... that's being a hypocrite.

You are correct. And, Christians know this. Go deeper and you'll find the sin nature of man and God's plan to redeem us. You have your whole physical life to accept this. 

[sunday]

There is a quite destructive tendency among Christians - to let enemies of Christ dictate how they must behave, while those same enemies do not let Christians to advise in their behaviors.

There is the case of a man that did some good nominating some righteous judges to SCOTUS, judges that ended with the constitutional aberration than was Roe v Wade, thus ending the massacre of tens on millions of unborn babies.

Those in favor of the massacre retort by judging the number of marriages of that man.

Well, perhaps he is not a Saint, but neither was Constantine the Great.

Edited July 30, 2024 by sunday

[Josh]

13 hours ago, rmgill said:

Well Biden gets to wrap himself in the faith while espousing rather diametrically opposed ideas like abortion.

Biden is hardly an outlier in that regard. It turns out a lot of Catholics surprisingly seem pro abortion, and there is a lot evidence most are fine with pre marital sex as well, despite that supposedly not being a thing. One could say Joe is fairly representative. His least catholic trait is probably not drinking.

 

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/12/1244156165/abortion-catholics-pope-francis-church-pew-research

 

13 hours ago, rmgill said:

So, maybe give Trump a little grace. 

One thing to remember is that folks of faith don't have to be perfect to be people of faith. Folks in a church aren't there because they're perfect, they're there because, they're not. 

Trump has given almost no indication he is aware of anything actually in the Bible or religious practices of any flavor. His “Christianity” seems intentionally vague and calculated to pander. It is possible he is a true believer, but as someone confirmed and active up until college I get no indication he is at all familiar with any of the culture despite his Presbyterian upbringing. His most recent and famous interaction with the good book is selling them as a money making scheme.

[Josh]

12 hours ago, rmgill said:

Not allowed, in the Catholic Church. Getting a divorce gets you kicked out of the church if I'm not mistaken. 

Technically yes, practically if you start attending a different church the background check is pretty lose. My brother in law was divorced before he married my sister; the kicked out of the church thing seems a little informal and local to me. I suspect divorce rates among Catholics is only moderately lower than other Christian sects, though I didn’t bother to google that one.

[Josh]

3 hours ago, sunday said:

There is a quite destructive tendency among Christians - to let enemies of Christ dictate how they must behave, while those same enemies do not let Christians to advise in their behaviors.

There is the case of a man that did some good nominating some righteous judges to SCOTUS, judges that ended with the constitutional aberration than was Roe v Wade, thus ending the massacre of tens on millions of unborn babies.

Those in favor of the massacre retort by judging the number of marriages of that man.

Well, perhaps he is not a Saint, but neither was Constantine the Great.

Abortion rates actually increased in 2023 post Dobbs, so I would say his states rights approach achieved little to nothing in absolute terms.

 

I also consider it highly unlikely he personally cares about the issue outside its ability to motivate evangelicals. Trump was pro abortion as recently as the early 2000s IIRC; his “views” on the issue change to fit the situation. Personally I would be shocked if he has not paid for few himself at some point in all his dealings with women who were not his current wife.

Edited July 30, 2024 by Josh

[futon]

Keeping one step ahead wit tat leet roof crawling skillzzzzzzz

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/28/us/politics/trump-shooting-thomas-crooks-secret-service.html

 

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[Ivanhoe]

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

In fact he went, so far as I can recall, to suggest that if Jesus was alive and well, he would be a Socialist (based on his overturning of the market in the temple I suppose).

That used to be a not-uncommon assertion from the American left. They gave up on it about 20 years or so ago.

[Ivanhoe]

So, another weird incident at a Trump event;

https://nypost.com/2024/07/29/us-news/secret-service-delayed-trump-from-taking-stage-at-nashville-conference-after-security-lapse-sources/
 

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The holdup was caused by two individuals who made their way around metal detectors inside the Music City Center where the 2024 bitcoin conference was held shortly after 3:30 p.m., according to law enforcement sources.

The Secret Service said in a statement to The Post Monday night that the two were “credentialed and screened,” but were removed from the premises because they didn’t follow proper entry protocol.

“It was determined that there was no protective interest with these individuals and there was never a threat to the former president,” a Secret Service spokesperson said.

 

Not scary, but kinda weird. Why would an LEO or personal security contractor not follow fairly simple rules at a campaign event?

 

[Murph]

The more that comes out the more I am convinced that it was an inside job.  Trump published this, and a Secret Service Counter sniper sent this email across the Secret Service, and he is predicting another attempt within 30 days:

 

 

 

 

[Skywalkre]

8 hours ago, Rick said:

You are correct. And, Christians know this.

They're not acting like it.  They didn't in the churches I grew up in and we're not seeing that with how so many are viewing/supporting Trump.

[DKTanker]

32 minutes ago, Murph said:

The more that comes out the more I am convinced that it was an inside job.  Trump published this, and a Secret Service Counter sniper sent this email across the Secret Service, and he is predicting another attempt within 30 days:

 

 

 

 

I believe Bongino was referring to this email when he publicly implored his fellow colleagues to give him, Bongino, some credible evidence.  Said the could remain anonymous, but emotional words aren't evidence.

Regarding Rowe's testimony today.  He couldn't have provided more fertile ground for conspiracy theories if he was trying to do so.  Dude couldn't and wouldn't answer any question about accountability, deflecting fault to the local yokels.

[Ivanhoe]

3 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

Regarding Rowe's testimony today.  He couldn't have provided more fertile ground for conspiracy theories if he was trying to do so.  Dude couldn't and wouldn't answer any question about accountability, deflecting fault to the local yokels.

I know I must sounds like a broken record, but the USSS over the years keeps referring to local LE as an integral component of VIP security. Not state/commonwealth.

Makes it all too easy to assign impossible tasks to local LE agencies, and then to scapegoat when things go sideways.

 

[Murph]

9 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

I believe Bongino was referring to this email when he publicly implored his fellow colleagues to give him, Bongino, some credible evidence.  Said the could remain anonymous, but emotional words aren't evidence.

Regarding Rowe's testimony today.  He couldn't have provided more fertile ground for conspiracy theories if he was trying to do so.  Dude couldn't and wouldn't answer any question about accountability, deflecting fault to the local yokels.

Secret Service has already deleted the email.  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/secret-service-deletes-email-counter-sniper-saying-agency/

[Ivanhoe]

It occurs to me that the USSS can't help but turn into an incompetent bureaucracy. They are mostly in DC and spend enormous amounts of time with elected officials.